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southerndrifter - Posted - 11/07/2008: 09:55:35
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers
A point to make, which may or may not apply here (I neither know nor care): There is a difference (however subtle) between being fired and not having a new contract offered.
Bill
I agree Bill. I guess the end result is the same but the surrounding circumstances are usually completely different!
It's kinda like what a tornado and a West Virginia divorce have in common...........in both cases, somebody is probably gonna lose a mobile home!!
Lynwood Lunsford
If we had some ham, we could have some ham & eggs.........if we had some eggs!
Edited by - southerndrifter on 11/07/2008 09:57:37
chickenpickin - Posted - 11/07/2008: 10:05:56
quote:
Originally posted by southerndrifter
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers
A point to make, which may or may not apply here (I neither know nor care): There is a difference (however subtle) between being fired and not having a new contract offered.
Bill
I agree Bill. I guess the end result is the same but the surrounding circumstances are usually completely different!
It's kinda like what a tornado and a West Virginia divorce have in common...........in both cases, somebody is probably gonna lose a mobile home!!
Lynwood Lunsford
If we had some ham, we could have some ham & eggs.........if we had some eggs!
LOL!!! That's a good one , Lynwood. I gotta remember that one!
Tim
Happy Pickin'' from the Chicken
chrome - Posted - 11/07/2008: 10:12:09
I'm with Matt. I think that playing the same songs night after night would have to get pretty old after awhile, especially when you're as good a picker as Kenny. A change of scenery and a change of pace would probably be very welcome after 7 years with the same group
Man, I couldn't say it better myself.....It's torture!!!!!!!!!!
myfavefive - Posted - 11/07/2008: 10:28:03
We should just consider ourselves lucky to have had Kenny come out of semi-retirement for as many years as he did with the Rage, and remind us what straight ahead driving banjo is all about.
Prior to Kenny, I too remember Steve Sutton and especially Tom Adams holding down the banjo spot in the Rage with class & style. Rhonda's made changes like this all her career, so this is just part of her prerogative as band leader.
Let's hope that a) Kenny finds at least a semi-steady paycheck coming in soon, and b) we still get to hear that Williams banjo played the way only Kenny can.
Tom
kris_rasnake - Posted - 11/07/2008: 11:25:16
quote:
Originally posted by myfavefive
We should just consider ourselves lucky to have had Kenny come out of semi-retirement for as many years as he did with the Rage, and remind us what straight ahead driving banjo is all about.
I totally agree, Big K proved his point years ago!!!
Kris
silvioferretti - Posted - 11/07/2008: 15:02:00
I wouldn't insist so much on the "problem" of doing the same songs over and over, night after night. It's what all professional musicians do, and the great ones like Kenny always manage to put something fresh and inventive here and there, and show the listener that they are not bored. Also, with the heavy output of CDs that RV had in the past few years, I don't think the odds of actually playing the very same songs night after night are very high. Getting burned out may be easy for younger player who come to success kind of overnight, but not so much for consummate professional performers like Kenny, IMO.
"Conversation like television set on wedding night: not necessary!" (Peter Sellers on "Murder by Death")
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1935tb-11 - Posted - 11/07/2008: 16:29:21
Hey Silvio: Hope all is well in Italy. I agree totally with you. Playing the same songs nite after nite would drive anybody CRAZY!!! I don't see how Sonny did it for 50 years without totally losing his mind. Also agree with the Nashville sound, I had the chance to talk with Kenny 3 different times and he is just a regular guy like us except he is a monster on the banjo. I know he will land on his feet regardless of what ever reason he is leaving. Maybe him and Darrell will pick up a couple of great singers and start their own outfit. I'll be sure to be listening!! This is just my $1.35 cents worth. (don't know what the conversion chart is on money now) hahahaha!
Terry M
N.C.
4 longs and 1 short=banjer ring
Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 11/07/2008 16:31:07
savzac - Posted - 11/07/2008: 17:15:29
Yeah I hope that Darrell and Kenny will do something themselves, that's my two favorites from the group. Getting a fresh new start is always a little scary for everyone but I have been listening to Kenny more and more over the last year and I love the straight forward, "old school" banjo picking he does, love it!
For the guy to be such an "average joe" and get on the hangout with us, even have had him in the chatroom and picking a little bit for us, well that just shows the character of the man, great guy.
I wish him the best and I hope he starts a thread on here letting his friends / fans know what his next project is, who knows, he might be in need of a break big time!
