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thkidd - Posted - 11/06/2008: 08:30:14
I just read on the Bluegrass Blog (www.bluegrassblog.com) that Kenny Ingram is leaving Rhonda Vincent & The Rage, effective 12/31/08. Guitarist and vocalist Darrell Webb is also leaving at the same time.
This is very disappointing; I have truly enjoyed Kenny's picking while he was with Rhonda. Now I'm doubly disappointed that I didn't get to attend her show in Greensboro back in September. However, this is the nature of bluegrass musicians, so I wish him the very best in whatever he chooses to do in the future. Maybe he will fill us in when he's ready.
Darrell
"Measure your wealth not by the things you have but by the things for which you would not take money."
pickNgrin - Posted - 11/06/2008: 09:02:23
Wow.. that is kind of a bummer. I'm glad I got to see them together a couple of times.
I was wondering the other day why the lineup in most bluegrass bands tends to change over time (much more so than in other forms of music it seems). I was also wondering about something else... how fun would it be to be able to play at the pro level? Part of the fun for me is always having a challenge... a full plate of things I can't do... there is always something new to tackle and learn. At the pro level, it seems like it would get a little boring, especially as a Scruggs style player, once you have a mastery of the techniques, licks, backup, etc.
So, the conclusion I came to is bluegrass bands NEED to shuffle the lineup in order to keep the music fresh and interesting to the players. The musicians are no longer challenged by the instrument or the material... the game for them is to figure out how best to play within a certain group dynamic. Once they get that figured out, mastered if you will, then it is time to move on to a different group that has its own sound and its own set of challenges.
-matt
pick1936 - Posted - 11/06/2008: 09:09:38
He Could start His own band..
Nechville. In Higginsville.
pick the banjer son.
Lee Kelso
Possom - Posted - 11/06/2008: 09:14:40
is she now accepting applications for a replacement?
Just kiddin, im sad to hear that i wanted to catch them when they came to town next year. Wanted to see big kenny throw down on the 5 
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banjo-joe - Posted - 11/06/2008: 09:26:06
I can't imagine the Rage, without KI !!
I am sure she will find another banjer picker,
but to find one that will put up with Hunter, will
be the problem
Banjojoe
ninethirtyfive - Posted - 11/06/2008: 09:44:15
Sounds to me like she fired them !
any bets ......
Ronnie - Posted - 11/06/2008: 09:54:12
I am sure we will be hearing from Big K again soon. A banjoist of his demeanor won't be without work long!!
Kenny is a big boy! I wouldn't worry about him too much!!
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Edited by - Ronnie on 11/06/2008 11:43:52
ninethirtyfive - Posted - 11/06/2008: 09:57:38
I just hope it's not Roy Clark !
flake - Posted - 11/06/2008: 10:05:33
Ain't that a kick in the pants.
mike
Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?
DJMorgan - Posted - 11/06/2008: 10:07:45
It is indeed very sad news. IMO, there is no that can put drive into bluegrass more than Kenny. His picking is impecable. He is the master of taste, timing and tone. Most of all he is one of the kindest and sweetest guys in the world. He leaves behind big shoes to fill. I for one am sorry he is leaving. I wish him nothing but the very best.
Mimspicker - Posted - 11/06/2008: 10:17:08
Big K...say it ain't so. I was looking forward to seeing you in Palatka in February. Please lets us know what you will be doing. Hope to see you at a festival soon.
Bill
Mimspicker
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Palatino Upright Bass
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life"
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RB100 - Posted - 11/06/2008: 10:17:23
quote:
Originally posted by thkidd
I just read on the Bluegrass Blog (www.bluegrassblog.com) that Kenny Ingram is leaving Rhonda Vincent & The Rage, effective 12/31/08. Guitarist and vocalist Darrell Webb is also leaving at the same time.
This is very disappointing; I have truly enjoyed Kenny's picking while he was with Rhonda. Now I'm doubly disappointed that I didn't get to attend her show in Greensboro back in September. However, this is the nature of bluegrass musicians, so I wish him the very best in whatever he chooses to do in the future. Maybe he will fill us in when he's ready.
Darrell
"Measure your wealth not by the things you have but by the things for which you would not take money."
It is the nature of the business...think about Tom Adams and Michael Cleveland before Kenny and Hunter...I thought it would be difficult to maintain the level of professional performances, but Rhonda didn't miss a beat with Hunter and Kenny. My bet is that a new lineup will be put together and 'knock our socks off' next season AND Kenny and Darrell will be going strong as well.
