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Kemo Sabe,
Thanks for the great list and for the new ideas. I have a dumb question but I need to ask it. Are all the chord progessions similar only in the sequence the chords follow each other or are they also similiar in how long (how many measures) each chord lasts?
Thanks for helping me learn.
Ken Hydinger
Ken
Bloomington, Indiana
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I have put the list on a Excel File. It you want let me know and this will help with searching and such.
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Originally posted by From Greylock to Bean Blossom
Kemo Sabe,
Thanks for the great list and for the new ideas. I have a dumb question but I need to ask it. Are all the chord progessions similar only in the sequence the chords follow each other or are they also similiar in how long (how many measures) each chord lasts?
Thanks for helping me learn.
Ken Hydinger
Ken
Bloomington, Indiana
Phil,
Thanks for your explanation. So much of trying to learn the banjo has felt like groping in the dark and had been hit and miss. I am just learing to really use this web site. Information like you are giving makes me feel like I am getting direction and a path. Again thanks for your time and your sharing.
Ken
Ken
Bloomington, Indiana
Sort of on or off topic was reading the other day that in a two or three chord tune or song if the melody or notes or singing are going down in pitch you switch to a IV chord and if they are going up you switch to a V chord and you generally end the part in the key or I chord tho that is not cast in iron.
Was wondering if that is true for the minors II and VI chords. To the II going down and VI going up. Just asking. Are we ever going to win earing it. Still my primary thrust.
Don
Edited by - hendrid on 10/11/2009 07:39:33
I see tunes that I'd like to play, Country Fake Book for example, but they're written in keys which are really obscure for me.
Transcribe carefully with Final Notepad ($10.00 online). Play it with midi.
Next, back up in the software and select the key. One click and it's transposed to G or whatever else you like.
HINT: There may be a way to start on a fresh staff for chorus but I find it far simpler to write and name verse and chorus as two seperate files.
Then, I can play it and the I, IV, V sort of chord changes are easier for me to hear and anticipate.
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Edited by - Brian T on 10/11/2009 09:10:24
Very nice great information and very useful
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I see tunes that I'd like to play, Country Fake Book for example, but they're written in keys which are really obscure for me.
Phil,
I was just looking at your "Chords" thread , topic: Two Chords songs.
I play bass for a group on Tuesday night, and one individual sings "Waltz across Texas", and "Jambalya" pretty regular. It never dawned on me that they were only two chord songs! I never even thought about it, and now I'm chuckling to myself. I need to pay more attention!
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Phil,
I was just looking at your "Chords" thread , topic: Two Chords songs.
I play bass for a group on Tuesday night, and one individual sings "Waltz across Texas", and "Jambalya" pretty regular. It never dawned on me that they were only two chord songs! I never even thought about it, and now I'm chuckling to myself. I need to pay more attention!
Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 11/01/2009 05:55:51
Next step is to put all the 1-4-1-5 and 1-5-4 and 1-4-1-4-1-4-1-5 Jimmy Buffet type chord progressions into a single chord progression in your mind: 1-4-5 songs.
The fastest way to do that is strum/pluck your way through a lot of songs so you see how it works in songs, not in theory. Don't learn leads or breaks or even melody. Just play the chords to 100 (2 weeks) or 1000 (3 months) different songs out of as many songbooks as possible.
I recognize 4 major chord progressions.
1-4-5 which includes any progression that only uses these chords as well as their related minors which means a song like Michael Row the Boat Ashore is still a 1-4-5 song even though it uses Em and Am and Bm (in the key of G). Doing this relative minor thing with major chords is one of the keys to improv. I like thinking 1-4-5 because if I hear a chord change and it isn't minor, then I only have two choices.
The next common progression is the 2-5. This doesn't mean the song just uses those chords, it means that in addition to the 1-4-5 chords, it uses the 2 chord and it almost always is followed by the 5 chord.
