kirbonite - Posted - 03/08/2010:  11:33:18

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Steve, you might want to e-mail Janet or the Deering factory directly. I'm not sure she is still following this painfully embarressing link. Carolina at the factory is pretty knowledgable. deeringbanjos.com" target="_blank">wdeeringbanjos.com

I have to say.. the appropriate response should have been: I hope you're happy with your new banjo but I encourage you to give our products an opportunity the
next time you decide to purchase a banjo.. I say this as an owner of two Deerings that have served me well. The appropriate apology should have been, " I deeply regret my comments. I hope you will consider our products. I think you'll be pleased."
This is the right attitude and right business as there are many members on here that make banjos and sell chinese banjos and also people that own american made banjos as well as foreign made banjos as well as people that are not American. I hope the guys that started this thread is having a great time with his RK. I've heard lots of good things about them. And I hope that anyone that is not American, has a positive veiw of our country and all the fine people that make instrumenst here.

my 2 cents.. couldn't resist. K.

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Originally posted by UK

Janet please could you inform,

Me as to why? is the Tenbrooks Saratoga Star banjo is so dear and how does it compare to say the Calico. If it no longer has the Switzerland tone ring but has the same as the the Calico why the big price difference is it in the inlays maybe. Is it because it is more hand made is there more to this banjo the than just appearance and last is it worth the extra cash.

Thank You Steve

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maryzcox - Posted - 03/08/2010:  11:40:53

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Janet,
Ever wonder what happened to my custom GDL mermaid banjo?
Here's a little Youtube playing it last Saturday night.
youtube.com/watch?v=yY5i8NP-xrE
This is one of the tunes on our new "Drumming On the Edge Of Banjo" CD
Best wishes,
Mary Z. Cox

Gomer - Posted - 03/08/2010:  13:20:28

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Steve, you might want to e-mail Janet or the Deering factory directly. { etc. }

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I disagree, I think it is perfectly fair game to politely ask some hard questions and equally stand-up for those questions to be answered here. I am a Deering Die-hard myself, but, I do not believe the Mr. UK's question is unfair or embarrassing to anybody.
What are the differences between the Saratoga and the Calico. They are both very fine instruments.

UK - Posted - 03/08/2010:  15:15:04

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Thanks Gomer,
I really do not want to upset anyone at all I am a decent sort of friendly guy. I am about to purchase a Deering Banjo this I have made my mind upon which one ??? At the price of the banjos I can only do this once as I am not a wealthy guy by no means but if I could stretch to the Saratogo. I was just asking what would be the benifits and why the price difference. It is only through you guys on this forum that I have gained the limited knowledge I have. I do not in any way mean to embarras or upset Janet or anyone at the Deering ownership or on BHO.

Thanks Steve.

Gomer - Posted - 03/08/2010:  15:55:43

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Oh I don't guess you are embarassing anybody by asking some questions about what you ought to buy! Janet has got to be a champion, She is the half of the Deering engine that got the company to the point where you and I get to ask questions of them. If they would be offended rather that honored, well, that would be a problem of their own making. The stretch in the Saratoga is IMO the stretch to buy one with the Bronze ring. The Saratoga is a handsome instrument. The Calico is gorgeous.

kirbonite - Posted - 03/08/2010:  17:26:19

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I didn't think anything was embarressing about UK. that is not what I was referring to.

K.

Gomer - Posted - 03/08/2010:  17:58:47

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My bad then Mr. Kirby. That's what I got out of it to an extent, but I have very bad judgment and atrocious communication skills. Best regards

kirbonite - Posted - 03/09/2010:  04:14:14

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Yes UK..

I hope you enjoy your new Deering.. I think you will.. As far as thier price difference, I can't answere but it often has to do with the tone woods they use and sometimes
inlay techniques. I can't remember what the Saratoga looks like but say the resonator on a Calico is pretty plain. I'll be interested in the answer as well.

K.

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/09/2010:  07:09:58

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Gomer,

You have quite the way with words. I'm sure your lady will let you buy any banjo you want when you apply your poetic finesse.

Your description of a Calico is great. Can I quote you?

