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banjoman0254 - Posted - 06/20/2005:  16:49:35


Click here for tye text version...

This post by Lee took a lot of hard work and has a lot of info. He asked me to make it a "Sticky" and I agree. Thank you Lee.


Edited by - banjoman0254 on 08/20/2007 12:23:46

Banjo Stan - Posted - 06/22/2005:  19:39:42


Thanks Lee,
A lot of folks have obviously checked out this thread and learned a little from it. Just wanted to say we appreciate your posting this info.


Stan Robins

mtbe - Posted - 06/25/2005:  22:01:28


Yes Lee, this is very beneficial info.

Do you know how to slow down the 'playback'? There are a couple of songs where they start out slow, then quicken the pace. I can get them to start slow - for a beginner like me - but once the tempo changes, it speeds up to the speed the writer wanted. One example is Dueling Banjos as done by yourself.

Do you know how to slow down the whole track?

"We have met the enemy, and he is us" Pogo

banjoman0254 - Posted - 06/25/2005:  22:04:53


There is a "tempo change" button that allows you to set the speed. You can increase the tempo as much as you want or decrease it. The overall speed can be adjusted in the "midi options".


Edited by - banjoman0254 on 04/07/2006 15:35:07

mtbe - Posted - 06/25/2005:  22:22:57


Thanks for the quick response!

I can change the tempo at the beginning of the song just as you recommend, but if the writer speeds up the song in the middle somewhere, the tempo changes to the speed the writer wanted.

Changing the tempo in the midi options doesn't seem to change it for the whole song.

Also, is there a way to change the fret position (I don't know how to ask this correctly). So, if the writer wrote the song for C3, but I want to play it in C2, is there a way to change this?

mtbe

"We have met the enemy, and he is us" Pogo

banjoman0254 - Posted - 06/26/2005:  13:04:48


If the writer of the tab inserts a tempo mark in the song, it overrides the overall speed in the "midi options". It you want it to stay a constant tempo, just delete the tempo marks.

You can adjust the key of the song by going to "score" then "instrument". After that, click on the "tuning" tab. There is a place to adjust what capo position you want. For an open position, make it "0". If you want to capo at the 2nd fret, make it "2".

If you adjust the key of the song, you will also have to adjust the bass and the mandolin keys. The easiest way to do this is highlight the whole track of the bass or the mandolin. Go to "score" then click "transpose". For every fret position that you go up or down, increase or decrese the "No. of Intervals".

ex. If the original tab has the banjo and guitar capoed at the 3rd fret and you want to change it to the 2nd fret, change the position of the capo for the banjo and guitar to "2" instead of "3".

After that, highlight the whole bass track. Go to "transpose". Since you went down one step, click the down button for the "No. of Intervals".

If you changed the capo of the banjo and guitar to "4" instead of "3", you would click the up button for the "No. of Intervals".


Edited by - banjoman0254 on 04/07/2006 15:35:30

mtbe - Posted - 06/26/2005:  14:14:16


Lee,

Do we need the full version of TablEdit to change the? I only have the view version 2.6.... so it looks like I'm unable to change the tempo and the key.

I guess for the $40 or so it'll cost I can only get better....

mtbe

"We have met the enemy, and he is us" Pogo

banjoman0254 - Posted - 07/06/2005:  02:07:34


I've added some info on "transposing instruments".

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...
Click here to e-mail me...

Pluto - Posted - 07/23/2005:  14:20:42


Thanks Lee,

Although I am an experienced TablEdit user, one thing that seems counterintuitive is repeats. It makes it easy to display a repeat, but then you discover that that doesn't affect the playback - you need to use Reading List feature for that, which isn't obvious from the docs either. Do you have any other tips on repeats & endings?

Thanks again,
Mark

banjoman0254 - Posted - 07/23/2005:  21:11:46


The bad thing about repeats is that you can't get any variation in the playing. It's a lot easier to copy and paste. That way you can variate the playing.

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...
Click here to e-mail me...

Pluto - Posted - 07/25/2005:  00:46:04


One thing about transposing - if you've worked out the fingeringsand want to preserve them, don't use TablEdit's transpose feature. It's ok for chordal accompaniment where you only care about how it sounds, but don't use it on your lead module. It'll screw up the fingerings. Instead, select the entire section you want to transpose and use the '-' to go down by semitones (one per click of "-") and "+" to go up. Make sure you have enough room to do so before you do it. This is the safest way to transpose and preserve your fingerings.

banjoman0254 - Posted - 08/02/2005:  22:03:31


I've put this link in the info to show you what my screen looks like...

http://www.desperate-measure.com/ba...n/Screen.jpg

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

banjoman0254 - Posted - 08/17/2005:  13:30:36


New info added for fiddle.

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

oldtimedan - Posted - 09/17/2005:  19:51:29


can not get this program to work on g4 power mac 10.2

banjoman0254 - Posted - 09/17/2005:  19:59:18


Did you download the mac version?

