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chuckv97 - Posted - 03/09/2018:  08:37:10


Yeah,, no hi-falutin’ moe-fart stuff, eh?........and don’t call me Chucky!! while yer at it,”GET OFF MY LAWN!!”


Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/09/2018 08:39:40

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/09/2018:  08:50:13


Top 40 60's

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  08:53:01


Chuck, it took me a long time to realize that your name wasn't Chucky97.

p.s. I prefer to guess about the highfalutin stuff, people only seem to give you the chord progresssion with the lowfalutin stuff, and that's no fun.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  09:01:39


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

How about a song who's intro is in a minor mode and switches to the parallel major for the verse and back to the parallel minor for the chorus          repeat......................






I guess a Minor Mode is one where the 3rd note is a minor 3rd interval from the root note, so either Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian, or Lydian. I don't know the names of the modes of the Harmonic and Melodic Modes....since this is the Theory Forum, I guess that purists wouldn't call any of the modes major or minor as those are terms for Keys and not Modes.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/09/2018:  09:06:37


Huh. ChuckV.  This is up there with the Bernstein Bears glitch in the Matrix for me. 



Mind = Blown



mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/09/2018:  09:33:39


It's just a Beatles song

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  09:43:42


Beatles songs have been scrutinized by the Theorists ever since those songs were recorded. I have to admit that the first song I thought about after you said "60s Pop" was a Beatles song. I'm Happy Just to Dance With You by George Harrison. Then I picked up my banjo and realized that instead of switching from a minor to the parallel major, it switched to the relative major. But now you have made it a lot easier and it is just elimination. Who will get there first? No one knows

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/09/2018:  10:30:05


While my Guitar Gently Weeps?

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  10:31:52


That one switches to the parallel major for the chorus, not the verse.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/09/2018:  10:44:35


All My Loving

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  11:06:07


How about Michelle?

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/09/2018:  12:16:50


By Jove, you crafty bovine Mooooo - I think you are on to something there, old chap.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/09/2018:  12:17:09


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

How about Michelle?






 You are the winner! Your prize isto go to a Paul McCartney concert and skip the $3,000 for the front row seat ha ha 

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  12:35:04


Would love to see him again. I saw him once with a guy with a broken leg. I suggest you all go to shows with friends who have broken legs, they get to sit in the handicap section (and you along with them) which is generally along the aisle and without some guy with a huge afro right in front of you. It may take a bit of planning, but it will be well worth your while to break a friend's leg for the better seats. We went from all the way in the nosebleed back to 30th row off to the side in the first mezzanine.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/09/2018:  12:38:32


How ‘bout a broken heart - does that work?

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  12:43:11


If you have crutches for your heart, maybe....not sure if a bottle of booze would be considered crutches for a broken heart, but it's worth a try.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  12:43:40


Here's a song that is played at the beginning of the shows put on by the guy whose show was and still is the best concert I have ever seen in my life. The opening three notes are recognizable to anyone who has ever heard it. Take out your banjo and pick these notes out slowly to get the effect. Played in unison the notes are: Tonic, Perfect 5th, octave above the Tonic. Very easy.



Hint: this tune contains one of the very few kettle drum solos in music.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/09/2018 12:49:14

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/09/2018:  12:44:52


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Would love to see him again. I saw him once with a guy with a broken leg. I suggest you all go to shows with friends who have broken legs, they get to sit in the handicap section (and you along with them) which is generally along the aisle and without some guy with a huge afro right in front of you. It may take a bit of planning, but it will be well worth your while to break a friend's leg for the better seats. We went from all the way in the nosebleed back to 30th row off to the side in the first mezzanine.






Agreed! McCartney was easily one of the best shows I’ve ever been to. 

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/09/2018:  13:09:16


I think you have to be referring to Also sprach Zarathustra, composed by Richard Strauss.

Not sure who’s show you mean. Deodato? He did a funk cover of this in the 70’s.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  13:42:34


You won Jeff. Great pick. You have just won an all expense a pink and white 1954 Cadillac! You must go to Memphis to pick it up.



Here is the Man in action....all the later shows started off this way. Was my first and favorite Concert.



Also Spracht Zarathustra



Your turn to pick that tune

Mooooo - Posted - 03/09/2018:  14:18:52


Not an "all expense a pink and white"(typo) Caddy, just the greatest one. Here's a pic.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/09/2018:  14:44:19


Oh, right! I should have known that.
Although I hear once you're down in Texas, Bob Wills is still the king.

I don't have one cued up. Anyone who has one can throw it out there.

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/09/2018:  15:08:10


Meanwhile, I’m serving up a softball:



Minor key, first three notes:  6 5 1 in two bars.



Hint:  The composer was asked to play it as an encore so often that he said he “wished he’d never written it.”

rfink1913 - Posted - 03/10/2018:  08:37:49


quote:

Originally posted by Rawhide Creek

Meanwhile, I’m serving up a softball:



Minor key, first three notes:  6 5 1 in two bars.



Hint:  The composer was asked to play it as an encore so often that he said he “wished he’d never written it.”






Rachmaninov Prelude in C# minor

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 03/10/2018:  09:27:44


We have a winner!



You will receive a free tour of Red Square to hear “The Bells of Moscow”!

