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Mooooo - Posted - 04/17/2018:  17:02:30


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

 



 



quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

So a little research shows that in 1961 The Beatles recorded with Tony Sheridan for the first time in Hamburg (my favorite city named after food). Are we in agreement?


 




 



 






 Sorry for the confusion.I'm saying their first parlophone record with love me do etc. Abbey Rd., Studios 1962

 






wait until you can read your entire post without code before you post it.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/17/2018:  20:41:18


hint: it's an instrumental

Mooooo - Posted - 04/17/2018:  21:07:33


Dick Dale - Misirlou?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/17/2018:  21:32:25


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Dick Dale - Misirlou?






for lurkers:



correct year, 1962



not 12 bar blues en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-bar_blues



wrong scale en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misirlou



hint: the lydian note #4 glisses to the 5 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glissando


Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 04/17/2018 21:33:22

Mooooo - Posted - 04/17/2018:  21:41:27


Nice, I love all the theory Rick.

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/17/2018:  22:09:43


12 Bar Original

youtu.be/9m84toiWRTI

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/17/2018:  22:36:25


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

12 Bar Original



youtu.be/9m84toiWRTI






Chuck you've led me to a Beatles CAT scan smileyyoutube.com/watch?v=RSPChB3H-MA


Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 04/17/2018 22:46:23

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/17/2018:  22:42:25


Huh??

Mooooo - Posted - 04/17/2018:  22:47:04


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

12 Bar Original



youtu.be/9m84toiWRTI






I hear this happen all the time when someone at the jam says "let's start out with some Blues and just see where it goes"...inevitably, it goes nowhere.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/17/2018:  22:47:22


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Huh??






added visible link

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/17/2018:  22:49:05


Dubbel “Huh?”

Mooooo - Posted - 04/17/2018:  22:52:29


wha wha wha whaaaat???

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/17/2018:  22:55:39


click link after the happy face youtube.com/watch?v=RSPChB3H-MA

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/17/2018:  23:00:08


I must be losing my friggin’ mind

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/17/2018:  23:10:21


a CAT scan machine forms a full three-dimensional computer model of a patient's insides. Doctors can even examine the body one narrow slice at a time as in the Beatles video one slice at a time.

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/17/2018:  23:27:46


wut happy face?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/18/2018:  06:59:16


Hint: backup is 1 1 b3 3 in straight eighths

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/18/2018:  11:47:18


final hint: 1 35 8 10 9 8 6 #4 5

Mooooo - Posted - 04/19/2018:  10:39:39


nope...still not ringing a bell

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/19/2018:  14:15:35


5th Annual Grammy Awards
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Annu...my_Awards

Mooooo - Posted - 04/19/2018:  14:30:17


Interesting to see that that Year Vaughn Meader won a Grammy that year.

Mooooo - Posted - 04/19/2018:  16:08:29


When you said the backup was 1 1 b3 3, i THOUGHT OF mANCINI....sorry, I thought maybe Peter Gunn Theme, but I realized that wasn't It, but I thought about A Shot in The Dark and Pink Panther. I would never have guessed Baby Elephant Walk, because I never knew the name. Here's the tune and the score all in one: Baby Elephant Walk by Henry Mancini



Great tune.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/19/2018:  16:56:52


Mike you are the BIG winner of lifetime tickets the Greatest Show On Earth. I wish I'd given them to you a long time ago, here's some of what you missed.
ringling.com/timeline.html

BTW I prefer the original
youtube.com/watch?v=b1z4JfxFb6c

Mooooo - Posted - 04/19/2018:  17:59:51


Awesome Rick, just about the only thing I like more than the circus is....everything else. I can't wait not to go to the BB Circus!!!

I like that tune you picked, while searching for the tune you were describing, I checked out this tune which, to me seems in a similar category of songs. Here's a link: Alley Cat - I imagine lazy people dancing to this and Baby Elephant Walk.

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/24/2018:  10:33:49


eye hav wun..... the first two lines in this song have the following chords :

the V chord of in key of natural dm ...,, the lV chord of G....,, the V/V chord of E flat..,, the IV chord of the key of melodic am...,, Aeolian tonic of A...,, the Vll of the natural minor of d...,, the V chord of key of AM

Mooooo - Posted - 04/24/2018:  10:39:36


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

eye hav wun..... the first two lines in this song have the following chords :



the V chord of in key of natural dm ...,, the lV chord of G....,, the V/V chord of E flat..,, the IV chord of the key of melodic am...,, Aeolian tonic of A...,, the Vll of the natural minor of d...,, the V chord of key of AM






I love this one...lots of clues and a lot of things to learn if you don't know this stuff.

