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chuckv97 - Posted - 03/12/2018:  10:18:41


Oh boy,,yooz guys are too kultcherred for me...

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/12/2018:  12:51:26


I'm as lost as a golfball in the high weeds.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/12/2018:  12:58:17


Forget the intro. pick up your banjo and play the melody part. You will get it from that. This tune is very well known. Listen to the notes, you will get it. You can play it on any crazy instrument and still get it. just play the descending chromatic notes with the few backsteps like i describe and you will get it. You don't even need to know how long to play each note. It's that easy.



*start on the High g on the first string and work your way down on that same string.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/12/2018 13:03:27

puddinfangers - Posted - 03/12/2018:  14:10:09


Is it Entry of the Gladiators?

Mooooo - Posted - 03/12/2018:  14:28:17


A BRAND NEW WINNER FOLKS!!!!

Great answer puddinfangers I will name a star after you as your prize. That shiny one that's out during the daytime!!!

It's your turn to Give us the next description to "Name That Tune"



Here's a link:Entry of the Gladiators


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/12/2018 14:29:56

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/12/2018:  16:16:07


Who the hell is Julius Fuc(i)k anyway? Sounds like an East European import for the Flyers....

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/12/2018:  17:08:18


Meanwhile, another softball:



Major key.  5 5 1 1 2 3 1 3 4 5 5 4 3



Bonus points:  Name the composer.



More bonus points:  Name another composer who has used it.


Edited by - Rawhide Creek on 03/12/2018 17:12:19

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/12/2018:  17:46:22


Fucik J man!



I had no idea what that piece was called, or where it came from. And never heard of that composer either. Far out.


Edited by - FlyinEagle on 03/12/2018 17:47:51

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/12/2018:  18:11:59


<blockquote id="quote">quote: <hr height="1" id="quote" noshade="noshade" /><i>Originally posted by <a href="/myhangout/home.asp?id=93031" ID="newtag-93031">chuckv97</a></i><br /> <p>Who the hell is Julius Fuc(i)k anyway? Sounds like an East European import for the Flyers....</p>

<hr height="1" id="quote" noshade="noshade" /></blockquote><p></p>



Is he a goalie?

puddinfangers - Posted - 03/12/2018:  18:49:38


Simple Gifts by Joseph Brackett,
Appalachian Spring by Aaron Copeland,
Lord of the Dance by Sydney Carter.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  08:45:17


quote:

Originally posted by FlyinEagle

Fucik J man!



I had no idea what that piece was called, or where it came from. And never heard of that composer either. Far out.






Before I looked it up, I didn't know the name of the piece nor the composer. But, I heard the tune a million times. Anyone who sits down and tries it on their instrument can recognize the melody and simply google "Circus Music" to find out the composer and name of this work.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/13/2018 08:47:41

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  08:45:49


quote:

Originally posted by puddinfangers

Simple Gifts by Joseph Brackett,

Appalachian Spring by Aaron Copeland,

Lord of the Dance by Sydney Carter.






By Jove, I think she's got it!!!

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/13/2018:  09:09:34


Neveh hoid o’ dat toon by dat Fuc(i)k guy


Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/13/2018 09:13:13

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  09:54:47


Maybe you've never gone to the circus or ever watched a movie or TV show with a circus in it...but I am guessing if you give the tune another listen, and you have to listen past the intro, you will recognize it. If not, I would ask, which planet do you come from?

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/13/2018:  09:58:16


And @puddinfangers indeed got it!



Your prize:  Free dance lessons at your neighborhood Shaker church.





Here’s one of my favorite renditions:



m.youtube.com/watch?v=fYi9Vr8bHJY

puddinfangers - Posted - 03/13/2018:  10:06:38


Alright, starting a new round. Here is your clue, five notes,

1 1 3 5 5

For anyone who has heard this song, those five notes should be enough.

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/13/2018:  10:12:10


Hmm.  