The extension of this is what I call ragtime progression or the circle of fifths (even though 1-4-5 and 2-5 are also on the circle). This is the one that works for Don't Let Your Deal Go Down, Salty Dog, Five Foot Two and many others. Jump ahead 3 or 4 notches and work your way back. C E A D G C is Five Foot Two. Notice if you start that same progression with G instead of C, you get Salty Dog.
The final progression is the 1-3-4 (G-B-C or D-F#-G) found in Pallet On Your Floor, Tennessee Waltz and the Eagle's Take It to the Limit.
By parsing the actual chord progressions into categories, it makes it easier for me to recognize more patterns without having to do a lot of memorization.
Start with the 1-4-5 memorization scheme for any typical song and then when you are at a jam, all you have to do is ask what the weird chord is and it will be the 2 or the 3 or a minor chord.
This approach is similar for minor key songs. For modal tunes, I go counterclockwise on the circle of fifths.
Mike Moxcey
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Phil, others -
I cleaned up Kemo Sabe's original post and placed the web page here:
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I think it's a little easier to read and navigate this way. I also added a Nashville Numbers "cheat sheet" at the top. Here's hoping it's of use...
If there's general consensus that this is a better way to maintain this information, I'm happy to share edit privileges with Phil to share appropriately.
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Originally posted by minstrelmike
......The fastest way to do that is strum/pluck your way through a lot of songs so you see how it works in songs, not in theory. Don't learn leads or breaks or even melody. Just play the chords to 100 (2 weeks) or 1000 (3 months) different songs out of as many songbooks as possible.
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Mike Moxcey
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Thanks for the renewing this thread. After three years of playing I've found this post one of the most helpful of any I've seen. Sure wish I would have seen the original.
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Thanks for the renewing this thread. After three years of playing I've found this post one of the most helpful of any I've seen. Sure wish I would have seen the original.
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spaz,
You are exactly right from what I see and hear on 'I Know You're Married But I Love You Still'. It has two primary chords (I & V) but the verse also has a II chord:
Verse: I II V I V I
Chorus: I V I
I have noticed (and had long discussions in another thread) that very often in this music a II chord is followed by the V chord. It is an interesting thread - with other nice little observations about chords, etc. The point on that thread was real simple: When you play the II chord ....get ready for the V chord in many, many instances. Someone in the thread pointed out that the II Chord resolves to the V chord.... it's more fun playing it than discussing the theroy.
Here is that thread if you want to take a look: banjohangout.org/topic/165916
Thanks for your post. I'm glad you come back to review this thread - I do it too my friend.
Phil
Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 12/29/2009 11:07:04
Kemo Sabe this may be a little off topic but I've seen you post about BIAB and I have had a thought (I know that is scary). I was thinking that it would be nice to have a library of BIAB files with all the songs you have in your list here. Maybe it could be similiar to the tablature section. It takes me a long time to make my own files especially if I don't know the song very well. I know there are several available to download from I believe Eric but there are many more that could be done by knowledge members here.
Just a thought,
Ken
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Kemo Sabe this may be a little off topic but I've seen you post about BIAB and I have had a thought (I know that is scary). I was thinking that it would be nice to have a library of BIAB files with all the songs you have in your list here. Maybe it could be similiar to the tablature section. It takes me a long time to make my own files especially if I don't know the song very well. I know there are several available to download from I believe Eric but there are many more that could be done by knowledge members here.
Just a thought,
Ken
Phil I appreciate the useful thoughts you posted above on BIAB. I know I should spend more time learning how to make it work for me.
As you said it helps to know the song really well before you try to enter it and I guess that is why I wish there were more songs already formatted. I have been listening to bluegrass for almost four years now but I still don't know that many songs so when I hear one I want to learn or to be able to play backup to in a jam I like to take my guitar and play rhythm along with BIAB until I get the chord progression memorized and can play in time with it. So I guess this the other side of the coin where you use it to learn songs you don't know.
Ken
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