Janet

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/09/2010:  07:21:49

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Banjo T, Yes, you can upgrade your Golden Era neck to a newer neck that will work with a Paige Capo.

My observation has been when a banjo develops a crack at the fifth string peg, it is generally caused by the banjo being put back in the case inaccurately resulting in the fifth peg hitting the side of the case when it is set down.

I don't have any pricing here at home, but you can contact Carolina and she can give you the info you need. You can e-mail Carolina at: info@Deeringbanjos.com.

We will be happy to help you with it.

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/09/2010:  07:25:30

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Kirby, We don't make any Goodtime banjos that are unfinished. Although they look unfinished, they are completely sealed with a durable satin finish.

I saw one photo of a Goodtime banjo that a car mechanic played when he was between jobs, and it had black grease hand prints all over it. Now, that was a sight to behold!

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/09/2010:  08:12:58

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Sorry, guys. I hadn't gotten to this page yet, I don't have a problem being asked about the price differences. All questions are relevant. Honestly I'm not offended.

We price our banjos according to the cost of the high grade woods, and the cost of materials including the inlays and each of the parts. The man hours that go into each banjo vary based on the special techniques and methods in manufacturing. Labor is hard to see when you are looking at a banjo, especially the fact that we make a select few of the Tenbrooks banjos and it takes our senior craftsmen to make them.

Tenbrooks banjos have a fair amount of additional machining that goes into the flange, the resonator, and the pot dimensions. Tenbrooks banjos are not the same as the standard Deering models that we make every day.

We invested a lot in the research and development of the these banjos and part of the cost of a Tenbrooks banjo is recouping our investment. It has been an excellent investment that led us to better understanding and abilities to create the special sound that you get in a Tenbrooks banjo.

All in all, for those who reach for the most versatile and responsive and dynamic banjo, a Tenbrooks banjo is an excellent investment.

The Saratoga Star and a Calico banjo, both are beautiful banjos.
I would recommend that you play each of them and make your selection. Either way you win.

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/09/2010:  08:15:33

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One other quick note - we put up our new website this weekend. It is in beta, which means that we are tweaking out any bugs or broken links. Let me know if you spot anything we need to fix. We are flat out on perfecting the new site.

I hope you enjoy it.

deeringbanjos.com

Mango - Posted - 03/09/2010:  16:53:55

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Janet, I love the new catalog..very well put together. I would like to know what the theory is behind Machining the 06 tone ring 7 ounces lighter in the Baucom Signature Banjo.How does this effect the tone in this special model?

Gomer - Posted - 03/09/2010:  20:07:35

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Gomer, You have quite the way with words. I'm sure your lady will let you buy any banjo you want when you apply your poetic finesse. Your description of a Calico is great. Can I quote you? Janet

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The Lovely Mrs has much deeper insight than she lets on; she is not given to my folly unless it suits her purposes.
You may quote me on the Calico. I am duly smitten and spent.

Marc Nerenberg - Posted - 03/09/2010:  20:53:23

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I have a 1962 Pete Seeger model Vega with a tubaphone tone ring that I bought in 1969 at a pawn shop for $120....I see you sell what appears to be a replica for around $5000. Why is it so expensive? (I would have expected maybe $2000). I'm sure it's a great banjo, but I'm staggered at the price.

gdoc - Posted - 03/10/2010:  00:20:47

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My Deering Deluxe arrived today and it is beautiful! Your availablity here answering questions was the swing vote for me in desciding(sp?) between the Deering and company brand x.

To my minor dissappointment, it arrived just slightly out of tune! Imangine that, buying a brand new banjo and still having to tune it??? I thought there might be a factory warranty on having to tune it for at least a year. :)

Thanks again for a very nice banjo...

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/10/2010:  06:55:01

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Gdoc, Yes, imagine that! A new banjo and you have to tune it!

What is the world coming to?!

Congratulations on your new Deluxe. Good choice.

I enjoy participating on the Hangout and being available for questions. My favorite part of being in the banjo business is enjoying all the people who play the banjo.

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/10/2010:  07:00:04

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Janet,
Ever wonder what happened to my custom GDL mermaid banjo?
Here's a little Youtube playing it last Saturday night.

