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Mooooo - Posted - 03/18/2018:  16:26:14


I added a list of tunes we already guessed or tried to guess and the winners under the list of vague rules in the original post.

rfink1913 - Posted - 03/18/2018:  21:35:26


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

I am really going to love my Car-ish prize...I had a Subaru when I was a young punk and enjoyed getting around in it. I put in a new stereo (with a cassette deck) and speakers.



Before I put out another question (which will also be a classic country hit) I think we should return to Russ' topic which I will repeat:



"Technically in a minor key but doesn’t sound like it. (Extra credit: Why not?)

6 3 6 | 5 6 7 6 | 5 6 7 3 4 5 | 6 3 | . . .

No accidentals."




time to get back to scratching our heads and squinting our eyes






Is that Schubert's "Unfinished" Symphony, 2nd movement? (But that's not even technically in a minor key, is it...)

rfink1913 - Posted - 03/18/2018:  22:12:25


quote:

Originally posted by rfink1913

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

I am really going to love my Car-ish prize...I had a Subaru when I was a young punk and enjoyed getting around in it. I put in a new stereo (with a cassette deck) and speakers.



Before I put out another question (which will also be a classic country hit) I think we should return to Russ' topic which I will repeat:



"Technically in a minor key but doesn’t sound like it. (Extra credit: Why not?)

6 3 6 | 5 6 7 6 | 5 6 7 3 4 5 | 6 3 | . . .

No accidentals."




time to get back to scratching our heads and squinting our eyes






Is that Schubert's "Unfinished" Symphony, 2nd movement? (But that's not even technically in a minor key, is it...)






oops, I meant first movement, second theme...

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  09:13:07


quote:Originally posted by rfink1913



quote:Originally posted by rfink1913quote:



Originally posted by Mooooo



I am really going to love my Car-ish prize...I had a Subaru when I was a young punk and enjoyed getting around in it. I put in a new stereo (with a cassette deck) and speakers.



Before I put out another question (which will also be a classic country hit) I think we should return to Russ' topic which I will repeat:



"Technically in a minor key but doesn’t sound like it. (Extra credit: Why not?)

6 3 6 | 5 6 7 6 | 5 6 7 3 4 5 | 6 3 | . . .

No accidentals."



time to get back to scratching our heads and squinting our eyesIs that Schubert's "Unfinished" Symphony, 2nd movement? (But that's not even technically in a minor key, is it...)



"oops, I meant first movement, second theme..."



I wonder if that is the piece that Rawhide Creek was referring to.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/19/2018 09:16:12

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  09:46:11


Yes, fcol!.,,we need more accurate cloos (although I hesitate to question Russ on this spring forum) , Cinci Rick’s on the BB song was also slightly inaccurate,wadr.
So let’s pull up our socks, tighten our belts, leave the galpal alone ,and GET THE LEAD OUT!

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  09:51:40


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Yes, fcol!.,,we need more accurate cloos (although I hesitate to question Russ on this spring forum) , Cinci Rick’s on the BB song was also slightly inaccurate,wadr.

So let’s pull up our socks, tighten our belts, leave the galpal alone ,and GET THE LEAD OUT!






Did your metric calendar just switch back from daylight savings time and change this August forum to a Spring forum? 

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  10:06:42


U r a wise Seoul, Mike

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/19/2018:  10:35:52


quote:

Originally posted by rfink1913

quote:

Originally posted by rfink1913

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

I am really going to love my Car-ish prize...I had a Subaru when I was a young punk and enjoyed getting around in it. I put in a new stereo (with a cassette deck) and speakers.



Before I put out another question (which will also be a classic country hit) I think we should return to Russ' topic which I will repeat:



"Technically in a minor key but doesn’t sound like it. (Extra credit: Why not?)

6 3 6 | 5 6 7 6 | 5 6 7 3 4 5 | 6 3 | . . .

No accidentals."




time to get back to scratching our heads and squinting our eyes






Is that Schubert's "Unfinished" Symphony, 2nd movement? (But that's not even technically in a minor key, is it...)






oops, I meant first movement, second theme...






Robert, you got it:  Subordinate theme in the relative major; in the exposition, first movement, Schubert’s 8th symphony, a.k.a. “Unfinished”, in B minor.  (D is the relative major.)