Mooooo - Posted - 04/24/2018:  14:27:06


chuckv97, I notice you are using the capital Roman numerals which would indicate major chords but you are describing them as chord degrees of different types of scales and modes. Should we assume that V means whichever 5 chord is associated with the indicated scale or mode and not assume a Major chord?

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/24/2018:  19:35:39


yes,Mike....i didnt bother to go lower case ,,sorry,,,i put them all in capitals. hope you can figure it out,,that its not too confusing.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/24/2018:  22:05:45


House of the Rising Sun

Mooooo - Posted - 04/25/2018:  07:46:14


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

eye hav wun..... the first two lines in this song have the following chords :



the V chord of in key of natural dm ...,, the lV chord of G....,, the V/V chord of E flat..,, the IV chord of the key of melodic am...,, Aeolian tonic of A...,, the Vll of the natural minor of d...,, the V chord of key of AM






Let's figure out the scales:



The v chord in the key of Natural Dm (D, E, F, G, A, Bb, and C) is made of the notes from the 5th, 7th and 9th(2nd) notes of that scale which are: A, C and E making an Am chord.



The iv chord of the G scale (G, A, B, C, D, E, F#) is made of the 4th, 6th and 8th(1st) notes of that scale which are: C, E, and G making a C chord. 



The V/V chord of E flat(Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C, D) is a bit tougher but just count the notes 5 at a time...the V of Eb is: Bb and the V of Bb (Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G, A) just count up 5 notes to F - the notes of F are: F, A, and C (5, 7, 2 notes)



The iv chord of A Melodic Minor (A, B, C, D, E, F#, G#) is made up of the 4th, 6th and 8th(1st) notes of that scale which are D, F# and A making a D Chord.



The Aeolian Tonic of A is: A Aeolian Mode = A, B, C, D, E, F, G = Am scale Tonic chord = the i chord which is the 1st, 3rd and 5th notes which are A, C, and E again, making an Am chord.



The VII of the Natural Minor of D or Dm scale (D, E, F, G, A, Bb, C) is made up of the 7th, 9th(2nd) and 11th(4th) notes of that scale which are: C, E, and G which make up a C chord.



Maybe people can extrapolate the last chord.


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/25/2018 07:48:00

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/25/2018:  07:55:02


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Awesome Rick, just about the only thing I like more than the circus is....everything else. I can't wait not to go to the BB Circus!!!

I like that tune you picked, while searching for the tune you were describing, I checked out this tune which, to me seems in a similar category of songs. Here's a link: Alley Cat - I imagine lazy people dancing to this and Baby Elephant Walk.






You just made me remember that the alley cat actually does have a line dance shuffle bit, and it is probably even lazier than you'd imagine. 



Our elementary school music teacher taught it to us.  I couldn't do the electronic slide if i was offered a million dollars to do it, but i can somehow remember most of the moves of the alley cat dance even though i haven't even thought of it in 30 years...

Mooooo - Posted - 04/25/2018:  07:58:04


quote:

Originally posted by FlyinEagle

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Awesome Rick, just about the only thing I like more than the circus is....everything else. I can't wait not to go to the BB Circus!!!

I like that tune you picked, while searching for the tune you were describing, I checked out this tune which, to me seems in a similar category of songs. Here's a link: Alley Cat - I imagine lazy people dancing to this and Baby Elephant Walk.






You just made me remember that the alley cat actually does have a line dance shuffle bit, and it is probably even lazier than you'd imagine. 



Our elementary school music teacher taught it to us.  I couldn't do the electronic slide if i was offered a million dollars to do it, but i can somehow remember most of the moves of the alley cat dance even though i haven't even thought of it in 30 years...






I recently saw a movie with a scene that included a dance for Alley Cat and the people were so lazy they were hunched half-way over with limp arms....and their faces were the most bored I have seen in a while. It was really funny. I wish I could remember the name of that movie, I bet there is a YouTube of that scene.


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/25/2018 07:59:17

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/25/2018:  08:15:41


Yeah, that sounds right. I mean, one of the moves is literally just tapping your toes.