Bears a suspicious resemblance to the Blue Danube Waltz (Strauss), which appeared earlier in this thread.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/13/2018:  11:08:43


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Maybe you've never gone to the circus or ever watched a movie or TV show with a circus in it...but I am guessing if you give the tune another listen, and you have to listen past the intro, you will recognize it. If not, I would ask, which planet do you come from?






Ur anus

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  11:09:41


Hahahahahaha

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/13/2018:  11:11:06


quote:

Originally posted by puddinfangers



Alright, starting a new round. Here is your clue, five notes,



1 1 3 5 5



For anyone who has heard this song, those five notes should be enough.


 




Folk hymn “Holy, Holy, Holy”

puddinfangers - Posted - 03/13/2018:  11:17:33


Ooops! Should have read through all the previous pages. My mistake, sorry.
Anyways, you got it, so you get a dumptruck load of pennies. And since I have no clue how many dollars are in a dumptruck full of pennies, do you mind taking the time to count them? I’d really like to know how many dollars it adds up to.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/13/2018:  12:17:13


quote:

Originally posted by puddinfangers

Ooops! Should have read through all the previous pages. My mistake, sorry.

Anyways, you got it, so you get a dumptruck load of pennies. And since I have no clue how many dollars are in a dumptruck full of pennies, do you mind taking the time to count them? I’d really like to know how many dollars it adds up to.






You got 2 correct in a row.  You wanna go again?

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 03/13/2018:  12:20:50


I don't blame you for avoiding all the previous pages. Also, don't worry about your "mistake;" just change the answer. 1 1 3 5 5 are also the first notes of the melody of "Whistling Rufus," by Kerry Mills. Different rhythm and different meter, of course, but the pitch relationships are still the same.

This is the main reason why I stopped participating in this. There are simply too many instances where the overly basic clues given can lead to more than one correct answer.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  12:36:15


Why don't you show us the proper way to do it George? We've missed you.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/13/2018:  13:10:24


I don’t think you need to get the clue right to win at this game.

I know for me, theory has never been my strongest area, so I’ve been using this thread to get me to think about it, and learn in the process.

Hopefully discover some new music along the way.

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/13/2018:  14:49:44


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Why don't you show us the proper way to do it George? We've missed you.






That’s a good idea!



I cannot imagine why Whistling Rufus didn’t leap into my mind immediately . . . silly me!



But, out of a random 100 people, I suspect many more have heard (and would recognize) the Blue Danube than Whistling Rufus.



m.youtube.com/watch?v=LjWAyl3JdgM


Edited by - Rawhide Creek on 03/13/2018 14:53:46



 

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/13/2018:  14:58:50


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

quote:

Originally posted by puddinfangers



Alright, starting a new round. Here is your clue, five notes,



1 1 3 5 5



For anyone who has heard this song, those five notes should be enough.


 




Folk hymn “Holy, Holy, Holy”






Chuck, I think that one would be 1 1 3 3 5 5



I’m not sure it’s a “folk hymn”, though; while the tune is well-known (it’s called “Nicaea”), I’m fairly certain it’s attributed to John Dykes, who wrote it to commemorate Trinity Sunday in the Church calendar.  



Of course, if you mean that a lot of folks sing it, then it is indeed a “folk hymn” . . .


Edited by - Rawhide Creek on 03/13/2018 15:01:04

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/13/2018:  15:17:00


Yes Russ..I used the term “folk” to keep in line with my “low-falutin” theme on this august forum.
My guess was another horseshoes pitch, to get close. I knew the number of notes didn’t jive but threw it out there to propel the thread forward. Cheers.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/13/2018:  16:11:58


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Yes Russ..I used the term “folk” to keep in line with my “low-falutin” theme on this august forum.

My guess was another horseshoes pitch, to get close. I knew the number of notes didn’t jive but threw it out there to propel the thread forward. Cheers.






But it's March. 

