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Mooooo - Posted - 03/05/2018:  10:29:28


Tell Him What He's Won!!!

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/05/2018:  10:30:02


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

TCTYB - You Can Teach Yourself Banjo. Mooooo - isn't an abreviation it's the third note in the solfege system...Do Re Mooooo Fa Sol... Mooooo a name, I call myself. BYOB - Bring Your Own Bovine.






Hmm....I’ve been on blind dates with bovines

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/05/2018:  10:35:41


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

As long as they’re marshmallow-filled. But I think my interests, being this is a banjo forum, lie in the bluegrass/folk/old time field.

(Qustn: How can you tell if the festival stage is level ?

Answr: If you see the banjo player drooling out of both sides of his mouth.)



...and furthermore, if you’ve never heard “Four Strong Winds” before, I’m not sure you have a pulse....and BB is Bobby Bare,, #3 on the country charts in the mid ‘60’s. Oh, wait a minute,,,did I say the mid ‘60’s?? Gosh, my apologies- if you remember the ‘60’s ,you weren’t there.....






I couldn’t figure out who BB was, and even if I did, I know Four Strong Winds as a Neil Young song. And Neil is also Canuckian!

FlyinEagle - Posted - 03/05/2018:  10:41:02


quote:

Originally posted by rfink1913

I wouldn't say "well understood," as if the matter is closed, but there are many musicologists who specialize in the unwritten aspect of older notated music. The best source is treatises on music and performance, which often tell the 18th-ct version of noobies how to play "with taste" the music on the page. 



And, BTW, if you don't like Bach, you're in good company. There's a reason his music fell almost completely out of favor until it was rediscovered about 75 years after his death. Tastes change. If you like Delius and Chopin, Bach is not going to do it for you.


 




I still love the internet because it’s the only place where you can casually end a thought with “…but I’m no Historian”, and then an actual historian chimes in with some input. So thanks for that! 



 



I would never say that I don’t like Bach, more like I’m just very rarely in the mood to listen to Bach.  But I don’t hesitate to say that I find most of Chopin’s work to be a bore.  I’m not familiar enough with Delius to form my own opinion.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/05/2018:  10:45:22


Glad you mentioned Neil. What’s the outside chord in the short instrumental interlude?....use the NNS, pls. youtu.be/WYna-UAt75c

(And who is the other guitarist sitting across from Neil ...is that KR? )

btw, Blind River (BR for Mooooo) is a town in northern Ontario.


Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/05/2018 10:52:15

Mooooo - Posted - 03/05/2018:  10:58:58


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Glad you mentioned Neil. What’s the outside chord in the short instrumental interlude?....use the NNS, pls. youtu.be/WYna-UAt75c

(And who is the other guitarist sitting across from Neil ...is that KR? )

btw, Blind River (BR for Mooooo) is a town in northern Ontario.






According to this Unplugged Wiki it's NL.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/05/2018:  11:07:17


How about at all expenses paid trip to Paris France to visit the grave of Jim Morrison.

flowers,graffiti markers and bottles of spirits included

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/05/2018:  11:13:24


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Glad you mentioned Neil. What’s the outside chord in the short instrumental interlude?....use the NNS, pls. youtu.be/WYna-UAt75c

(And who is the other guitarist sitting across from Neil ...is that KR? )btw, Blind River (BR for Mooooo) is a town in northern Ontario.






According to this Unplugged Wiki it's NL.






Nope, Nicolette Larson’s singing backup..., and I don’t think it’s Norman Lear

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/05/2018:  11:23:08


The chord in the instrumental is the b6

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/05/2018:  11:28:05


Flatted Sixth is CORRECT!! Send that man Rick an electronic cigar!

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/05/2018:  11:44:28


Thank you, so anybody, what are the two chords that they play over and over for 4 minutes in LIGHT MY FIRE?

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/05/2018:  11:51:11


ii7 and vii7

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/05/2018:  11:59:43


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

ii7 and vii7






Hmm, I could go with ii7 and iii7 if your saying the key is G. 

