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mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/11/2018:  19:01:43


What country song of the 50's featured 3 minor scales (Aeolian, Dorian, Melodic)

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/11/2018:  19:13:00


El Paso

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/11/2018:  20:14:13


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

El Paso






Not a chance,,,stabbing in the dark again

Mooooo - Posted - 04/11/2018:  20:16:36


Kaw-Liga?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/11/2018:  20:22:59


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

El Paso






not a minor key song

Mooooo - Posted - 04/11/2018:  20:26:03


mmuussiiccaall Is it the melody that has those different scales or is it in the instrumental solos?


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/11/2018 20:34:50

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/11/2018:  20:29:50


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

Kaw-Liga?






an example of parallel keys



E Aeolian 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 minor



E Ionian 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 major

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/11/2018:  20:49:49


Sixteen Tons

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/11/2018:  20:55:30


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

mmuussiiccaall Is it the melody that has those different scales or is it in the instrumental solos?






Great question, the vocal stays in the Hexatonic minor pentatonic blues scale (1 b3 4 b5 5 no b7 here) so as to not conflict with the altering of the 6 & 7ths during the mode changes.



p.s. I'm using a lot of theory terns in the hope of somebody learnin' somethin'enlightened???????

Mooooo - Posted - 04/11/2018:  20:56:57


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

mmuussiiccaall Is it the melody that has those different scales or is it in the instrumental solos?






Great question, the vocal stays in the Hexatonic minor pentatonic blues scale (1 b3 4 b5 5 no b7 here) so as to not conflict with the altering of the 6 & 7ths during the mode changes.



p.s. I'm using a lot of theory terns in the hope of somebody learnin' somethin'enlightened???????






I hope that's what is keeping us out of the Games Forum.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/11/2018:  21:02:13


Chuck,tour the coal mine of your choice and enjoy the beautiful colors found there, brought to you in technicolor by Henry Ford not Tennessee Ford.



youtube.com/watch?v=BRiqIB6K4ic


Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 04/11/2018 21:03:18

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/11/2018:  21:05:47


Ok, thnx.. u got a miners hard hat I can borrow?

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/11/2018:  21:06:24


Am too tired,,,I pass to anyone with a good one

Mooooo - Posted - 04/11/2018:  21:06:47


I was looking at that tune earlier for this question...

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/11/2018:  21:09:17


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Ok, thnx.. u got a miners hard hat I can borrow?






No Chuck but I have a parakeet I could loan you, hmm he's lookin' nervous.

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/11/2018:  21:23:04


Parakeet, paracanaree, what’s the diff.....?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/11/2018:  21:37:32


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Parakeet, paracanaree, what’s the diff.....?






Yeah I don't have a canary but my parakeet says he's ready now. 



 

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/12/2018:  04:42:15


Name this showstopper from a popular Broadway play (later made into a movie) that incorporates mixed meter…alternating bars of 6/8 time and 3/4 time.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/12/2018:  05:10:51


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

mmuussiiccaall Is it the melody that has those different scales or is it in the instrumental solos?






Great question, the vocal stays in the Hexatonic minor pentatonic blues scale (1 b3 4 b5 5 no b7 here) so as to not conflict with the altering of the 6 & 7ths during the mode changes.



p.s. I'm using a lot of theory terns in the hope of somebody learnin' somethin'enlightened???????






I hope that's what is keeping us out of the Games Forum.






I think maybe after your clue is guessed a brief blurb about the theory element the clue focused on, or maybe just a link to a relevant wikipedia page, might ensure that this thread isn’t moved.  You know, for all the lurkers Rick thinks are here. 



 



I also like when the youtubes of the piece in question are posted, so you can hear the theory in action.  I’ll try to make sure I do that.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/12/2018:  08:12:10


Here’s a hint:

You might be able to guess it if you tap out the rhythm, one tap per beat.

