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Originally posted by chuckv97.

<snip> p.s. #2 , tagging up requires a player to just be in contact with the blue line with his skate. 

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Right you are Chuck:

.... although in my defence (?) I'm pretty sure the "skate contact with the blue line clause" has been tweaked (?) in recent years.  About 3 years ago I got into this same discussion with a dude down at the Russell and District Memorial Multiplex, and we checked the HockeyUSA rule book and as there was no "skate contact" clause we [I?] went with "clear the zone," and when a puck is in the offensive zone, the blue line is part of the offensive zone [think holding the puck "in" at the blue line].... i.e. clearing the zone would mean getting past the outer edge of the blue line. 

[otoh, I guess that logic (?) falls apart IF the puck isn't "legally" in the offensive zone.  ]

At about the :05 mark, the HeresYourReplay link ^^ shows the right winger's skate in contact with the blue line before Gallagher gets into the offensive zone, so like Paul notes, the universe is unfolding as it should.... the 9:00 start for the Winnipeg game notwithstanding!  My guess is that the eastern TV market for the Habs is more important than the one for the Senators.... those Habs fans in the Maritimes probably flexed their collective muscle.  

RIP George Armstrong, one of the first indigenous NHL players, and captain of the last Leafs Stanley Cup team in 19..........ahem, 67.
tsn.ca/toronto-maple-leafs-leg...1.1582108

...back in the pre-TV era [at least in our neck of the woods] it was Foster Blew-it and/or Danny Gallivan on Sat. nites.  For some odd reason, it seemed that Armstrong and his buddies made more than their share of 3rd. period comebacks when playing the Habs.   I don't recall ever hearing a bad word about him.... may he RIP.

...and furthermore, are some teams putting additional advertising on the ice?   There's still a ways to go to get to the worst I can recall off the top of my head.... Kamloops Blazers might have to switch to international dimensions so as to have some white ice remaining.  

...and further furthermore, what's with the advertising on some helmets [Jets/Canadiens/Oilers/???] instead of plain or team crests/logos?

Is less more?   [i.e. less advertising... more class]

I saw that,,Canadian Tire logo on the Senators’ helmets too. I guess with no ticket sales moolah the owners decided to cash in somewhere else...& probably having the team stay in fleabag motels....

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Originally posted by Owen

...and further furthermore, what's with the advertising on some helmets [Jets/Canadiens/Oilers/???] instead of plain or team crests/logos?

Is less more?   [i.e. less advertising... more class]

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I sure hope it's temporary.

I'd hate to see it go the Euro way, especially those big stickers on the fronts of the helmets.

When the Habs played the Oilers in a heritage game in Edmonton, Jose Theodore fixed a Habs toque to his helmet. And, in the Oldtimers' game, the Habs players wore Canadiens toques, while Gretzky had his boys wear Ford logo toques.

Well-down in this article https://globalnews.ca/news/7596303/george-armstrong-obit/  it mentions how G.A. became "the Chief."  I wasn't aware of the specifics.

Although it's apparently not entirely supported by fact, popular lore has it that our income tax was a temporary measure to pay for WW I.  Ah well, I suppose I can find it within myself to let bygones be bygones............. so long as I'm allowed to pick-and-choose!!!

G.A. never played for the Chiefs.... 

...THE Chief, not a Chief.  

I think "Chief" was a fairly common moniker for players of FN heritage back in the day [whenever that was].  I hadn't bothered to think there might be more to it than that.   

Pierre Pilote,, never played organized hockey until he was 17 and became a H of F’er (a former St. Catharines TeePee, btw, that Rudy Pilous later got to the ChiHawks) was part Innu. Bobby Hull used to say he was proud to play for a team that had Pilote’s picture on the sweater. !

Sounds like ^^ was THE "developmental program" of choice!!     A couple of years ago the Brandon Sun had a write-up on Ted Taylor   https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=5328   He mentioned about his formative years in Oak Lake.... "everybody" on the ice at the same time.... older ones just "watched out for" the younger ones and the girls in figure skates.  If I recall, he played a year with a local "intermediate" team before catching on with the Wheat Kings.   

