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BanjoLink - Posted - 03/16/2021: 15:06:31
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Owen
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Originally posted by okbluegrassbanjopicker.
What is dead wrong, is when the officer KEEPS ON ATTACKING, after the individual has clearly surrendered.
...you mean like this instance where officers tasered the dude after he was subdued, handcuffed and pinned on the ground? [And then lied about it resulting in conviction for perjury and colluding with fellow officers.]
cbc.ca/news/canada/british-col...1.3122941
The Juries on most Cop Trials consist of People who think the Government can do no wrong, and that Cops are above the Law. When that changes, and we start seeing convictions and prison sentences, then we will see some changes in the system.
That is just flat not true. I think for the most part juries try and be impartial and actually listen to the facts of the case. Have they made mistakes? Of course, but their job is to listen to cases and per the law, not what they "think" the law should be. Should there be some adjustments to the laws, sentencing, the justice system in general ..... probably yes, but until then the law has to be followed. I am not going to base my opinion of all law enforcement officers based on a few extreme anecdotal examples ........ either good or bad.
Ron C - Posted - 03/16/2021: 15:53:35
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Owen
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Originally posted by okbluegrassbanjopicker.
What is dead wrong, is when the officer KEEPS ON ATTACKING, after the individual has clearly surrendered.
...you mean like this instance where officers tasered the dude after he was subdued, handcuffed and pinned on the ground? [And then lied about it resulting in conviction for perjury and colluding with fellow officers.]
cbc.ca/news/canada/british-col...1.3122941
The Juries on most Cop Trials consist of People who think the Government can do no wrong, and that Cops are above the Law. When that changes, and we start seeing convictions and prison sentences, then we will see some changes in the system.
I don't know where you found your information. Please remember that both the prosecution and defense have an opportunity to help choose the jurors and both have a number of potential jurors they can exclude. Both work hard to select jurors that benefit their side and to exclude potential jurors biased against their side. Both Sides have that opportunity.
I have only been on 2 juries, a very small example, and both juries approached the cases in an unbiased fashion. That is, all but one who allowed emotion rather than logic and reason to dominate their decision. Ultimately, this juror did come around and make the jury unanimous.
If you have knowledge of police court cases that were biased in favor of the police, please let us know what they are. If you can refer us to multiple court cases that support your contention of bias in favor of the police, I am willing to admit I am wrong and learn from the experience.
Bolie Jackson - Posted - 03/16/2021: 15:53:42
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Bolie Jackson
I think you belong on those sites then. Better fit
I am already on both.
What a surprise
Ron C - Posted - 03/16/2021: 15:58:11
Here is a previous statement: The Juries on most Cop Trials consist of People who think the Government can do no wrong, and that Cops are above the Law. When that changes, and we start seeing convictions and prison sentences, then we will see some changes in the system.
And here are some facts:
jan dupree - Posted - 03/16/2021: 17:42:34
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Originally posted by Ron C
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Owen
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Originally posted by okbluegrassbanjopicker.
What is dead wrong, is when the officer KEEPS ON ATTACKING, after the individual has clearly surrendered.
...you mean like this instance where officers tasered the dude after he was subdued, handcuffed and pinned on the ground? [And then lied about it resulting in conviction for perjury and colluding with fellow officers.]
cbc.ca/news/canada/british-col...1.3122941
The Juries on most Cop Trials consist of People who think the Government can do no wrong, and that Cops are above the Law. When that changes, and we start seeing convictions and prison sentences, then we will see some changes in the system.
I don't know where you found your information. Please remember that both the prosecution and defense have an opportunity to help choose the jurors and both have a number of potential jurors they can exclude. Both work hard to select jurors that benefit their side and to exclude potential jurors biased against their side. Both Sides have that opportunity.
I have only been on 2 juries, a very small example, and both juries approached the cases in an unbiased fashion. That is, all but one who allowed emotion rather than logic and reason to dominate their decision. Ultimately, this juror did come around and make the jury unanimous.
If you have knowledge of police court cases that were biased in favor of the police, please let us know what they are. If you can refer us to multiple court cases that support your contention of bias in favor of the police, I am willing to admit I am wrong and learn from the experience.
How many Cops ever get found Guilty of Murder or Assault. You can count them on one hand over the past 10 years. Most don't even get charged, because the State Attorney knows he will never get a conviction, and the ones that go to a Grand Jury almost never get charged.
Edited by - jan dupree on 03/16/2021 17:44:52
jan dupree - Posted - 03/16/2021: 17:47:57
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Originally posted by Ron C
Here is a previous statement: The Juries on most Cop Trials consist of People who think the Government can do no wrong, and that Cops are above the Law. When that changes, and we start seeing convictions and prison sentences, then we will see some changes in the system.