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  16:29:36


quote:

Originally posted by FlyinEagle

But it's March. 






Chuck is back in Canada, where they are on the Metric Calender up there it is August, from what I understand of the metric system.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/13/2018:  16:33:39


.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  16:35:38


now he's using a metric dictionary

puddinfangers - Posted - 03/13/2018:  19:10:04


I’ve come up with no new puzzles, somebody else can go ahead and start one.

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 03/13/2018:  19:21:34


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Why don't you show us the proper way to do it George? We've missed you.






I am not saying that there is anything really wrong in the basic clues; a person has to give some information, after all, and it might not be very interesting if too much info was given and the answers were made too easy. 



Mostly, I find I have more interesting pursuits than trying to pick out one tune among many, only to find it's a piece that I've spent years trying unsuccessfully to remove from my memory. For example, I've always detested that "dead horse" circus tune that was further beaten earlier in this thread. Of course, some of that is because I've never liked circuses.



 

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/13/2018:  19:46:41


This thread is pure gold.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/13/2018:  20:26:53


My sides r splitting

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/13/2018:  20:32:28


quote:

Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Why don't you show us the proper way to do it George? We've missed you.






I am not saying that there is anything really wrong in the basic clues; a person has to give some information, after all, and it might not be very interesting if too much info was given and the answers were made too easy. 



Mostly, I find I have more interesting pursuits than trying to pick out one tune among many, only to find it's a piece that I've spent years trying unsuccessfully to remove from my memory. For example, I've always detested that "dead horse" circus tune that was further beaten earlier in this thread. Of course, some of that is because I've never liked circuses.



 






Is someone holding a gun to your head, forcing you to post in the thread?



You seem to define a lot of the body of music according to what you don’t like and/or what you dislike about either its intended or ultimate popular use.



For instance, you deprecated Mozart’s “Simple Sonata” as a “potboiler”.  If you use that term in its traditional sense, i.e., a piece that was written to be published for money, or to be performed for money, then you are by extension deprecating a huge volume of music, old and new.  Musicians like to be paid to perform; composers like to be paid to compose.  Teachers of music like to be paid to teach music.  Altruism in art in general, and music in particular, is an expensive proposition today; how much moreso in the 18th Century?



In passing, it is interesting to note that, beyond its date of entry into Mozart’s personal catalog, we really have little direct information about the piece’s provenance.  It’s very much a mystery, although there are scholarly speculations that intrigue which you doubtless would find excruciatingly boring.



We anticipate with bated breath your indubitably supercilious reply . . .



devil


Edited by - Rawhide Creek on 03/13/2018 20:38:11

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  20:36:06


quote:

Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Why don't you show us the proper way to do it George? We've missed you.






I am not saying that there is anything really wrong in the basic clues; a person has to give some information, after all, and it might not be very interesting if too much info was given and the answers were made too easy. 



Mostly, I find I have more interesting pursuits than trying to pick out one tune among many, only to find it's a piece that I've spent years trying unsuccessfully to remove from my memory. For example, I've always detested that "dead horse" circus tune that was further beaten earlier in this thread. Of course, some of that is because I've never liked circuses.



 






How could I ever expect that a tune that I picked out could ever live up to your superior tastes George? And I am sure that you would have told me how to better explain it if you had deemed it worthy of your consideration. A billion apologies your excellency. Please forgive my feeble attempts at trying to find a fun way to learn something. 

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/13/2018:  22:32:28


How about one whose melody starts a 5th below the tonic and then hits the 4th of the key and falls down from there through the dominant 7th bebop scale to the b7 below the tonic.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  22:47:27


Is it the star trek theme song?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/13/2018:  23:05:13


"quote"



Originally posted by Mooooo

Is it the star trek theme song?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Far out, your prize is a package of two tribbles, enjoy!



bonus booby prize,

youtube.com/watch?v=l-tAyQAS6JY


Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 03/13/2018 23:08:44

Mooooo - Posted - 03/13/2018:  23:18:14


That Carol Burnett clip was a great one I hadn't seen, very funny. I can't wait for the Tribbles to arrive.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/13/2018 23:18:56

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 03/14/2018:  06:27:49


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Why don't you show us the proper way to do it George? We've missed you.