Mooooo - Posted - 03/10/2018:  09:37:56


That "softball" was too easy, so I sat that one out. But that tune is so catchy I have been whistling it all day long. I am not surprised that Rocky refused to play it, I bet everyone requested it.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/10/2018 09:42:00

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/10/2018:  09:46:41


Yeah, uh, me too. I wanted to let someone else get a shot at one, ya know?

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/10/2018:  10:19:28


I'm not too familiar with Rochmaninoff.  Powerful start.



 


Mooooo - Posted - 03/10/2018:  10:34:48


It is a toe tapper

Mooooo - Posted - 03/10/2018:  10:36:49


Let's give rfink1913 a while to post a new puzzle and if he/she refuses again, someone can take his/her turn.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/10/2018 10:37:12

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/10/2018:  10:44:42


Kinda like the theme from "Rockymaninoff", right. Here's 10 hours of it!

youtube.com/watch?v=UOEDmLJ4sn4

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/10/2018:  11:13:38


I bet I could listen to that for 2, maybe 3 hours. Not 10 though.

Rochmaninoff actually had a lon-gstanding relationship with the Philadelphia Orchestra.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/10/2018:  11:22:14


Maybe another option.
youtube.com/watch?v=edQNjJZFdLU

Mooooo - Posted - 03/10/2018:  11:26:16


Now I'm hungry

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/10/2018:  12:25:05


quote:

Originally posted by FlyinEagle

I bet I could listen to that for 2, maybe 3 hours. Not 10 though.



Rochmaninoff actually had a lon-gstanding relationship with the Philadelphia Orchestra.






I hope he rented a big motel room

Mooooo - Posted - 03/10/2018:  15:37:59


Sometimes I feel like Ralphy-Boy playing this game. Suwanee River

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/10/2018:  22:50:53


.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/11/2018:  08:28:48


OK, I have one.



The first theme of this piece is probably one of the most famous and recognizable in classical music.



It is 4 bars long, and every note can be found on a major chord consisting of a major triad and the 4th below the root note.  Original key is g major.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/11/2018:  10:47:37


William Tell Overture is my first thought, and it has all the notes from one chord in the first 4 bars, I believe.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/11/2018:  12:08:48


Not what i have in mind.

A hint would be to start on the root and dip down to that low note and back a few times before assending the triad.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/11/2018:  12:16:46


You put that on a silver platter for me. I has to be Eine Kleine Nachtmusik By Wolfgang A.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/11/2018:  12:30:51


Yeah i was afraid of that. It's hard to gage what is too much of a hint.



Congratulations Mike, you have won a pair of boxer shorts worn by earl Scruggs during the famed Carnegie Hall live recording. 


Edited by - FlyinEagle on 03/11/2018 12:34:27

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/11/2018:  12:37:03


Mooooo - Posted - 03/11/2018:  12:53:02


I will cherish those shorts for the rest of my life. Maybe I will hang them in the living room over the fireplace right next to Ghandi's Loincloth and Baby Huey's Diapers.



I have a good one, but it's gonna take me  some time to type it up properly. Give me a bit.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/11/2018 12:53:58

Mooooo - Posted - 03/11/2018:  13:20:59


This is a classical piece that everyone knows. It starts out with the major 3rd note of the scale played 7 times in a row and is followed by a descending chromatic scale which reaches down to a minor 3rd pitch below the next octave down....then it moves up one whole step above the original starting note (to a #4 interval above the tonic) and repeats the same pattern, 7 times with the high note and back down the chromatic scale the same number of notes as the first time but starting and finishing at the same position. Then moves up a half step (to a perfect 5th interval above the tonic) and repeats that note 6 times, jumps down an octave and chromatically makes it's way up to the supertonic which starts out the tune.
The melody of the tune starts on the tonic goes chromatically down two half steps before stepping up one half step then down 5 more half steps before raising up one half step then steps up a whole step and repeats the same melody pattern from this new postition. By now if you are playing along on your banjo you should have it.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/11/2018:  14:53:13


To make this clearer this should read:



This is a classical piece that everyone knows. It starts out with the major 3rd note of the scale played 7 times in a row and is followed by a descending chromatic scale which reaches down to a minor 3rd pitch below the next octave down (from the starting point of this descending phrase)....then it moves up one whole step above the original starting note (to a #4 interval above the tonic) and repeats the same pattern, 7 times with the high note and back down the chromatic scale the same number of notes as the first time but starting and finishing at the same position. Then moves up a half step (to a perfect 5th interval above the tonic) and repeats that note 6 times, jumps down an octave and chromatically makes it's way up to the supertonic which starts out the tune.



The melody of the tune starts on the tonic goes chromatically down two half steps before stepping up one half step then down chromatically 5 more half steps before raising up one half step then steps up a whole step and repeats the same melody pattern from this new position. By now if you are playing along on your banjo you should have it.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/11/2018:  15:00:21


youtu.be/gqg3l3r_DRI    .....Sabre Dance. - Khatchaturnbuckle


Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/11/2018 15:08:07

Mooooo - Posted - 03/11/2018:  15:34:03


That's a good one chuckv97, too bad you didn't use it. It would be a fun one to try to figure out. But it's not the correct one. Although just as fun.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/11/2018:  15:39:02


I knew it didn’t exactly follow your description, Mike, but with those repeated notes and chromatic descent, I thought I’d throw it out there to get close ..like horseshoes.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/12/2018:  08:37:59


Hint...when you close your eyes during the intro you can imagine the King of England Entering a Cathedral...Then when the melody starts you can imagine the ruler of Freedonia entering some place.

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