And here are some facts:
Yeah, like I said, you can count them on one hand.
jan dupree - Posted - 03/16/2021: 17:57:30
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
No Jan, they don't and the numbers prove you completely wrong.
"Purse snatching, muggings, Home Invasion, Carjackings, Knockout Game Crimes, are perpetrated exclusively by Blacks."
Google "White man snatches purse" and the second hit is a white guy in Denver that did a purse snatching. So no, they aren't exclusively done by blacks. Do you even know what "exclusive" means? If the very first one was so easy to disprove, I'll leave it to you to look up the rest.
" Whites are not committing violent Crimes against Blacks, and that is a fact you cannot dispute."
FBI UCR Expanded Homicide Data table 6 completely disputes that one. Oh, and that's just the murder data, not all violent crime.
You really aren't very good at this whole using actual facts in a discussion thing, are you?
So you searched around until you found a White Purse Snatching Offender, what does that prove? Check out this Flash Mob, I don't see one here. youtu.be/HX-CeN6W5Mg Not here either youtu.be/ksuhDS1SqUI The Newsom Murders in Knoxville youtu.be/CqS6OFuUXe8 You will even deny this youtu.be/YcFiz1GGYCk White Girl Bleed a Lot.
No jan. I typed it in google and it was THE SECOND hit. No searching around required. And it proves that these things aren't exclusively a black issue. I'm not the one denying anything. I've posted factual numbers and stats. I know about those videos and I know there are videos of white people who do the same thing. The hilarious thing is how you, of all people given the sites you are associated with, will sit there and try to tell me that white people don't commit violent crimes against black people.
Just watch the nightly News and check New Sites on the web and you will see you are wrong. In most cases the Media does'nt report it, and it still is overwhelmingly obvious.
jan dupree - Posted - 03/16/2021: 18:16:06
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
No Jan, they don't and the numbers prove you completely wrong.
"Purse snatching, muggings, Home Invasion, Carjackings, Knockout Game Crimes, are perpetrated exclusively by Blacks."
Google "White man snatches purse" and the second hit is a white guy in Denver that did a purse snatching. So no, they aren't exclusively done by blacks. Do you even know what "exclusive" means? If the very first one was so easy to disprove, I'll leave it to you to look up the rest.
" Whites are not committing violent Crimes against Blacks, and that is a fact you cannot dispute."
FBI UCR Expanded Homicide Data table 6 completely disputes that one. Oh, and that's just the murder data, not all violent crime.
You really aren't very good at this whole using actual facts in a discussion thing, are you?
So you searched around until you found a White Purse Snatching Offender, what does that prove? Check out this Flash Mob, I don't see one here. youtu.be/HX-CeN6W5Mg Not here either youtu.be/ksuhDS1SqUI The Newsom Murders in Knoxville youtu.be/CqS6OFuUXe8 You will even deny this youtu.be/YcFiz1GGYCk White Girl Bleed a Lot.
No jan. I typed it in google and it was THE SECOND hit. No searching around required. And it proves that these things aren't exclusively a black issue. I'm not the one denying anything. I've posted factual numbers and stats. I know about those videos and I know there are videos of white people who do the same thing. The hilarious thing is how you, of all people given the sites you are associated with, will sit there and try to tell me that white people don't commit violent crimes against black people.
Just watch the nightly News and check New Sites on the web and you will see you are wrong. In most cases the Media does'nt report it, and it still is overwhelmingly obvious.
youtu.be/gu1Oq-nfUqY This happened a couple of months ago in Lakeland FL. Nobody outside Polk County heard a word about it.
Bolie Jackson - Posted - 03/16/2021: 20:07:15
Jan please take your racist and anti-mask conspiracy bs to where you belong at parlor. Why this racist ignorance is allowed on the Hangout is pathetic
jan dupree - Posted - 03/16/2021: 20:20:44
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Originally posted by Bolie Jackson
Jan please take your racist and anti-mask conspiracy bs to where you belong at parlor. Why this racist ignorance is allowed on the Hangout is pathetic
It has all been broadcast on Mainline TV Stations and Newspaper Articles. The Police Chief gave a Press Conference, how do you figure I had anything to do with any of the stories, or manipulated the Press or Media in any way? A better question is, you knew what you were getting into before you even clicked on the thread, so why take an offensive stance about it all?
Edited by - jan dupree on 03/16/2021 20:22:12
Texasbanjo - Posted - 03/17/2021: 04:45:37
Okay, we know better than to flame on this site. I have hidden a post that was flaming. Any more flaming will get the poster a time out.
GrahamHawker - Posted - 03/17/2021: 06:05:35
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Originally posted by Texasbanjo
Okay, we know better than to flame on this site. I have hidden a post that was flaming. Any more flaming will get the poster a time out.
But apparently overt racism and posting links to overt racism is fine. For what is generally a nice forum it's poor stuff to allow Bango Hangout to be dragged into that particular gutter.