Your prize is the dinner of your choice at an unfinished restaurant!



 


Edited by - Rawhide Creek on 03/19/2018 10:37:34

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  10:46:39


Sounds like half-as*d plan to me.....

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  10:49:46


If he leaves his entree unfinished can he still have dessert?

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  10:55:54


a half moon pie?  Only in Quebec, you say?............pity


Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/19/2018 10:57:45

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:07:06


The recent classical clues have been catered to the discerning tastes of the sophisticates seated in the opera boxes.



Maybe a clue for all of us unwashed masses up here in the amphitheater seating can help the thread along.



Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:22:13


Well, shuckydarn, Jeff, I would have used a clue from the “Unbegun Symphony” but I wasn’t sure where it would all end . . .



m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLDzeGvzK4s



(You’ll likely recognize some thematic elements.)

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:23:34


I say wait until 1 hour after (12 mins from now) the correct answer was verified and if the winner doesn't step up then he can have his excellent prize but the next question should be fair game. Everyone agree? A quorum on this vote is at least one agreeing reply. If so, I will change the rules.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/19/2018 11:27:14

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:28:41


If it ain’t broke, don’t give it money.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:40:23


I was just trying to move it along Russ, as you may have noticed that in the past when the natives got restless, we would post new topics out of turn, I was just going to make a de facto rule into a de jure one.

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:46:16


Ah.  I misunderstood your proposition.  Okay, but I’d give the successful respondent more than just an hour—

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:51:42


I don’t git da Latin, Mooooo

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:53:34


quote:

Originally posted by Rawhide Creek

Ah.  I misunderstood your proposition.  Okay, but I’d give the successful respondent more than just an hour—






How long do you suggest Russ?

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:55:01


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

I don’t git da Latin, Mooooo






Legal English: “De Facto/De Jure” ... De facto means a state of affairs that is true in fact, but that is not officially sanctioned. In contrast, de jure means a state of affairs that is in accordance with law (i.e. that is officially sanctioned)

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/19/2018:  11:59:23


quote:

Originally posted by Rawhide Creek

Well, shuckydarn, Jeff, I would have used a clue from the “Unbegun Symphony” but I wasn’t sure where it would all end . . .



m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLDzeGvzK4s



(You’ll likely recognize some thematic elements.)






Well, this is a lot less dissonant a Stravinsky ballet…

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/19/2018:  12:06:11


I agree, 1 hour is too short. 2 maybe 3.

I hesitate to even guess at these unless I have one queued up.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  12:10:38


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

I don’t git da Latin, Mooooo






Legal English: “De Facto/De Jure” ... De facto means a state of affairs that is true in fact, but that is not officially sanctioned. In contrast, de jure means a state of affairs that is in accordance with law (i.e. that is officially sanctioned)






OK, thnx for that education,,but who on this march (2/4 time?) forum does the sanctioning?  i e..who is the grand poobah?

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  12:13:36


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

I don’t git da Latin, Mooooo






Legal English: “De Facto/De Jure” ... De facto means a state of affairs that is true in fact, but that is not officially sanctioned. In contrast, de jure means a state of affairs that is in accordance with law (i.e. that is officially sanctioned)






OK, thnx for that education,,but who on this march (2/4 time?) forum does the sanctioning?  i e..who is the grand poobah?






Respect my authoritah! I am the only one who can change the OP, but I will graciously take advice from the Hoi Polloi, the peanut gallery.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  12:15:21


quote:

Originally posted by FlyinEagle

I agree, 1 hour is too short. 2 maybe 3.



I hesitate to even guess at these unless I have one queued up.






(sometimes it's better to just go ahead and pose a new topic without permission, until we come up with a consensus)



Maybe we can just try 2 hours (20 mins from now) to see how it goes.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/19/2018 12:17:43

rfink1913 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  12:18:22


<blockquote id="quote">quote: <hr height="1" id="quote" noshade="noshade" /><i>Originally posted by <a href="/myhangout/home.asp?id=113457" ID="newtag-113457">Mooooo</a></i><br /><p>I say wait until 1 hour after (12 mins from now) the correct answer was verified and if the winner doesn't step up then he can have his excellent prize but the next question should be fair game. Everyone agree? A quorum on this vote is at least one agreeing reply. If so, I will change the rules.</p>



<hr height="1" id="quote" noshade="noshade" /></blockquote><p></p>



 



I'm fine with that -- I can't keep up with y'all anyway

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  12:22:47


Very gracious of you rfink1913, feel free to slip one in there whenever you feel you have time.