RK-80 #27
Ebanjo - Posted - 11/07/2008: 17:34:08
I agree with Silvio about the stuff Kenny cut with Flatt. It was great music. I also like the Jimmy Martin recordings Kenny played on too. He is a great banjo player who has never got the credit he deserves. He'll always be right up there with Earl, J.D., Sonny, and Bill Emerson as far as I'm concerned. Just my $1.35 worth (as Terry M.says).
Eric Ellis
Arthur Hatfield - Posted - 11/07/2008: 17:57:14
Eric I agree 100% with everything you said and about all the same guys you named, glad to see that someone else sees things the same way I do that it is about playing the banjo instead of just how many fancy licks can be played and at how fast a speed.
Arthur Hatfield
HATFIELD BANJO''S
GLASGOW, KY 42141
(270)646-5219
BANJO WEBSITE WWW.HATFIELDBANJOS.COM
EMAIL HATFIELDBANJOS@SCRTC.COM
WVChuck - Posted - 11/08/2008: 09:26:28
Hey Lynnwood, you got taken off my favorite banjo picker list............not for the West Virginia joke but for not telling me about losing my mobile home before the divorc
.
Oh heck, your back on. The trailer was old and so was she
.
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wannabepicker - Posted - 11/08/2008: 10:04:05
Here's hoping Big K doesn't sit out for long.
Anybody else heard that McDaris is joining the Rage?
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stringbreaker - Posted - 11/08/2008: 11:03:14
She'll get a better banjo player now
1935tb-11 - Posted - 11/08/2008: 11:20:43
BULL#%&*
terry m
n.c.
4 longs and 1 short=banjer ring
Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 11/08/2008 11:21:55
JoeZ - Posted - 11/08/2008: 14:39:26
Replacements have been selected already, per Rhonda. Oh, well. I was all ready to audition . . .
"Someday I will play as well as my banjos sound"
Joe Z
tarheel - Posted - 11/08/2008: 14:57:02
rhonda lord love her the last time i seen her she jumped up and flung her arms around me poor little thang she dont hardly weigh 100 pound put her hand in mypoket lookin for candy i always keep some in ther for them girls didnt mentin anything about kennyg dont he play a obo or flute or somethin
"Cherished Member"
RONLD - Posted - 11/08/2008: 18:11:57
Yada, yada, the fact is Big K can take a break from the road, as good as a hot break on a banjo! His choice to take some time away to be sure- let us show the man some love &
the respect he deserves. As for R. Vincent , she is a class act all the way. I am sure she cherishes her time with the legendary Kenny Ingram- my best to both. Thanks to both for the fantastic bluegrass music that they have blessed us with together. "Roll on big K"........
Job 33:4 - Fitch fan #1
Don Borchelt - Posted - 11/08/2008: 19:18:20
Bill wrote: "There is a difference (however subtle) between being fired and not having a new contract offered."
Having been there once, in my daytime career back in 1982, I can tell you that the difference is VERY subtle.
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Edited by - Don Borchelt on 11/08/2008 19:19:40
The Pope - Posted - 11/08/2008: 19:21:58
I notice from Rhonda's web page their last date is 11-23 so I guess they're taking December off for working in the new guys...
Anyone know who they are yet?
The Pope
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"Learn a few chords on the banjo, it''s the key to life."
Vince Gill
Arthur Hatfield - Posted - 11/08/2008: 20:13:20
Aaron McDarris on banjo dont know about guitar. Wouldnt you hate to be in his shoes with every banjo picker watching you for any tiny bobble to compare your picking to Kenny but Kenny didnt play a lot of his hardest very best stuff that he is capable of doing that he done with Lester Flatt and Jimmy Martin all of the great up the neck backup. In my opinion the ones who have only heard Kenny play with Rhonda have never heard him at his best. Her style of music just doesnt require the very best he is capable of. Will be a hard job to fill his shoes.
Arthur Hatfield
HATFIELD BANJO''S
GLASGOW, KY 42141
(270)646-5219
BANJO WEBSITE WWW.HATFIELDBANJOS.COM
EMAIL HATFIELDBANJOS@SCRTC.COM
wretchasketch - Posted - 11/09/2008: 05:49:10
quote:
In my opinion the ones who have only heard Kenny play with Rhonda have never heard him at his best. Her style of music just doesnt require the very best he is capable of. Will be a hard job to fill his shoes.