I am not saying that there is anything really wrong in the basic clues; a person has to give some information, after all, and it might not be very interesting if too much info was given and the answers were made too easy. 



Mostly, I find I have more interesting pursuits than trying to pick out one tune among many, only to find it's a piece that I've spent years trying unsuccessfully to remove from my memory. For example, I've always detested that "dead horse" circus tune that was further beaten earlier in this thread. Of course, some of that is because I've never liked circuses.



 






How could I ever expect that a tune that I picked out could ever live up to your superior tastes George? And I am sure that you would have told me how to better explain it if you had deemed it worthy of your consideration. A billion apologies your excellency. Please forgive my feeble attempts at trying to find a fun way to learn something. 






I don't think your sarcasm is going to help win friends. Just because I may not like a tune is no reason to be so critical of my tastes, and I do not believe I have complained about what others should or shouldn't be listening to. It happens to be my right, as it is anybody's, to form opinions about what music I wish to pay attention to, and I am only citing what I don't like, as others have also done. I do not accept your "billion apologies," for the obvious reason that with so many, not very many could possibly be sincere.



I have clearly stated my reasons for my own non-participation. I have not once said that others shouldn't continue to be interested. As I said, I feel I have better things to do. I hope that you and others are learning from these exercises. I am not. It's as simple as that.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/14/2018:  06:59:37


.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/14/2018:  09:04:02


quote:

Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

I don't think your sarcasm is going to help win friends. Just because I may not like a tune is no reason to be so critical of my tastes, and I do not believe I have complained about what others should or shouldn't be listening to. It happens to be my right, as it is anybody's, to form opinions about what music I wish to pay attention to, and I am only citing what I don't like, as others have also done. I do not accept your "billion apologies," for the obvious reason that with so many, not very many could possibly be sincere.



I have clearly stated my reasons for my own non-participation. I have not once said that others shouldn't continue to be interested. As I said, I feel I have better things to do. I hope that you and others are learning from these exercises. I am not. It's as simple as that.






      You are missing the entire point here George. It's not about anyone's opinion of any song or tune, it's about explaining a piece of music so that others can figure out how it goes. But every time you can't figure out what that piece of music is, you come up with some excuse why you can't do it. And all of these reasons so far have been....either that I didn't explain it well enough for you or things like " I've always considered this particular movement of this particular sonata to be a bit of a pot boiler, not one of Mozart's greats, and I avoid it whenever possible" or "Well, Mike, I looked this over and it's one I haven't heard (unless, perhaps, you've mis-remembered it slightly)." or "I must admit to not caring a lot for J.S, although I do find some of his stuff more interesting than any of his offspring's compositions." or  " I've always detested that "dead horse" circus tune that was further beaten earlier in this thread."



     Maybe instead of pointing your finger outwards when giving us reasons you can't figure out different pieces of music when others clearly can do it, you can try to see where the problem really lies. 



     Additionally, I wasn't being critical of your tastes. I couldn't care less who you listen to or not. The point is to read the clues and try to figure out songs. Not to tell us that you don't like this one or that one. Either play along, or don't. 

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 03/14/2018:  09:04:44


quote:

Originally posted by Rawhide Creek

quote:

Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Why don't you show us the proper way to do it George? We've missed you.






I am not saying that there is anything really wrong in the basic clues; a person has to give some information, after all, and it might not be very interesting if too much info was given and the answers were made too easy. 



Mostly, I find I have more interesting pursuits than trying to pick out one tune among many, only to find it's a piece that I've spent years trying unsuccessfully to remove from my memory. For example, I've always detested that "dead horse" circus tune that was further beaten earlier in this thread. Of course, some of that is because I've never liked circuses.