Again, this is the nature of our business...think about the many permutations of Monroe, the Stanleys, and even Flatt and Scruggs. This version had a great run and I feel certain the next stage will as well - for all concerned.
My best wishes to all!
Bill
"I''ve been to Georgia on a fast train..." Shaver
North Georgia Bluegrass Chronicles
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silvioferretti - Posted - 11/06/2008: 10:27:59
The first time I saw RV&TR, at Claremore, Steve Sutton was playing banjo. And he rocked and had great interplay with Michael. So I don't think I'm gonna lose sleep over this change. I haven't been so much of a fan of the band in the past year or so anyway (besides loving the playing of Mickey, Hunter, and of course Kenny...)
"It was a wonderful party. BUT, it was not this one" (a friend of mine to a host)
Silvio Ferretti http://www.scorpionmusic.com
Edited by - silvioferretti on 11/06/2008 10:28:44
DJMorgan - Posted - 11/06/2008: 10:58:01
Rhonda Who?
Bill Rogers - Posted - 11/06/2008: 11:25:46
Well, if they're there till the end of the year, it doesn't sound like a precipitate breakup. Could be the end of the contract and they just want to get off the road. That happens. I wonder if John Mark Batchelor is looking for work again.
Bill
wannabepicker - Posted - 11/06/2008: 11:26:04
I'm disappointed because I bought tix for an April show mainly to see Big K!
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BANJ58 - Posted - 11/06/2008: 11:32:59
Hey Kenny!!! Now you can come to one of my jams. I will even put you up in my spare room.
Steve
"Doing what feels natural"
Every saint has a past and Every sinner has a future
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Dale Farmer - Posted - 11/06/2008: 12:14:27
Lineups seem to shuffle a lot more often when the band's name has a person's name out front of it. I can imagine a few reasons for that maybe.
Dale
lazyarcher - Posted - 11/06/2008: 12:36:04
Oh, I'm sure the outcome will be interesting...remember the big-band shuffle a few years ago...
Dave Jack
Retropicker - Posted - 11/06/2008: 13:56:03
quote:
Originally posted by Ronnie
I think Bill Monroe went through about 70 banjo pickers.
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Which year?
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Banjoman - Posted - 11/06/2008: 14:13:58
I got a phone call from Ronda and I will be replacing Kenny on 1-1-09
Hugh
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Bruce4501 - Posted - 11/06/2008: 14:55:13
Hearing this news about Rhonda's banjo and guitar player leaving, makes me wonder what the "buzz" was like 60 years (had the net been around) when a CERTAIN banjo picker from North Carolina and a CERTAIN guitar picker from Tennessee, left a CERTAIN band led by a mandolin player from Kentucky???????
coincidence????????.......or is history repeating it's self???
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
Bruce
JackJack - Posted - 11/06/2008: 14:55:33
quote:
Originally posted by Banjoman
TRICK! LOL
Hugh, just a suggestion. A pause in between your posts might have worked a bit better.
Take for example....
"This is what my friend said to me; he said, "Guess what I like? Mashed potatoes." It's like,"Dude. you have to give me time to guess. If you're gonna quiz me, you have to insert a pause." - Mitch Hedberg
Just a suggestion, that's all.
Flying Eagle - Posted - 11/06/2008: 14:58:30
quote:
Originally posted by ninethirtyfive
Sounds to me like she fired them ! any bets ......
She fired Darrell Webb? Wow... just wow. Hard to understand why anyone would do that unless he's extremely hard to get along with or he smells bad. That guy is awesome! Same for Kenny. He's a legend. I can't see anyone firing him unless there was some real bad blood for some reason.
Whatever the case, neither of them got fired because there's a better replacement.
A whipporwill call is just a reminder,
Pretty girls have hearts made of stone.
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 11/06/2008: 15:52:42
quote:
Originally posted by Flying Eagle
quote:
Originally posted by ninethirtyfive
Sounds to me like she fired them ! any bets ......
She fired Darrell Webb? Wow... just wow. Hard to understand why anyone would do that unless he's extremely hard to get along with or he smells bad. That guy is awesome! Same for Kenny. He's a legend. I can't see anyone firing him unless there was some real bad blood for some reason.
Whatever the case, neither of them got fired because there's a better replacement.
Nowhere in the story does it say she fired them. That was just one person's interpretation. Might be the case, but we shouldn't take guesswork as fact.