Right on.
silvioferretti - Posted - 11/09/2008: 08:52:38
Yep, and you can hear every note he plays as he can drive the sound right to the mic, no matter how far from it he is. However, if you want to hear what "drive" means on slower numbers, check out the Folkways - Smithsonian website and get a copy of the "China Grove, my hometown" CD by The Nashville Grass: Kenny is at his best there, IMO.
"Conversation like television set on wedding night: not necessary!" (Peter Sellers on "Murder by Death")
Silvio Ferretti http://www.scorpionmusic.com
Ebanjo - Posted - 11/09/2008: 16:03:42
Arthur, I appreciate what you said, even though I left one name off that list of players and hope you'll agree with this. I forgot Allen Shelton. You said a lot when you made the point about not playing fancy and fast. It's about playing what fits the song you're playing at the time.
Derek, thanks for the compliment, but I think I'll keep my old day job, at least for another 10 years. You all have a nice day.
Eric Ellis
Arthur Hatfield - Posted - 11/09/2008: 17:35:53
Eric I do agree that Allen Shelton is one of the great pickers.
Arthur Hatfield
HATFIELD BANJO''S
GLASGOW, KY 42141
(270)646-5219
BANJO WEBSITE WWW.HATFIELDBANJOS.COM
EMAIL HATFIELDBANJOS@SCRTC.COM
SJL - Posted - 11/09/2008: 20:30:25
I saw The Rage earlier this year. I drove a couple of hours to do so, the show was in lazyarcher's hometown and I visited with him prior to the show, but didn't talk about it too much afterward as I had to get on the road home. While we were not seated together, we both had great seats. I went because of Kenny and I wasn't disappointed. But I agree with Dave, I found myself wanting to hear more of Kenny. But, I guess we have to keep in mind that it is Rhonda Vincent and The Rage, she is the headliner and the rest of the band is there to support her. They all did a great job of it.
What I will say is that Kenny is one of the nicest people that I have ever met. I am as glad that I had a chance to speak with him as to hear him pick.
Maybe Kenny will start a band of his own where he can really cut loose. I would sure support it.
"If the woman is alive at the end of the song, it ain''t Bluegrass".
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robbif - Posted - 11/10/2008: 04:46:18
quote:
...Allen Shelton is one of the great pickers.
I agree. I was lucky enough to get a personal recording of him in 1969...
http://frobbi.org/walker.html
bluemusic4us - Posted - 11/10/2008: 16:30:37
quote:
Originally posted by robbif
This is the one that always sticks in my mind...Kenny's driving sound...
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?...nel=44177732
Kenny sounds great in this video.
I was noticing that Rhonda isn't playing any chords. Just muting the strings and chopping. It seems to work.
eagleisland - Posted - 11/10/2008: 17:03:09
quote:
Originally posted by bluemusic4us
quote:
Originally posted by robbif
This is the one that always sticks in my mind...Kenny's driving sound...
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?...nel=44177732
Kenny sounds great in this video.
I was noticing that Rhonda isn't playing any chords. Just muting the strings and chopping. It seems to work.
Sure seems to. I know just enough about this stuff to be dangerous. But if anyone knows the details, tell me:
I'm guessing, based on the perfect balance of the instrumentation, that this was essentially a lip-sync. Alternatively, the apparent single-mic setup wasn't quite what it seemed and several of the instruments - notably bass and bano - were picked up and balanced in.
Anyone care to share?
eagleisland
"I was halfway to Old Kentucky when the drugs began to kick in." - Hunter S. Monroe
Timeless1952 - Posted - 11/10/2008: 18:26:28
There was no lip-sync done on this video. This is exacty the way it was recorded with nothing added. The single mic setup was all we were using back then in early 2004. If you can do it this way, it gets mixed on stage by the band and not the sound man. 
Hope this helps.
K
Banjophobic - Posted - 11/10/2008: 18:45:28
And that my friends, is as good solid scruggs banjo work as you'll hear-period.
PyrPups - Posted - 11/10/2008: 19:04:24
Always loved the single mike set up! Solid! Best of luck Kenny in the future!
Kerry
banjoken - Posted - 11/10/2008: 19:28:30
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers
A point to make, which may or may not apply here (I neither know nor care): There is a difference (however subtle) between being fired and not having a new contract offered.
Bill
How about having a contract offered and just saying no. Perhaps it was Kenny's decision.
Banjocoltrane - Posted - 11/10/2008: 20:09:51
They were fired because Rhonda wanted someone to jump with her at the end of a song........and they refused to do it
savzac - Posted - 11/10/2008: 21:06:18
Good to hear you stepping in and making a comment Kenny. You have a lot of fans here man, hope you can keep us up to speed and what you might be doing next, well anything that isn't too personal that you feel you can tell us... Thanks.