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

randybartlett - Posted - 09/17/2005:  20:55:07


Excellent sharing Lee! It must have taken some time to figure all that out. Thanks,

Randy

My playing is a natural product. Minor variations and imperfections are normal and only serve to enhance it's natural beauty.

banjoman0254 - Posted - 09/17/2005:  21:11:48


I learn new stuff every day. lol

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

Bax - Posted - 11/29/2005:  10:40:20


Help Please - am trying to enter Keith d-tuner effects into Tabledit arrangement, have been through the Help index a few times and havent found anything.

Could work around this but would appreciate advice if anyone knows a good way of achieving this - Thanks

Bax
"I play all the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order"

bloograss_man - Posted - 01/04/2006:  10:43:33


Go to Jack Baker's site and download his Flint Hill Special and Earl's Breakdown tabs. ( And any other tuner songs )
He has slurs in them that give you the sound... If not the proper notation. (http://www.frettedinstrumentsnyc.com/)
Dave

Bax - Posted - 01/12/2006:  08:33:20


Dave - thanks for the info, will go see how Jack does it.

Bax
"I play all the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order"

banjoman0254 - Posted - 01/13/2006:  21:41:07


quote:
Originally posted by Bax

Help Please - am trying to enter Keith d-tuner effects into Tabledit arrangement, have been through the Help index a few times and havent found anything.

Could work around this but would appreciate advice if anyone knows a good way of achieving this - Thanks

Bax
"I play all the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order"



Hey! I have a different way of doing this technique. I put a pitch change on the string that is to be detuned. Get my version of Earl's Breakdown or America the Beautiful in my group to see what I'm talking about.

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

Ronnie1835 - Posted - 01/29/2006:  20:35:09


I like it also works good

ronnie

Bax - Posted - 01/30/2006:  13:56:25


Lee - Thanks for the tip, I'll try that too and see which works best for me

Bax
"I play all the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order"

banjoman0254 - Posted - 02/02/2006:  16:08:21


Alrighty...let me know

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

BigJohn67 - Posted - 02/22/2006:  15:09:51


Thanks Lee. A LOT of good advice in this thread.

BigJohn.

Novice going on 14 years now......

banjoman0254 - Posted - 03/24/2006:  13:03:59


You're welcome!

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

KJIsaacson - Posted - 04/11/2006:  11:28:24


Lee: When viewing a tab in TefView, the melody notes seem to be highlight in yellow. But they're not, when the tab is printed. Anyway to get the highlights to print?

Thanks,
Ken

"Banjo is the mojo of the day"

banjoman0254 - Posted - 04/11/2006:  14:29:47


It should print automatically. Try changing the highlight color.

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

KJIsaacson - Posted - 04/11/2006:  15:12:34


I don't see where to do that....

Thanks,
Ken

"Banjo is the mojo of the day"

banjoman0254 - Posted - 04/11/2006:  22:27:25


You can right-click on each of the notes and click "format". Then select the color that you want the highlight to be and check the stabilo box and click "apply". Do this for each of the notes that you want highlighted.

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

KJIsaacson - Posted - 05/30/2006:  14:29:25


Lee:

How do I insert/print the name of the chord above each measure? (I don't need the chord diagram, just the name of the chord.)

Thanks,
Ken

"Banjo is the mojo of the day"

banjoman0254 - Posted - 05/31/2006:  20:36:26


quote:
Originally posted by KJIsaacson

Lee:

How do I insert/print the name of the chord above each measure? (I don't need the chord diagram, just the name of the chord.)

Thanks,
Ken

"Banjo is the mojo of the day"





Hey Ken! Click on a blank space in the measure you want the chord name to be in. Then click the text tool on the toolbar. It is a button with a big "T" on it. Then, just create a new text and click insert. Make sure you click in a blank space or the note will be erased when you click insert. Hope this helps!

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

dbailey47 - Posted - 06/26/2006:  09:53:51


Thanks for the tips Lee. I can't seem to figure out how to get the bass and guitar to play along with the banjo in the tabs i have written. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dennis

janolov - Posted - 07/03/2006:  02:34:43


I am just now trying to write clawhammer tabs with TablEdit. I have difficulties with the midi file, the banjo does not sound like clawhammer. I have tried a little with dynamics of 5th string and brush chords, but that is not enough. Does anybody have any advice?

Janolov

banjo_brad - Posted - 07/04/2006:  00:43:47


Make sure you have "banjo" selected and "no ring" - I just let mine sound close with this.

Keep on pickin'
Banjo Brad
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/5
http://home.thegrid.net/~fjbrad/

banjoman0254 - Posted - 07/21/2006:  03:35:24


quote:
Originally posted by dbailey47

Thanks for the tips Lee. I can't seem to figure out how to get the bass and guitar to play along with the banjo in the tabs i have written. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dennis



Go into the options. Make sure that "notation" is UNCHECKED and "multitrack" is CHECKED. This will let you see all of the instruments at the same time and you can keep the parts lined up with each other. Hope this helps!

Also, in the MIDI options, make sure that the instruments are not muted.