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 11/06/2008 15:56:08
Mimspicker - Posted - 11/06/2008: 17:52:03
In my opinion they were not fired. Rhonda is a good businesswoman and has a good head on her shoulders. When she "fires" someone it's immediate. Rhonda wouldn't wait until December 31, and make an announcement in November if she were firing them. Big K and Darrell are probably leaving to pursue other interests or some other just as valid reason.
Mimspicker
1981 Stelling Whitestar
Martin D-1R
Palatino Upright Bass
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life"
Berthold Auerbach, 1812-1882
ninethirtyfive - Posted - 11/06/2008: 18:07:47
McDaris
will be the new banjo player for Rhonda Vincent and Kenny & Darrell were fired , this came as a shock to both of them !
gottasmilealot - Posted - 11/06/2008: 18:10:44
As with many personnel changes, rumors abound. No use getting caught up in it, Kenny is a participant here, and I'm sure if he wants to post about it, he will, and if he doesn't...well, that's ok too. It's the time of year for contract changes, personnel cahnges, and studio work. LIke Forrest Gump said, you just never know what you're gonna get.
Keith
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steve davis - Posted - 11/06/2008: 18:13:54
I don't seem to have a need to know the inner workings of their business.
"If it sounds good..."
lethegoodtimesroll - Posted - 11/06/2008: 18:19:30
it really doesnt matter why these people left. Kenny is a member here.Please dont ask him to explain why he left..it's his business..period
teddy schug - Posted - 11/06/2008: 19:32:47
I figure if Kenny want's us to know he will tell us, I agree with lethegoodtimesroll why pry into someone's business, I really don't care why he is leaving it's his business and not anyone hear on the hangout's.
TR Dockery - Posted - 11/06/2008: 19:51:20
quote:
Originally posted by Banjoman
I got a phone call from Ronda and I will be replacing Kenny on 1-1-09
Hugh
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TR Dockery - Posted - 11/06/2008: 19:56:09
quote:
Originally posted by JackJack
quote:
Originally posted by Banjoman
TRICK! LOL
Hugh, just a suggestion. A pause in between your posts might have worked a bit better.
Take for example....
"This is what my friend said to me; he said, "Guess what I like? Mashed potatoes." It's like,"Dude. you have to give me time to guess. If you're gonna quiz me, you have to insert a pause." - Mitch Hedberg
Just a suggestion, that's all.
Raggin' on moderators--life on the edge!
As for the topic at hand, I should think Kenny could fire anybody he wants.
Edited by - TR Dockery on 11/06/2008 19:59:22
pick1936 - Posted - 11/06/2008: 21:32:05
He will be back,, He is to great not to.
Nechville. In Higginsville'
pick the banjer son.
Lee Kelso
daz - Posted - 11/06/2008: 22:05:48
Big K is leaving to pack tone ring moulds for Burlap
hot off the press from Grich
Daz
The earth can provide for all mans needs,
But not for all his greeds
silvioferretti - Posted - 11/06/2008: 23:33:02
As always with changes in bands the real professionals won't say a word about the whys and hows, because they are real professionals. Makes sense, don't it? I remember when Mike Bub was fired by Del McCoury: he never said a word about it (except to his close friends of course, maybe, and then they are pros too), he even thanked Del when he did his speech in being awarded bass player of the year at IBMA, and he was obviously very emotional about that. Kenny would never come out and talk about this incident, or maybe he would say it was his decision even if it wasn't. So let's talk about what a great banjo player he is, RV or not, and remember that a job is a job, no matter how much fun one can get out of it. BTW, for my personal taste I'd rather listen to the stuff that Kenny cut with The Nashville Grass (medium tempo and old-fashioned tasteful) than to some of the uselessly (to me) 90 mph numbers he had to do with RV&TR. Just my taste of course.
"Conversation like television set on wedding night: not necessary!" (Peter Sellers on "Murder by Death")
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Edited by - silvioferretti on 11/06/2008 23:34:49
jpoulette - Posted - 11/07/2008: 01:44:17
quote:
Originally posted by DJMorgan
Rhonda Who?
My thoughts exactly. Kenny's a great banjo player - he'll excell and prosper whever he deceides to land. Stuff I''m working on
lazyarcher - Posted - 11/07/2008: 05:06:10
quote:
Originally posted by silvioferretti
As always with changes in bands the real professionals won't say a word about the whys and hows, because they are real professionals. Silvio Ferretti http://www.scorpionmusic.com
Well said Silvio. Mr.Ingram is the model of professionalism.
I liked Rhonda V and the Rage, but I don't think they allowed him to shine to his true potential...nobody can play all the backup stuff like him (except maybe Crowe and Earl who are on par
). I'm excited about the possibility that Kennys next position will allow him to turn loose all his real bluegrass stuff that puts him in the top banjo players of all time.