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/25/2018:  08:20:24


DING,DING<DING ! congrats ,Rick. You will be receiving a coupon for a 15 minute session at the bawdy/body house of your choice. Mike, for your excellent breakdown ,,,hoho,, of the chords, your prize is a 5 minute rendezvous at Flo's Boardinghouse on Downcast St.


Edited by - chuckv97 on 04/25/2018 08:23:13

Mooooo - Posted - 04/25/2018:  09:25:52


I can't find any reference to Flo's Boardinghouse on Downcast St. Sounds like a creepy horror flick Brothel...I'm in!!!

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/25/2018:  18:40:46


O.K. how about an Andalusian cadence song which never goes anywhere else except for four chromatic modulations, four chords, four keys.
Speaking of .......................FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mooooo - Posted - 04/25/2018:  19:24:46


In the Year 2525?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/25/2018:  19:50:35


Yes Mike step into your very own time machine in order to verify the lyrics of this "downer" song which modulates "up" in order to create more suspense.
youtube.com/watch?v=vdSqLfuRN18

Mooooo - Posted - 04/25/2018:  20:05:16


Wow....I am impressed with myself. I had to look up the Andalusian Cadence and learned a thing or two. I like it's alias "Minor Descending Tetrachord." The article also said that it isn't a true cadence because it doesn't occur once when ending a phrase, but instead is an Ostinato because it repeats over and over. The progression is i VII VI V, very common in songs such as: Stray Cat Strut by the Stray Cats and Runaway by Del Shannon.

I can't wait to use the Time Machine to see how the world is in 2525. Will everything I think, do and say come from the pill I took today? Sounds like an fun place.

Mooooo - Posted - 04/26/2018:  06:21:12


Alright, the song I am thinking of starts on the Dominant note of the scale as a lead-in and is repeated like a knock on the door. Three knocks then up to the Tonic and then the Mediant and this cycle is repeated and then walks from the Tonic to the Dominant. Each note repeated on it's way down except the Dominant note which is held. That is the end of the first phrase or line of the song.


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/26/2018 06:26:07

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/26/2018:  09:20:10


La Cucaracha
youtube.com/watch?v=xFFVl3J2iXA

Mooooo - Posted - 04/26/2018:  09:53:29


Ahhhhhh haaaaaa, si Sr. Rick it is Cucaracha, that patriotic song about the exploits of Pancho Villa and Zapata, the stars of the Mexican Revolución. Your premio es una vacaciones to Tijuana Méjico for one year (estimated retail value $57.99). Have fun and don't drink the agua!!!

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/26/2018:  21:50:02


What song has these chords for the verse?
Here they are, they are encrypted, can you break the code?
0 0M7+5 -1 -1m6 0 +27 +2m7 +17 +1+

Mooooo - Posted - 04/27/2018:  09:19:08


I put this information into my Secret Decoder Pin and it came out "Be sure to drink Your Ovaltine"

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/27/2018:  11:39:34


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

I put this information into my Secret Decoder Pin and it came out "Be sure to drink Your Ovaltine"






 It should've said consult the circle of fifths ha ha 

Mooooo - Posted - 04/27/2018:  16:32:22


Using my Co'5 Secret Decoder Chart (which I am sure you also have Rick), I have decoded the chords thusly: The numerals refer to the number of sharps(+) or flats(-) in the keys, and you are using the Major Scale Tonic as a starting point and modifying it with flavors (Major/Minor/Aug) and toppings (Extensions...6,7...). I have the chords but will give others a chance to deduce them. Am I on the right track? Would be hilarious if I was dead wrong.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/27/2018:  17:47:28


Hmm these ( ) are the encoded numbers, the rest are correct as written.

(0) (0)M7+5 (-1) (-1)m6 (0) (+2)7 (+2)m7 (+1)7 (+1)+


BTW this verse is from an 80's country song

Mooooo - Posted - 04/27/2018:  17:58:45


0=the key with no sharps and flats so 0=C and 0M7=Cmaj7, -1=1 flat, +1=1 sharp...etc...is that right?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/27/2018:  18:48:32


O = ground zero (tonic I) which happens to be F in the song in question
the others are ii II IV V

Mooooo - Posted - 04/27/2018:  19:04:13


Wow, I was really off, but pick the chords I came up with they sound really good together:



2/4|:C|Cmaj7aug|F|Fm6|C|D7|Dm7|G7 Gaug:|



kind of sounds like the chorus progression to Fool Hearted Memory By George Strait.


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/27/2018 19:16:36

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