Mary, Thanks! I enjoyed your Youtube video. Your custom GDL mermaid banjo sounds great. Thanks for posting it.

I really like the effect of banjo with the drums.

Very Cool!

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Janet Deering - Posted - 03/10/2010:  07:19:37

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Marc,

The banjo you bought for $120 in a pawn shop would cost you $708 in todays dollars. Pawn Shops often under price things, keep in mind, it was a pawn shop. No added service, no warranty, no set up, no questions asked or answered.

The current price of a Vega Long Neck is $4939. This is retail with room for the music stores to make a profit. Pawn shops don't allow any room for anyone else to make a living on what they are selling.

Our pricing involves not only paying the factory to make it, but including the costs of distribution to get the banjos to retailers all over the world and allow them to make a living providing you with top quality banjos and a lifetime warranty and all the advice and service they provide for you. This is not free.

Dealers have the room to give you a special price based on what they can afford to sell it for. All of that is worked into the retail price of the banjo.

When Greg was young and wanted to buy a Vega Long Neck they cost the same price as a new car at that time..... it's all relative.

We provide the Woodsong's Long Neck model at less than half the price of the Vega Long Neck. We hand make the Vega Tubaphone tone ring in house. There is a lot of labor in creating the quality of tone ring we make for the Vega Long Necks.

Our pricing is based on costs and what it takes to provide you the best quality banjo, making them in the USA, to higher standards with a world wide distribution through retailers at affordable prices. We do the best we can.

Marc Nerenberg - Posted - 03/10/2010:  07:39:17

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Marc,

The banjo you bought for $120 in a pawn shop would cost you $708 in todays dollars. ...

The current price of a Vega Long Neck is $4939. ...

When Greg was young and wanted to buy a Vega Long Neck they cost the same price as a new car at that time..... it's all relative. ...

We provide the Woodsong's Long Neck model at less than half the price of the Vega Long Neck. We hand make the Vega Tubaphone tone ring in house. There is a lot of labor in creating the quality of tone ring we make for the Vega Long Necks.

Our pricing is based on costs and what it takes to provide you the best quality banjo, making them in the USA, to higher standards with a world wide distribution through retailers at affordable prices. We do the best we can.

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Thank you for your detailed, thoughtful answer. I can see that I got that banjo for a really good price, and should be careful to make sure I don't need to replace it! (I have fantasized about getting a second one to be able to perform with 2 in very different tunings, but I guess I'll have to abandon that fantasy until at least both of my kids have finished college!)

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/10/2010:  07:50:06

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love the new catalog..very well put together. I would like to know what the theory is behind Machining the 06 tone ring 7 ounces lighter in the Baucom Signature Banjo. How does this effect the tone in this special model?


The theory behind making the -06 tone ring 7 ounces lighter for the Terry Baucom model is interesting. It's all about the mass of the tone ring and how much sustain is wanted. To play the hard driving bluegrass style that Terry Baucom is famous for, the tone ring needs less sustain so that the notes do not run together. So on this model we make the tone ring just slightly lighter for a quicker decay.

DeanT - Posted - 03/10/2010:  08:27:50

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Janet, have you seen this thread?
banjohangout.org/topic/172656
Just courious as to why Deering decided to build Goodtimes for a company that's know for imports and a Gold Tone compeditor. As evidence in the thread mentioned (and another I couldn't find) it puts the Goodtime model, and name into the mix with/as an import banjo line, and even raises the question of where the Mastercraft version is made... even though Banjohut clearly says Made in USA on their website... it's hard to get past a different name on a Goodtime. Took me by suprise.

Clark-a-holic - Posted - 03/10/2010:  17:15:51

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Wow, love the new Deering website; and the Doc Watson photo playing a 6-string banjo.

Mistah Bee

troy_nov1965 - Posted - 03/11/2010:  06:23:49

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hey Janet i have 2 questions for ya

does Deering make its own Archtop tone rings?

and would it be possible to order a Vega Old Tyme Wonder made with walnut and Hartford Grenadillo Tone Ring

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/11/2010:  06:43:00

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Thanks for pointing me to the other thread. Here is a copy of what I posted there:

It is the real deal. Made in the U.S.A. We made both of those banjos here in Spring Valley.