Dave Jack
justagrinin - Posted - 11/07/2008: 05:30:47
I'm with you Dave, I always felt that Kenny didn't get to really kick in and show his skills as much as I'd like to see. Many times I've thought that when he'd start to take a break I would think now here we go, but it was way to short of a break for me. But then I do like the sound of the Banjo
I hope he gets with a real good group if he is wanting to continue playing on the road that is.
" David "
Edited by - justagrinin on 11/07/2008 05:31:30
Just Bill - Posted - 11/07/2008: 05:51:48
I'm sorry to hear Kenny is leaving, but I'm confident things will work out for all concerned, including the fans.
From a personal standpoint, I'm glad it isn't effective until 12/31 because I get to introduce them on stage at a bluegrass festival next weekend (11/15). I've never had the pleasure of seeing The Rage in person or meeting Kenny face to face, although we've visited on line a time or two. Having them at our Four Corner States Bluegrass Festival and Fiddle Championship in Wickenburg, AZ this weekend will be very special, indeed.
Bill Breen
Proud to be a "MURPHY HENRY-ITE"
"If you ain''t different, you ain''t normal!"
Edited by - Just Bill on 11/07/2008 05:53:22
thkidd - Posted - 11/07/2008: 06:02:31
quote:
Originally posted by pickNgrin
Wow.. that is kind of a bummer. I'm glad I got to see them together a couple of times.
I was wondering the other day why the lineup in most bluegrass bands tends to change over time (much more so than in other forms of music it seems). I was also wondering about something else... how fun would it be to be able to play at the pro level? Part of the fun for me is always having a challenge... a full plate of things I can't do... there is always something new to tackle and learn. At the pro level, it seems like it would get a little boring, especially as a Scruggs style player, once you have a mastery of the techniques, licks, backup, etc.
So, the conclusion I came to is bluegrass bands NEED to shuffle the lineup in order to keep the music fresh and interesting to the players. The musicians are no longer challenged by the instrument or the material... the game for them is to figure out how best to play within a certain group dynamic. Once they get that figured out, mastered if you will, then it is time to move on to a different group that has its own sound and its own set of challenges.
-matt
I'm with Matt. I think that playing the same songs night after night would have to get pretty old after awhile, especially when you're as good a picker as Kenny. A change of scenery and a change of pace would probably be very welcome after 7 years with the same group. We see it all the time, no matter how great the group is, people just want to do something different after awhile.
While it's certainly possible that Kenny's and Darrell's contracts weren't renewed for 2009, I would be very surprised if this were the case. She obviously couldn't find a better banjo picker. Whatever the case, I hope we will all respect their privacy and not speculate on the reason for their leaving.
Darrell
"Measure your wealth not by the things you have but by the things for which you would not take money."
southerndrifter - Posted - 11/07/2008: 06:16:30
quote:
Originally posted by Bruce4501
Hearing this news about Rhonda's banjo and guitar player leaving, makes me wonder what the "buzz" was like 60 years (had the net been around) when a CERTAIN banjo picker from North Carolina and a CERTAIN guitar picker from Tennessee, left a CERTAIN band led by a mandolin player from Kentucky???????
coincidence????????.......or is history repeating it's self???
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
Bruce
I know one fella who stayed pissed off about that change for a long, long time!!
Lynwood Lunsford
If we had some ham, we could have some ham & eggs.........if we had some eggs!
Matteo - Posted - 11/07/2008: 06:53:31
quote:
Originally posted by silvioferretti
BTW, for my personal taste I'd rather listen to the stuff that Kenny cut with The Nashville Grass (medium tempo and old-fashioned tasteful) than to some of the uselessly (to me) 90 mph numbers he had to do with RV&TR. Just my taste of course.
As much as I love RV&R, and I apreciate all of the members, I agree with Silvio.
Some of those late 70s stuff they cut is just plain great...and then, they had The Seck
Matt.
http://www.lambergrass.comhttp://www.myspace.com/banjoboymatt
strang - Posted - 11/07/2008: 08:44:48
quote:
Originally posted by Just Bill
[br I've never had the pleasure of seeing The Rage in person
Rhonda is smokin hot !!!
There, I said it
Bluegrass - THE Original Country Music!
Bill Rogers - Posted - 11/07/2008: 09:03:42
A point to make, which may or may not apply here (I neither know nor care): There is a difference (however subtle) between being fired and not having a new contract offered.
Bill
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