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/05/2018:  12:09:52


Hi Rick ,,why does the key matter? it’s the NNS. in G I thought it was am7 and f#m7

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/05/2018:  12:39:50


Originally posted by chuckv97Hi Rick ,,why does the key matter? it’s the NNS. in G I thought it was am7 and f#m7





Ok I see that's the verse, I'm looking at the solo Am7 Bm7.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/05/2018:  12:42:21


Oops ,sorry, my oversight.

Laurence Diehl - Posted - 03/05/2018:  12:49:19


Wow this is just like the games forum except (gasp!) - it actually has something to do with music!

Mooooo - Posted - 03/05/2018:  12:55:45


I don't think this one would do so well there Laurence Diehl, It's hardly doing very well here with people dropping out left and right. But for me it's fun to try to figure out stuff and learn a bit on the way.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/05/2018:  13:10:27


quote:
Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall
"How about at all expenses paid trip to Paris France to visit the grave of Jim Morrison.
flowers,graffiti markers and bottles of spirits included"

I was there twice, Last time I went with a group of friends and a big bottle of Jack. We sang Alabama Song (Whisky Bar) by the Doors as the Grave-tender rang his bell at closing time. Pere Lachaise Cemetery. Lots of famous people buried there. Great Prize!

Now it's time for rfink1913 to ask us to "Name That Tune"

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/05/2018:  13:19:45


Since the LIGHT MY FIRE key could be thought out in many ways because the song uses so many chords G D F Bb Eb Ab A B E F#m Am Bm (a dozen) I am going to say that the tonal center of the solo is A not G.

Am7 = aceg Bm7= bdf#a
putting those notes in alphabetical order from the tonic gives (a b c d e f# g) which gives the notes in the A Dorian mode (1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7)
BTW it could becalled the Key of G here but the function is wrong.

dr4dpet - Posted - 03/05/2018:  20:47:17


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97youtu.be/WYna-UAt75c

(And who is the other guitarist sitting across from Neil ...is that KR?






According to this Unplugged Wiki it's NL.






Nope, Nicolette Larson’s singing backup...,






I saw her headline a USO show in Honduras back in the late 80s. The audience was a bunch of us REMFs there for a short tour and a battalion of the 101st for a two week 'visit'.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/05/2018:  21:58:54


Nils Lofgren

Someone have a new puzzler?

Mooooo - Posted - 03/05/2018:  22:37:59


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

Nils Lofgren



Someone have a new puzzler?






I have one but was giving rfink1913 a day or so if he wants to start the new tune since he got the last one. But if you don't want to wait, go ahead with yours. He can get one in the future. 


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/05/2018 22:39:38

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/05/2018:  23:01:20


12 bar blues instrumental of the 60's that featured the fourth of each chord in the first verse.

IV/I IV/I IV/I IV/I bVII/IV bVII/IV IV/I IV/I I/V bVII/IV IV/I IV/I

Mooooo - Posted - 03/05/2018:  23:23:45


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

12 bar blues instrumental of the 60's that featured the fourth of each chord in the first verse.



IV/I IV/I IV/I IV/I bVII/IV bVII/IV IV/I IV/I I/V bVII/IV IV/I IV/I






So tell me if I'm reading this right. Are these slash chords IV/I or are they measures separated by a "/"...it is really hard to read this. 

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/06/2018:  05:23:17


I I I I IV IV I I V IV I I with each having (hint: the guitarist) playing stacatto syncopation a fourth higher than written.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  08:45:46


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

I I I I IV IV I I V IV I I with each having (hint: the guitarist) playing stacatto syncopation a fourth higher than written.