Edited by - Texasbanjo on 03/17/2021 06:34:07
Texasbanjo - Posted - 03/17/2021: 06:35:53
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Originally posted by GrahamHawker
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Originally posted by Texasbanjo
Okay, we know better than to flame on this site. I have hidden a post that was flaming. Any more flaming will get the poster a time out.
But apparently overt racism and posting links to overt racism is fine. For what is generally a nice forum it's poor stuff to allow Bango Hangout to be dragged into that particular gutter.
If you have a problem with the way we moderate, take it up with us privately. It is against the rules and guidelines to criticize moderators on line. Here's the rule you're breaking:
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Please follow the rules and guidelines in the future.
Owen - Posted - 03/17/2021: 06:49:09
Fwiw, the only problems I have with any posts are the disrespectful, uncivil, baiting ones... and the ones that are dishonest in their reactions/rebuttals, although that probably gets covered by "disrespectful." I like to think that for the most part I can separate the wheat from the chaff, so far-out (?) posts don't bother me. I would however draw the line at posters encouraging others to commit illegal acts.... I'm not aware of that happening.
Edit: And, you guys play nice.... I might want to make another post or two in this thread. 
Edited by - Owen on 03/17/2021 06:53:29
Banjonewguy - Posted - 03/17/2021: 07:11:23
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
No Jan, they don't and the numbers prove you completely wrong.
"Purse snatching, muggings, Home Invasion, Carjackings, Knockout Game Crimes, are perpetrated exclusively by Blacks."
Google "White man snatches purse" and the second hit is a white guy in Denver that did a purse snatching. So no, they aren't exclusively done by blacks. Do you even know what "exclusive" means? If the very first one was so easy to disprove, I'll leave it to you to look up the rest.
" Whites are not committing violent Crimes against Blacks, and that is a fact you cannot dispute."
FBI UCR Expanded Homicide Data table 6 completely disputes that one. Oh, and that's just the murder data, not all violent crime.
You really aren't very good at this whole using actual facts in a discussion thing, are you?
So you searched around until you found a White Purse Snatching Offender, what does that prove? Check out this Flash Mob, I don't see one here. youtu.be/HX-CeN6W5Mg Not here either youtu.be/ksuhDS1SqUI The Newsom Murders in Knoxville youtu.be/CqS6OFuUXe8 You will even deny this youtu.be/YcFiz1GGYCk White Girl Bleed a Lot.
No jan. I typed it in google and it was THE SECOND hit. No searching around required. And it proves that these things aren't exclusively a black issue. I'm not the one denying anything. I've posted factual numbers and stats. I know about those videos and I know there are videos of white people who do the same thing. The hilarious thing is how you, of all people given the sites you are associated with, will sit there and try to tell me that white people don't commit violent crimes against black people.
Just watch the nightly News and check New Sites on the web and you will see you are wrong. In most cases the Media does'nt report it, and it still is overwhelmingly obvious.
What, exactly, did I get wrong? The fact that purse snatching and carjacking aren't exclusively black crime? The fact that a quick search on you shows that you are affiliated with groups that advocate illegal violence against people simply for being black, which falls squarely into the interracial violent crime category by the way? I think the only thing I got wrong, at least going by your argument, is that I actually use source data instead of media broadcasts and stories taken from sites like Parlor for my information.
I never disputed the crime rates per population. I never disputed that there are some police out there who break the law and use excessive force. I never disputed anything that can be backed up using data. I never even disputed the crimes being committed by your hand picked Youtube videos. What I did dispute, and will until the data proves me wrong, is your outlandish claim that blacks commit 80% of all violent crime. And that is a claim that you haven't been able to prove factually so you are posting a host of Youtube "proof" to the contrary.
Bolie Jackson - Posted - 03/17/2021: 07:53:06
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Originally posted by GrahamHawker
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Originally posted by Texasbanjo
Okay, we know better than to flame on this site. I have hidden a post that was flaming. Any more flaming will get the poster a time out.
But apparently overt racism and posting links to overt racism is fine. For what is generally a nice forum it's poor stuff to allow Bango Hangout to be dragged into that particular gutter.
+1.............and quite a few good members have left the Hangout for that reason. Unfortunate, but it's just fine with the small group that get their chuckles by posting that nonsense.
Ron C - Posted - 03/17/2021: 09:12:27
I find that exchanges about important topics can be stimulating when people are reasonable, logical, and respectful. Once we transition to name-calling, arguments about the individual participants instead of the topic, expressions of anger against the posters or any particular group or community, or overt bias or racism, then the discussion-debate stops, and individuals begin to go at each other.
I could go on for days in point-counterpoint with members like Owen, Banjolink, Banjonewguy, Bolie Jackson, and several others who present arguments of value in a thoughtful fashion.