"Master Craft" is Banjo Hut's own brand. We agreed to do a special run of Goodtime banjos for him and so both of those banjo choices are made here by Deering.

When business is slow, new options arise. This helped us keep our crew working in the Fall last year when things were so slow and we really needed to boost sales.

Martin Guitars made the Ditson Guitars for a department store chain in Boston way back just google Ditson Guitar by Martin and you'll see the history of that.

This has been a practice that has kept companies working in other slow downs. The Silvertone banjos sold by Sears were made by Harmony or Kay.

Some stores have their own brand of products made specifically for them so that they have something unique to sell. Usually these days they go to Asia makers for that. But, isn't it great when they will have an American factory make it.

The Master Craft Goodtime banjos we made for Banjo Hut were done as a limited run. I don't know if we will have room in our schedule to continue making these banjos for Banjo Hut in the future. We will see....

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Janet Deering - Posted - 03/11/2010:  06:56:44

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Troy, If it's in a Deering, we made it. However, since we are not the foundry, to be exact, we had it made for us.

Yes, you can order a Walnut Vega Old Tyme Wonder, and it could be made with a grenadillo tone ring.

Actually, if you look at our price list, these items are on it - Walnut upgrade depending on the grade of the wood starts at $193 and the Hartford tone ring cost is $308. So, yes, you can order that.

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Edited by - Janet Deering on 03/11/2010 07:00:22

RMH - Posted - 03/11/2010:  09:35:22

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Janet,
Some of your banjos are aging nicely. I attended a Lost and Found house concert in Boise last night. Ron Smith was playing a bone stock 1990 Golden Era. One of the best sounding banjos I have ever heard and I've been playing for 35 years. I talked to him a little and he said it just gets better all the time.

bigal37 - Posted - 03/11/2010:  12:32:13

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Is it possible to register a new banjo warranty online?

dbrooks - Posted - 03/11/2010:  17:25:51

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Marc Nerenberg, 1969 was a good year for Vega longneck banjos. I also bought one but paid more than you did ($150 vs your $120). I bought mine from Thom Haile, the luthier at a Louisville music store that sold Martin, Vega, Gibson, orchestra instruments, pianos, drums, etc. Thom was the brother of Haskell Haile, a guitar maker who built several guitars for Chet Atkins. One of them is in the Smithsonian.

My Vega had a 1927 or pot and a new blonde Vega neck. I believe that Thom might have put this together himself, though there are stories of Vega using old pots to meet the demand from the Folk Age. The truss rod cover on my banjo says, "Haile," and that suggests to me that Thom probably did the work. I never did ask him about it, though.

I still have the Vega banjo though now I mostly play A-scale banjos. Go figure. My banjo still has the head that came on it along with everything else (except strings).

David

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/12/2010:  06:46:09

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Some of your banjos are aging nicely. I attended a Lost and Found house concert in Boise last night. Ron Smith was playing a bone stock 1990 Golden Era. One of the best sounding banjos I have ever heard and I've been playing for 35 years. I talked to him a little and he said it just gets better all the time.

Ron, Thanks. That is good to hear. Aging is something that simply takes time, and until the years go by you can't really predict how things will age. I'm glad to hear that the 1990 Golden Era sounds great and keeps getting better. Excellent!

Wow, that's 20 years old now. 1990 doesn't feel that far behind us.... Although, that was before I was off the production line. So, I was still running between answering the phone and sanding and buffing the banjos when that banjo was made.... I guess that was a long time ago! .... I still wear my jogging shoes.

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/12/2010:  06:49:11

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Big Al, Good idea. We will get it set up to register your warranty on line. Haven't put that together yet, but we will. Thanks, Janet

Grey Dog - Posted - 03/12/2010:  06:53:34

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Hi Janet,

Any timeline on when the online "dealer pricing" with credit to a local dealer will be launched?

I attempted a Hartford way back when, but the variations in pricing everywhere was overwhelmingly frustrating (ie: close guy had an expensive one, far guy had a cheaper one, someone was even kind enough to offer me a damaged one at full price, etc). I had to lay off it for a bit. Dealing direct sounds very appealing.