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Originally posted by Owen

...THE Chief, not a Chief.  

I think "Chief" was a fairly common moniker for players of FN heritage back in the day [whenever that was].  I hadn't bothered to think there might be more to it than that.   

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So are you saying/implying/inferring that Dief was F.N. and played hockey? 

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I dunno.... apparently these were his skates;

....and there's several pics of him wearing a head dress [not always the same one, so I don't know whether he owned them or just borrowed one for the photo op]:

.... and a pic of him shaking hands with "The Rocket" should count for something:

Edit: Looks like Chuck is faster on the draw than I am. 

Looks like cultural appropriation to me - the headdress and the skates, and the Rocket. 

BTW, I shook his hand on Parliament Hill in '68 - not thief'n'faker (moniker on a protest sign in Newfoundland), but the guy he's enviously watching on the telly.

....cultural appropriation? ... you mean like FN guys in skates?

....fwiw, taping the toe caps hadn't totally gone by the wayside when I started out.   I don't think I ever did it, but one of my older brothers did.

Gotta hand it those Man-ee-toe-bahns....
theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/...door-rink

.... but it doesn't hold a candle to the herring choker version https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-mini-zambonbi-1.5885405 

.....on a serious note,  check the heel tabs [those rounded ends the put on the back end of tubes to reduce risk of getting cut] on those skates ^^ that supposedly belonged to "the Chief."   So far Google has left me disappointed, but my recollection is that those metal ones ^^, came out in the late 50s (?).   Dief was born in 1895, so he'd have to have been starring for the P.A. Old Timers IF those were his...... I'm thinking Paul nailed it with cultural appropriation.   What's the low-down according to Chuck?

I must be going blind, or I need a bigger iPad,,I can barely if at all make out those heel tabs. I don’t recall the metal ones,, my first couple skates didn’t have any heel tabs. Not sure about Dief playing much hockey,, it was Lester "Mike" Pearson who played at a fairly high level. Trudeau just went for a walk in the snow.
I actually bought Harper’s dry book about hockey history (kinda mirrors his personality) but I’ve never seen him with Prestone Manning or Big Deb Grey on the blades on the Bow R.

Of course yours didn't have heel tabs!!      [That little turned up bit isn't a safety feature!!]  But at 39 cents.....        

I might have seen a couple of kids in bob-skates, but it would be few and far between.... maybe when I was taking our kiddos skating in the early 80s??

My first hand-me-downs [1956] didn't have any tabs, but I think it was shortly after that that I saw the new-and-improved Truline models in the T. Eaton Co. catalogs....endorsed by either Howe or Beliveau, no less!!   By the mid-60's  [maybe even a couple of years earlier??] the poly/nylon tabs held on with a screw were "it.".

No bobskates for me,,I loined by pushing a chair around on our backyard rink,, vintage 1954.....on big hand-me-down skates with crumpled-up newspaper shoved up in the toes.

I had hand-me-downs that were so worn out that I couldn't stand straight in them. Talk about bent ankles. I quit until uni, when my sister gave me a pair for Christmas. I discovered free skate time in the morning in the arena. It was just after the kids from the school for the blind had their time. I'd play a game with them. I'd have them chase me. I was impressed how they could follow all over the rink - behind the nets and all. Then there would be the pickup hockey game for the "grownups". I bought a Bruins sweater to play in.

CTV's W5 this aft had an interesting segment on Ted Nolan: https://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/former-nhl-coach-of-the-year-reflects-on-a-career-marred-by-racism-1.5287935

Yeah, I’ve seen stories on him before. Espo didnt say exactly why Nolan’s his own worst enemy.

.... Sherry Bassen didn't spell it out, but it sounded to me like maybe T.N. was too principled for some of the executives he had to deal with.   My suspicion is that Nolan's disinterest in joining the old boys' club was probably a factor.    But I know there are two, or more, sides to every story.    When we went to work on the fly-in reserves, a friend, who had more experience than I did, cautioned me to "be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you."  Being  too "right" or principled or wanting to stick closely to the contract could be counter-productive.... with a side dish of being black-balled.