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

banjoman0254 - Posted - 07/21/2006:  03:39:28


quote:
Originally posted by janolov

I am just now trying to write clawhammer tabs with TablEdit. I have difficulties with the midi file, the banjo does not sound like clawhammer. I have tried a little with dynamics of 5th string and brush chords, but that is not enough. Does anybody have any advice?

Janolov



None of the MIDI instruments really sound like the real thing, but they're just there so you can hear what's going on. You can buy a SoundBlaster sound card and use the sound fonts that sound a little more realistic. You can also create your own sound fonts with the VIenna studio that comes along with it (or I'm pretty sure it does anyway...). Hope this helps!

Lee Marcus

Click here to go to my tab page...
Click here to see tips for TablEdit...

matchcovers - Posted - 07/31/2006:  21:12:23


Does anyone know if there is a readable text or instruction book for TablEdit? I've downloaded the program and nothing? Helllllllllllllllllllp!

Bill

banjo_brad - Posted - 07/31/2006:  22:08:27


There is a PDF file manual here:

http://www.tabledit.com/download/tabhlp_alt_e.exe

Once downloaded, unzip it and then you can print it or view it on screen.

I have mine all printed out - but then, I'm still hooked on paper manuals.

Keep on pickin'
Banjo Brad
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/5
http://home.thegrid.net/~fjbrad/


Edited by - banjo_brad on 07/31/2006 22:11:20

matchcovers - Posted - 08/01/2006:  21:26:22


Can anyone tell me the secret to using this program? I can't get it to do anything.

Bill

matchcovers - Posted - 08/01/2006:  21:35:47


Banjo Brad - I must be thick as a tree, but unziping the file gives me nothing. I can't find any similar named files anywhere. What am I doing wrong?

Bill

banjo_brad - Posted - 08/01/2006:  22:14:45


Bill -

You should be able to download the file that the link gives you. Then, once it is on your computer, double-click to unzip - I unzipped mine direct to the desktop.
You will wind up with two files: a compiled HTML help file and a PDF file.
You might try searching your hard drive for "Tabled_e.pdf"

If you still can't find it, email me and I'll email the pdf file to you, it's 2.5 Meg in size.


Keep on pickin'
Banjo Brad
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/5
http://home.thegrid.net/~fjbrad/

AcousticEclecticJamBand - Posted - 12/16/2006:  18:51:16


Hello Lee,
I can figure out most of Tab edit...I can repeat measures...but i cant figure out how to repeat chosen section, ie from measure X to measure Y...
thanks!
MC


Jam !!! Acoustically, and Eclectically !!!

banjo_brad - Posted - 12/16/2006:  20:58:47


MC-
Do you mean so when it plays it will repeat, or are you trying to copy a section and add it in another section?

If you want it to repeat when it plays, you need to put it in the read list. That will also automatically add the open and end repeat signs to the tab.

Banjo Brad
"Banjos and Fiddles and Guitars, Oh My!" (me)
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/5
Prickly Pear Music

AcousticEclecticJamBand - Posted - 12/16/2006:  22:24:26


BanjoBrad...still unclear...
I like to listen to tabledit, im in tabview mode, not writing any tab at this time...
I just click repeat , and play all...and play along with my faves...i know how to hear the same measure repeat...but now I want to hear ...say 4 measures, and repeat those four measures over and over...
thanks
MC

Jam !!! Acoustically, and Eclectically !!!

banjo_brad - Posted - 12/17/2006:  22:10:12


AAARGGH!

I'm on a back-up computer because my main laptop is stuck at HP for 3 weeks now, so I don't have access to the program. Maybe someone else can jump in and help you.

Sorry.

Banjo Brad
"Banjos and Fiddles and Guitars, Oh My!" (me)
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/5
Prickly Pear Music

BanjoLink - Posted - 01/05/2007:  18:31:36


Lee - For some reason, i cannot get any sound out of my Tabedit tabs. Everything works fine except - no sound! Any tips! (it has worked fine in the past)!

Thanks

justo - Posted - 02/11/2007:  16:24:27


quote:
Originally posted by banjo_brad

If you want it to repeat when it plays, you need to put it in the read list. That will also automatically add the open and end repeat signs to the tab.

Banjo Brad


hey banjo brad and pluto,

how'd you guys do that? you answered my question weeks before i was going to ask it?

as pluto mentioned earlier about the repeats, its not intuitive, but it works.

thanks,
j

justo - Posted - 02/11/2007:  16:30:01


i've got another question that i didn't see answered yet.

i regularly come across tabs that are written in 4/4 time, showing 2 groups of four 1/8th notes tied together. when i try to do this in tabledit, it seems to always group only two 1/8th notes together, giving me 4 sets of two 1/8th notes. when i try moving the notes closer together, tabledit changes the 1/8th notes into 1/16th notes.

is there a way to get this to look like the written tab (2) sets of four 1/8th notes and does it make any difference in how the tab will sound?

j


Edited by - justo on 02/11/2007 16:32:04

nihilist37 - Posted - 02/23/2007:  22:27:49


Plenty of info here but I havent seen a solution to the most annoying feature of the program. How do you get it to scroll page at a time rather than through each bar. It is so frustrating when you just want to play the tab.




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