Gomer - Posted - 03/12/2010:  08:10:33

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Hey Scott, best regards. I am all about best prices and grinding for the max deal, but these dealers have got to buy what they have in their showroom and pay rent on the shop. I don't mind beating up a dealer if I want to buy, but I would surely hate to have them get it from the other end. Banjos sound great, but you can't serve them for dinner. I think once you make a decision to be a factory ratherthan a shop, you need to support the dealers. Besides, part of the beauty of the prize is the hunt.

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Besides, part of the beauty of the prize is the hunt.

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True in every regard, but being up in NH doesn't give me many 'locals'.
If I were in Tennessee, it would be different.

Even priced the same, I like to take a banjo for a 'test run'. I love my Golden Era dearly. But I've played other Golden Eras that just didn't speak to me.

...and I can't agree that I was grinding: I really don't mind giving money to where it is deserved, and with Deering it is all very well-deserved. But the discrepancies were approaching differences of $800+. That's significant variation for the same banjo. Who's pocket was I lining??

Hmmmm....I'll think on it more. I was under the impression that the dealers still got some sort of credit to their store per purchase. It'd be odd to me for them to be listed for service and not compensated in some way. But I'm also not a business dog, either.

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BobCu - Posted - 03/13/2010:  05:55:10

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Yes, you can order a Walnut Vega Old Tyme Wonder, and it could be made with a grenadillo tone ring.

Actually, if you look at our price list, these items are on it - Walnut upgrade depending on the grade of the wood starts at $193 and the Hartford tone ring cost is $308. So, yes, you can order that.

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Hi Janet. A Vega with a grenadillo tone ring sounds pretty interesting. Have you built one and what was the sound like?
Thanks!

Banjo T - Posted - 03/13/2010:  11:14:24

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Thank You for the reply and your time. Will contact Carolina.

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/16/2010:  07:54:31

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Bob, Yes, we have built a Vega with a Hartford grenadillo tone ring. It sounded fantastic! Much like the Hartford banjo, but it was a bit lighter weight because it had shoes instead of the one piece flange. The customer was very happy with it and so were we.

Janet Deering - Posted - 03/16/2010:  08:00:35

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A quick note - Greg and I leave for England tomorrow. We will be at Eagle Music in Huddersfield, Yorkshire on Saturday for Eagle's Banjo 1000 Event. There will be banjo workshops during the day, and the afternoon Jens Kruger Banjo Master's Workshop is completely sold out. There will be a Kruger Brothers Concert in the evening that may still have some seats available.

After that, we will be in Frankfurt, Germany at the big Musikmesse Show. This show is one of the biggest music trade shows in the world and takes up several buildings of 3 stories in the huge Messe trade show complex.

With all my travels I'll be back in touch after Easter. In the meantime you can contact Carolina with any questions at info@Deeringbanjos.com or call her at 619-464-8252.

dbrooks - Posted - 03/16/2010:  16:18:32

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Janet, have a great trip overseas.

I am sending you another Wall Street Journal article that discusses companies using social networking sites for marketing purposes. They focus on Twitter, Facebook, etc., and the Hangout is a bit different. Still, you may find it offers some context for the excellent communications you are conducting here.

David

Jack Russel - Posted - 03/16/2010:  18:27:32

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Hi Janet

the weather has improved lately in northern england and it's now above freezing point for most of the day. Wrap up warm. Looking forward to seeing you soon.

BobCu - Posted - 03/27/2010:  12:43:03

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Wondering how the european trip went?

hexx - Posted - 03/28/2010:  10:17:16

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Wondering how the european trip went?

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....some latest info on the "Deering Events Calendar" dates up to October 3rd 2010
deeringbanjos.com/events

also video of The Kruger Brothers...and others players present at

'Eagle Music Shop' Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England [ March 20th ] Deering 'Banjo 1000' Event 2010

eaglemusicshop.com/blog/duelin...sic-shop/

...impromptu group rendition of 'Dueling Banjos'

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'Eagle Music Shop' Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England

eaglemusicshop.com/news.asp/id/128

Janet Deering - Posted - 04/05/2010:  07:56:55

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The European trip went great. We had a wonderful event at Eagle Music, in the North Light Gallery near his store with about two hundred people who came from all over the U.K.