RK-80 #27
stringman711 - Posted - 11/10/2008: 21:13:50
I saw Kenny this past weekend in Springfield , IL. I saw him first in June, 1977 in Bean Blossom, IN with Lester Flatt. Other than to say hello on several occasions when our two groups would be working together, I never talked with Kenny very much. His playing spoke volumes to me. I've worked with some of the best in the business, and have been around, and became close friends with many of the great players in this business. There is, in my opinion, only a small handfull of players that can be called the best. Names like Earl, Don, Sonny, J.D., head that list. Kenny Ingram, to me has a place there too. He simply, does it right. No shortcuts. He has been one of the most inspiring players to me, and I hope all the best, for one of the best, Kenny Ingram.
dana
R.T. - Posted - 11/10/2008: 21:17:26
Thanks for the comments Kenny. Best of luck , always loved your banjo playing.
Hey Dana, took your advice and have one ordered.
BANJOS ARE FUN
Ron Terrell
Edited by - R.T. on 11/10/2008 21:19:36
stringman711 - Posted - 11/10/2008: 21:33:16
Hey Ron, Which Ring?
dana
R.T. - Posted - 11/10/2008: 21:37:34
Dana, going with the blaylock with an option of changing it out. Figure I couldn't go wrong with a deal like that. Take care.
R.T.
BANJOS ARE FUN
Ron Terrell
stringman711 - Posted - 11/10/2008: 21:38:57
I think you made a good choice.
dana
eagleisland - Posted - 11/11/2008: 04:30:30
quote:
Originally posted by Timeless1952
There was no lip-sync done on this video. This is exacty the way it was recorded with nothing added. The single mic setup was all we were using back then in early 2004. If you can do it this way, it gets mixed on stage by the band and not the sound man.
Hope this helps.
Then I am even MORE impressed. It's such a phenomenal recording.
Thanks for getting back, Kenny - and I think it's safe to say that ALL of us are eagerly awaiting news of your next project!
eagleisland
"I was halfway to Old Kentucky when the drugs began to kick in." - Hunter S. Monroe
Rounder 0044 - Posted - 11/11/2008: 05:47:05
Here is some vintage Kenny:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UT2JUkwMobI
Also on the single microphone set-up back in 2004, looks like that was an Audio Technica 4033. One of the original ones that kinda started the "single mic." revolution! I'm glad to say that I finally got one of those 4033's for our hobby band. Now if I just could get those banjo sounds into the mic like Kenny!
Kenny, please keep us Hangout folks abreast of your next move.
Thanks,
Mark
www.canecreek.net
banjoken - Posted - 11/11/2008: 08:15:24
quote:
Originally posted by bluemusic4us
I was noticing that Rhonda isn't playing any chords. Just muting the strings and chopping. It seems to work.
Pulse of the train!
mastertone250 - Posted - 11/12/2008: 13:24:34
So if Arron Mc Darris(BOO) is replacing K. then whos gonna play banjo for the grascals?
Baby Earl
jbjo - Posted - 11/12/2008: 14:12:20
Rick Allred replaces Kristen-it's on bluegrassblog.com-cool website-all should check it out
James
Gibson Archtop
"Wipe ''Yo Feets"
1935tb-11 - Posted - 11/13/2008: 17:55:28
welcome to the BHO dana, i just realized you
were on here. i tell ya fellas we are getting
some great musicians sitting in on this website .
dana is on of the best all around pickers in the biz.
i have always admired how he can go from one instrument
to another.
dana, do you have a version of MY LAST DAYS ON EARTH onCD somewhere?
P. S. rick allred is one of the most solid scruggs players around these parts. i got to do a show with him on the 4th of july and really enjoyed
his banjo work.
terry m
n.c.
4 longs and 1 short=banjer ring
Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 11/13/2008 17:59:04
RB3Deering - Posted - 11/13/2008: 21:14:38
It seems like every time you turn around, members of Rhonda's group are leaving. This also includes Michael Cleveland and many others before the latest to leave, Darrell and Kenny. To me, it doesn't seem like she has had a band of all the same musicians for more than 3 years (some individual musicians of the Rage have been there longer). It seems that she has had more turnover than any other bluegrass band currently touring and/or recording.
Why is this the case?
Wesley Lewis
CPA, CIA, CFSA & CFE
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