Looking at this second post alongside the first one "IV/I IV/I IV/I IV/I bVII/IV bVII/IV IV/I IV/I I/V bVII/IV IV/I IV/I" makes me even more confused than I was. Is there some reason you aren't describing the melody? Is it that bad? The Chord progression doesn't seem that unique or interesting. Maybe I am wrong. If you could give us as much information as you can when you ask your question it would be funner. *like you did with the Edvard Grieg tune. That way we don't have to beg you for clues.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/06/2018 08:48:40

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  08:53:27


Green Onions...... Booker (Dano) T and the Austin Healeys
youtu.be/_bpS-cOBK6Q

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  08:55:27


I bet that's it Chuck, I hope you win something cool


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/06/2018 08:56:29

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  08:58:15


Yeah, something like a polyester pant suit for aging pensioners.... cool, man

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  09:02:58


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Yeah, something like a polyester pant suit for aging pensioners.... cool, man






You mean one with a Jet Pack or Jet-powered backpack?

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  09:06:59


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Yeah, something like a polyester pant suit for aging pensioners.... cool, man






You mean one with a Jet Pack or Jet-powered backpack?


One o’ these, but in sky blue...




 

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  09:20:46


That would be pretty sweet. I wonder how that works. Is it an anti-gravity belt? Whatever it is it would be pretty fun, until you get drunk and run into a building

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  09:22:18


Old joak - “I don’t drink any more.”

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/06/2018:  11:42:13


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Green Onions...... Booker (Dano) T and the Austin Healeys

youtu.be/_bpS-cOBK6Q


  P le 




Chuck I used to have a couple MGs in the 60s you can have both of them if you can find them!

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  12:34:23


I had a Sunbeam Alpine in 1967,, ragtop ,with a hardtop that latched on for winter.
Had an 8-track of Sam Sidesaddle and the Sunbeams, singing “My Piles Are Burning, Yearning”

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/06/2018:  13:19:10


My brother had a Sunbeam Tiger, fun in a staight line and death in a curve.


Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  13:25:06


So, did Chuck win or what?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/06/2018:  13:59:49


Yea he won the M.G.s.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  15:57:32


Let’s see....I’ll take the 1954 MG, thank you

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  16:00:29


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

Yea he won the M.G.s.






Another nice prize...you're even better than Santa.

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  16:37:59


OK,,no other suckers putting out a theory query? Then try this one on for size......it’s a double whammy query , so stand back :

1. If you were to substitute the second chord in “Deep River Blues” with the one commonly played ,what chord do you think would work satisfactorily?



2. What chord , according to (musical) Hoyle , is more “correct” in the “Ballad of Jed Clampett” where the C moves chromatically to the D ? (the transition chord between C and D)


Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/06/2018 16:38:46

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 03/06/2018:  16:58:28


1. A7 or fancier A7b9

2. C#b5 just slide the C shape up and don't strike the first string.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  17:06:28


I don't know about #1 But for #2 Bill Keith says it's a Diminished chord, but I'm not buying that I think A7 works better.



*I'm scratching my head...what do these two questions have to do with the topic, or are you just too lazy to start a new one?


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/06/2018 17:09:46

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  17:31:50


Dang, Mike - busted again! 5 minutes after posting it I realized it’s off topic. Pleas send me some sackcloth and as*es.

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  17:36:02


I would send you some sackcloth and as*es if I knew what they were or what is meant by saying this. But for all I know it's slang for Crack.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/06/2018 17:36:56

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  17:36:28


btw, I agree with Bill Keith (who wouldn’t?)
I like C7 as a secondary option for DRB , E dim being the usual chord, but A7b9 sounds interesting. Really no definitive answer,,depends on the taste of the player.
....did somebody call me “lazy” ??

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/06/2018:  17:38:43


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

I would send you some sackcloth and as*es if I knew what they were or what is meant by saying this. But for all I know it's slang for Crack.






You’ve never worn sackcloth and ashes to do penance? You don’t know what you’re missing.



crack...?


Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/06/2018 17:39:52

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  17:42:25


Hilarious....I guess you must have grown up in the middle ages or something, cause I never heard of it. Worst I ever had to do was a couple "Our Fathers and a Hail Mary" Maybe you were just a really bad kid though.


Edited by - Mooooo on 03/06/2018 17:43:28

Mooooo - Posted - 03/06/2018:  17:49:51


Can I start one Chuck?

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