Greg and I did a workshop talking about all the changes and innovations we have made in our banjos over the last few years and what these new enhancements provide to the banjoist. Jens Kruger came up and demonstrated many of the banjos for us and also answered questions.

Then Jens Kruger did a Master's Banjo Workshop which was sold out. He gave his insights to professional banjo musicianship and everyone who attended was very pleased at the valuable insights they gained from the workshop.

Greg and I kicked off the evening the Kruger Brothers concert with the presentation to Steve Noon of an award for being the top Deering Banjo dealer in the world and having sold more than 1,000 Deering banjos, which is why this was the 1000 Banjo Event. We awarded Steve Noon with the first Eagle Banjo which we made gold plated and engraved especially for Steve. This is the first time we have released a new banjo and awarded the 0001 serial number to anyone. Steve has certainly earned this award. He has more Deering, Vega, Goodtime and Tenbrooks banjos in stock than anywhere else in the world including the factory (because we keep shipping them out!).

The New Eagle banjo will be up on our website shortly. It features our new patent pending Deering Twenty-Ten tone ring. This new model is available only through our 6 Master Dealers at this time.

The Kruger Brothers concert brought many new people in the audience into the fold of appreciating the beauty of the banjo through hearing the dynamic and versatile music of Jens Kruger on banjo, who wove a journey through every genre of music and on to their original compositions created by Jens, Uwe and Joel of the Kruger Brothers. It ended in several encores and standing ovations. An amazing night to remember.

The Musikmesse Show in Frankfurt went very well. Sales are picking up. The show was much better than last year. It looks like the economy is clearly on a recovery on a world wide basis. It may not recover overnight back to where it was, but there is clearly an upward trend, however slowly, there is improvement. It is welcome to see that things are improving overall.

All in all, it was a wonderful trip and the weather was warmer than we expected. Spring is blossoming nicely in Europe.

dpete210 - Posted - 04/05/2010:  09:13:14

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Welcome back and thanks be all went well and everyone had a safe return.

Janet Deering - Posted - 04/08/2010:  08:52:16

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The new Eagle II Banjo is now up on our new website with photos and all the details.

We are very excited to release the new Twenty Ten Tone Ring in this new model and this completely new design of banjo.

I look forward to hearing what you think of it.

deeringbanjos.com

Gee, did I say there was something new about it?

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brundecarli - Posted - 04/08/2010:  09:11:26

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Thanks Janet for this new banjo.
I make an email to Steve of Eaglemusic for info.
I'm looking for a Sierra but this Eagle II is a serious upgrade.
B

Grinnin&Pickin - Posted - 04/08/2010:  09:28:15

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Hi Janet,

The new Eagle II banjo looks like quite a fine instrument. With the limited amount of dealers selling this model. will there be some sample sound files posted on the website to get a feel for the tonal qualities of this banjo?

Janet Deering - Posted - 04/09/2010:  08:47:08

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Yes, we will be putting up some sound files in a media tab on the Eagle page on our website shortly.

Having just returned, I need to see what I have from our whirlwind trip of Europe.

The first Eagles are still arriving at the Master Dealers, Al Worthen of Mountain Music in New York got his Eagle a few days ago and can tell you about it.

So far we have shipped out the first dozen Eagle banjos. Several went to Zenith Music in Australia who expects to have them through customs any day now. Others went to Eagle Music in England. More are going out this week.

We will be awarding an Eagle banjo as the first place prize at the Banjo Championship at Merlefest in two weeks.

There will also be an Eagle Banjo on display as a fund raising prize in the Silent Auction tent at Merlefest so you can check it out there.

Also, Greg and I will have an Eagle banjo along with all the banjos in our selection in the Vendor Tent at Merlefest so that you can compare the sound and feel of the new Eagle banjo with many of the other great models that we make.

We will be interested to hear your response to the new sound of our patent pending Twenty-ten tone ring and the Eagle design. I hope to see you there.

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