If the 6/8 measure was conducted in 3, the tempo would not change between the time signatures. In actuality, the tempo does change because the 6/8 measure is conducted in 2, sounding like 2 groups of triplets.

This subtlety is the reason for the mixed meter.

The play debuted in the late 50’s and movie premiered in the early 60’s. Both were extremely popular.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  08:24:29


Jeff I like that idea there's a lot of applied theory here already, the only trouble is 98% of the people including the moderators on this site don't know a golden nugget when they see it.
When this thread dies down it will be just be another one of the old posts that no one can see and the same old questions will be asked again and again. I have myself personally put up many threads about theory with charts explaining it and even I can no longer find most of what I did. I keep plugging away with this myself because it helps my 67-year-old in mind and it helps in my private teaching to give me insight into the mind of a student.

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/12/2018:  08:32:18


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

Jeff I like that idea there's a lot of applied theory here already, the only trouble is 98% of the people including the moderators on this site don't know a golden nugget when they see it.

When this thread dies down it will be just be another one of the old posts that no one can see and the same old questions will be asked again and again. I have myself personally put up many threads about theory with charts explaining it and even I can no longer find most of what I did. I keep plugging away with this myself because it helps my 67-year-old in mind and it helps in my private teaching to give me insight into the mind of a student.






I think it would be really cool if people are learning a little something from the thread.  I especially like the way the thread ties elements of theory to actual pieces of music that people might be familiar with, rather than just discussing concepts that can get pretty abstract (and overwhelming) pretty quickly.  



 



If nothing else, I have been learning a ton.  And I have to wonder if there has ever been a 30+ page thread in the theory forum before...


Edited by - FlyinEagle on 04/12/2018 08:33:06

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/12/2018:  08:45:25


If I Were a Rich Man

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  08:48:57


that sounds like 2/4 or 2/2 to me. But I guess I am confusing it with Bluegrass...most of the sheet music is 4/4.


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/12/2018 08:54:16

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  09:00:05


quote:

Originally posted by FlyinEagle

I think maybe after your clue is guessed a brief blurb about the theory element the clue focused on, or maybe just a link to a relevant wikipedia page, might ensure that this thread isn’t moved.  You know, for all the lurkers Rick thinks are here. 



 



I also like when the youtubes of the piece in question are posted, so you can hear the theory in action.  I’ll try to make sure I do that.






I think this is a great idea....I also like it when videos are included it's like dessert. Anyone new wanting to join in is welcome and all of these "rules" are optional, no one should feel that they have to know a lot about Theory to join in. It's just a fun place to learn, hopefully.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  09:19:57


America

musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd....MN0104906



youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6wo2wpT2k



youtube.com/watch?v=eDFFKhAXaHY minus all the fraction talk just  6 8      3 4   not six-eights    three-fourths


Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 04/12/2018 09:33:48

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/12/2018:  09:33:35


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

America

musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd....MN0104906



youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6wo2wpT2k



youtube.com/watch?v=eDFFKhAXaHY






Winner winner ceviche dinner! 



You win a trip to Puerto Rico, where you will help restore electricity to the American Citizens there who still don't have it! 

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  10:00:01


What jam-buster has 5 chords and 5 parts?

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/12/2018:  10:22:46


Give me more theory for that tune, pls Rick, so’s we can remain far away from the dreaded games forum


Edited by - chuckv97 on 04/12/2018 10:23:17

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  10:35:03


I like the way the guy describes the time sigs in the third link, like a fraction. Three-fourths instead of three-four. I wonder how they say it in non-English languages?


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/12/2018 10:36:31

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  10:43:04


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Give me more theory for that tune, pls Rick, so’s we can remain far away from the dreaded games forum






1 4 5 2m 2  are the different chords

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  10:47:35


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

What jam-buster has 5 chords and 5 parts?






I would love to be at the jam where someone passes out the sheet music for this one. (enter pitchforks and torches)

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/12/2018:  10:58:39


Wood dis bee a gluebrass jam?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  11:58:05


quote:

Originally posted by Mooooo

quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

What jam-buster has 5 chords and 5 parts?