 






Is someone holding a gun to your head, forcing you to post in the thread?



You seem to define a lot of the body of music according to what you don’t like and/or what you dislike about either its intended or ultimate popular use.



For instance, you deprecated Mozart’s “Simple Sonata” as a “potboiler”.  If you use that term in its traditional sense, i.e., a piece that was written to be published for money, or to be performed for money, then you are by extension deprecating a huge volume of music, old and new.  Musicians like to be paid to perform; composers like to be paid to compose.  Teachers of music like to be paid to teach music.  Altruism in art in general, and music in particular, is an expensive proposition today; how much moreso in the 18th Century?



In passing, it is interesting to note that, beyond its date of entry into Mozart’s personal catalog, we really have little direct information about the piece’s provenance.  It’s very much a mystery, although there are scholarly speculations that intrigue which you doubtless would find excruciatingly boring.



We anticipate with bated breath your indubitably supercilious reply . . .



devil






Question: Aren't your assumptions about my likes and dislikes, and what I base them on a bit "supercilious?" You do not really know for sure how I think now, do you?



And even if these assumptions were true, which they aren't in most cases, there's the part where you assume that I'd find certain speculations boring. That is not merely supercilious, it's an attack upon my own private thoughts and a bit insulting and provocative.



As far as "potboilers" are concerned, perhaps your dictionary doesn't precede "for money" with "inferior work," as my dictionary does. I have always felt that the Mozart in question was not one of his best; hence the term used. Most of his works I find highly sophisticated and very musical; this one isn't, at least to me, and to some other people I know.



As far as guns to my head are concerned, I will only say that there are indeed a few; they are figural guns, to be sure, but a host of baseless and sarcastic insults to my thought processes do, in fact, need to be addressed. Otherwise, I'd just go my own way. Maybe I don't like this or that; maybe others don't like this or that. Why is it so important to others that I reject a couple of pieces that they don't reject? I'm sure that should I place a few clues for a musical composition, others would have similar reactions and may say so. I would also assume it as their right to do so.



You speak of my definitions as being corrupted by my take on their use, rather than any musical aspects. However, I think it would be difficult for anyone to do otherwise to a certain extent; yourself perhaps included. I know of too many people who wouldn't listen to Mozart or Bach simply because they consider it "too stuck up," and there are those who denigrate bluegrass because it's "lowbrow." I also know of people who've heard the same piece so many times that they've gotten sick of it. There are also those who regard a tune with the added emotion of hearing it at a defining moment in their lives, such as falling in love.



I have mostly left this thread alone, although I have followed it some, just to see what's being posted. I have avoided, for the most part, placing clues or guessing at what's been placed by others. My latest comment was only to hint at what might be an issue; i.e., that certain clues can lead to more than one correct answer. I was invited back to explain what I would do differently, but roundly condemned for my honest response and now have had to respond to that. I don't call a defense a "supercilious" reaction.. 

Mooooo - Posted - 03/14/2018:  09:09:02


You were invited back to give a clue and introduce us to a new song. So let's get on with it.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/14/2018 09:10:12

rfink1913 - Posted - 03/14/2018:  10:41:51


OK, I've got a good one. It may not work on banjo, but I trust there are a few guitar players on this forum as well.

Finger the following chord (standard tuning):

o
– – – – – –
– – – – – –
– – – – – –
– – – – – –
– – – – x –
– – x – – –
– x – x – –
– – – – – –

(Yes, the 6th string is open; you can mute the 1st string if you like.)

Play 32 palm-muted downstrokes, sharply accenting the 10th, the 12th, the 18th, the 21st, the 25th, and the 30th.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/14/2018:  10:54:51


That's a good one. Is the rhythm steady, are the notes all the same duration? Sounds like Heavy Metal


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/14/2018 10:57:35

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/14/2018:  11:07:22


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