New topic up for grabs


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/19/2018 12:27:45

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/19/2018:  12:55:33


Since this is a march forum now…



The 2nd strain (main theme) of this march, written in F major, begins a 2nd above the tonic, jumps down to a second below the tonic, then moves back up chromatically to starting note. From there the melody leaps up to the 7th above the tonic, which is repeated 5 times with a marchy bounce.



The pattern then repeats itself, but the 2nd time around the high note is one whole step higher than the 1st time around.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  13:06:54


FlyinEagle it would be nice to know where that starting note is.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/19/2018 13:08:14

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/19/2018:  13:16:05


The 1st degree of the scale is f, so the 1st note of my puzzle is g.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/19/2018:  13:20:39


quote:

Originally posted by FlyinEagle

The 1st degree of the scale is f, so the 1st note of my puzzle is g.






OK gotcha, I got a little confused by my own stupidity. sorry

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  14:28:18


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by FlyinEagle

The 1st degree of the scale is f, so the 1st note of my puzzle is g.




OK gotcha, I got a little confused by my own stupidity. sorry






youtu.be/iNPiql-pnLc

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  14:44:24


JPS?

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  15:00:47


fcol,, not JSB, but JPSousa!

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/19/2018:  15:16:52


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

fcol,, not JSB, but JPSousa!






Yup 

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  16:16:33


For my Philly friend ...
youtu.be/ov1kjVvYpWk

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/19/2018:  16:54:01


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

For my Philly friend ...

youtu.be/ov1kjVvYpWk






We have a winner here folks. 



Congratulations Chuck, the hockey team of your choice may advance to the Stanley Cup finals, where the classic country star of your choice, dead or alive, will perform private pre-game shows for you and your invited guests before each game.



Enjoy.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  17:12:24


Wowsers! I’m over the (blue) moon (of KY)


Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/19/2018 17:24:30

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/19/2018:  17:13:21


Yooz guys and gals carry on,,play with/amongst ur selves. ...I am busy now

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/19/2018:  17:18:31


I was hoping it would be the “January February March” by the late Don Gillis, but the clue didn’t fit.



m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6VHBIgCa8

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/19/2018:  17:49:22


Okay, gang, one good march deserves another.



Written in 1951, it is a march in 4/4 and F minor.  The word “march” does not appear in the title, but it is a march:



. . . 5  5   |   1  1   |   3  1  1  1   |   3  5  4  3   |   5  5  5   |   1  7   |   5  6  7  3  3   |   6  5  4   |   2 . . .   



N. B.  This is the actual tune of the march, not the fanfare which precedes it.


Edited by - Rawhide Creek on 03/19/2018 17:55:47

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/20/2018:  11:05:05


Okay—a couple of hints:



1.  The 5-4-3 in the third full bar is a hemiola, i.e., a triplet played against two beats in the accompaniment.



2.  The tonic (1) in the fifth full bar is an octave above those in the first and second bars.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/20/2018:  11:31:39


What genre of tune is this?

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/20/2018:  15:18:06


Well, it’s been played by the Boston Pops.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/20/2018:  15:30:25


Leroy Anderson?

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/20/2018:  17:00:32


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Leroy Anderson?






Yep.  One of the 79 (at least) composers who have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.



But can you name it?  (He wrote a few other marches, too.)


Edited by - Rawhide Creek on 03/20/2018 17:01:26

Mooooo - Posted - 03/20/2018:  18:21:31


I have never heard the tune but without even listening to it, I found in a google search a tune that I think is a good contender. I will offer my guess and then listen. Is it the appropriately named piece: The First Day of Spring?

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/20/2018:  18:32:14


Nope.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/20/2018:  19:03:53


The Phantom Regiment
youtube.com/watch?v=B7kC-kPcWF8

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/20/2018:  19:04:44


I thought it bore a resemblance to the irish washerwoman, which Anderson included in his Irish Suite, but idunno...



Well, I was way off...


Edited by - FlyinEagle on 03/20/2018 19:06:33

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