I would love to be at the jam where someone passes out the sheet music for this one. (enter pitchforks and torches)




Here in Cincinnati I attend the jam where there might be 30 or 40 people in a circle and you got to keep it simple but sometimes I will go to a room with maybe four or five of us and lay two pieces of paper on the floor facing  opposite directions so we can play any fancy song we want and we also sometimes pass our instruments to the left every now and then for fun to see what other people's axe feels like. 

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/12/2018:  12:01:17


Well, I never...!

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  12:12:00


Sounds like fun Rick. I was in a jam band where we used to switch instruments, worked great....sometimes.

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/12/2018:  12:32:09


I don’t wanna suck somebody else’s harmonica....

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  12:35:18


I wonder in the history of harmonicas, has anyone ever seriously used sheet music to play one? Harmonica Tab would look pretty funny.


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/12/2018 12:36:43

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/12/2018:  12:57:59


You wouldn't believe what you can find on teh interwebs, Mike:




9th Symphony by Beethoven (for diatonic harmonica)



5 5 -5 6 6 -5 5 -4 4 4 -4 5 5 -4



5 5 -5 6 6 -5 5 -4 4 4 -4 5 -4 4 4



-4 -4 5 4 -4 5 -5 5 4 -4 5 -5 5 -4 4 -4 3



5 5 -5 6 6 -5 5 -4 4 4 -4 5 -4 4 4




harmonica.com/harmonica-tabs-s...8144.html

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  13:09:15


amazing....I pictured something like this where you blow into the O, suck the 8 and avoid the Xs.

XXXOXXXXXX, XXXOXXXXXX, XXXXOXXXXX, XXXXXOXXXX, XXXXXXOXXX, XXXXX8XXXX. Name that tune.


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/12/2018 13:12:12

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  13:28:48


If you don't have a harmonica here is an explanation of this song. It's a classic American folk song in 3/4 time and the first line of verse is an arpeggio of the tonic chord for 3 different notes (the first note is repeated and is a pickup note) then the line ends going from the 5th of the Subdominant chord to the 3rd of the Subdominant chord. I hope that is confusing. I am not sure if you can refer to chords the same as you do note degrees of the scale, but if not, just take out your harmonica and try to decode my version of harmonica tab above.


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/12/2018 13:30:11

chuckv97 - Posted - 04/12/2018:  14:07:01


I like ur style Mike, but my eyes are glazing over now.....


Edited by - chuckv97 on 04/12/2018 14:07:29

Mooooo - Posted - 04/12/2018:  14:16:50


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

I like ur style Mike, but my eyes are glazing over now.....






Take a nap


Edited by - Mooooo on 04/12/2018 14:23:57

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  14:21:17


Of course I have a chart


mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  17:07:29


quote:

Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

Give me more theory for that tune, pls Rick, so’s we can remain far away from the dreaded games forum






1 4 5 2m 2  are the different chords






 The song in question was a top 10 hit in the UK in the 60s 

FlyinEagle - Posted - 04/12/2018:  18:28:25


That harmonica site is too much.



mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  18:59:00


my fav harp link
youtube.com/watch?v=OVk9fe72-EA

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  20:17:54


Telltale chords to chorus
1 | 5 | 2m| 4 | 2m | 5 | 4 | 1|

puddinfangers - Posted - 04/12/2018:  20:35:57


Fox on the Run?

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 04/12/2018:  21:02:52


quote:

Originally posted by puddinfangers

Fox on the Run?






That's it, how about a Genie to erase those heartbreaks suffered during your life. Can I have him after you?



youtube.com/watch?v=2zqFDRA1HY8 original U.K. hit



youtube.com/watch?v=WcYh3mhum1A original bluegrass version



banjohangout.org/archive/279248 4 year old post where FOTR etc.is broken down, notice the "pro" comments

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