Ron
Owen - Posted - 03/17/2021: 10:25:50
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Originally posted by Ron C
Some people respond as if the police officer is guilty and should be punished straight away. Some say immediately that the particular case is evidence of a systemic problem with police.
Justice is an internal investigation, an external investigation, and if evidence directs it, a Grand Jury hearing. [with a bunch of stuff snipped out... the <snips> disappear when I edit. 
]
We'll see if three times is a charm. Yesterday I prepared two submissions, but before I'd addressed many of the things I wanted to I realized they would be w-a-y too long, so it was into the black hole for them.
There's more than one definition of "evidence." Since I'm trying to come up with a reasonable idea of how prevalent police misconduct is [the whole ball of wax, not just excessive force, and not just the ones that make national headlines] rather than using the legal/courtroom definition, I think the definition for intellectual evidence is quite useful... "evidence-in-fact allows the intellect to see the truth of one thing and infer a sound judgement on matters or solve a given problem."
During busy spring and fall seasons we like to go for drives in our agricultural area and see machinery out in the fields. If I go for a half-hour drive and see 6 combines working, I have "evidence" of 6 combines working, but I can't reasonably conclude that there's only 6 combines out that day. My "inferred sound judgement" says that if I move over a few miles and drive for a similar distance, or take a different route home, I'll likely see a similar number of combines. For me, because something hasn't come to light doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove widespread abuse, but when it comes in an unending flow, as it does, I'm inclined to think that there's probably some substance to it all. Some people do indeed jump to conclusions, but some [like me, I think] also give things careful consideration... the width of the brush being used might not be spot on. As an aside, a friend of mine [now a retired policeman] told me about an incident where he shot a bad guy [not dead, just long-term paralysis although he didn't exactly plan in that much detail] to protect the lives of fellow officers. It was anecdotal evidence, but I saw/see no reason to question his judgement or his version of the event.... some stuff makes sense with/without an investigation [I presume there was one] and/or an "official" version, and sometimes the official version can be a bunch of hooey.
We don't have the Grand Jury system in Canada, but from what I've seen in Canada re. "investigations" [cough/hack/cough/splutter] having one police force investigate another police force leaves a wee bit to be desired.
Your take on "proportion" has me thinking of the old saw: "the solution to pollution is dilution."
Edit: Looks like I got caught in the cross-fire, Ron [dunno whether it's pun is intended or not]. Cheers!!
Edited by - Owen on 03/17/2021 10:32:17
jan dupree - Posted - 03/17/2021: 11:53:21
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
No Jan, they don't and the numbers prove you completely wrong.
"Purse snatching, muggings, Home Invasion, Carjackings, Knockout Game Crimes, are perpetrated exclusively by Blacks."
Google "White man snatches purse" and the second hit is a white guy in Denver that did a purse snatching. So no, they aren't exclusively done by blacks. Do you even know what "exclusive" means? If the very first one was so easy to disprove, I'll leave it to you to look up the rest.
" Whites are not committing violent Crimes against Blacks, and that is a fact you cannot dispute."
FBI UCR Expanded Homicide Data table 6 completely disputes that one. Oh, and that's just the murder data, not all violent crime.
You really aren't very good at this whole using actual facts in a discussion thing, are you?
So you searched around until you found a White Purse Snatching Offender, what does that prove? Check out this Flash Mob, I don't see one here. youtu.be/HX-CeN6W5Mg Not here either youtu.be/ksuhDS1SqUI The Newsom Murders in Knoxville youtu.be/CqS6OFuUXe8 You will even deny this youtu.be/YcFiz1GGYCk White Girl Bleed a Lot.
No jan. I typed it in google and it was THE SECOND hit. No searching around required. And it proves that these things aren't exclusively a black issue. I'm not the one denying anything. I've posted factual numbers and stats. I know about those videos and I know there are videos of white people who do the same thing. The hilarious thing is how you, of all people given the sites you are associated with, will sit there and try to tell me that white people don't commit violent crimes against black people.
Just watch the nightly News and check New Sites on the web and you will see you are wrong. In most cases the Media does'nt report it, and it still is overwhelmingly obvious.
What, exactly, did I get wrong? The fact that purse snatching and carjacking aren't exclusively black crime? The fact that a quick search on you shows that you are affiliated with groups that advocate illegal violence against people simply for being black, which falls squarely into the interracial violent crime category by the way? I think the only thing I got wrong, at least going by your argument, is that I actually use source data instead of media broadcasts and stories taken from sites like Parlor for my information.
I never disputed the crime rates per population. I never disputed that there are some police out there who break the law and use excessive force. I never disputed anything that can be backed up using data. I never even disputed the crimes being committed by your hand picked Youtube videos. What I did dispute, and will until the data proves me wrong, is your outlandish claim that blacks commit 80% of all violent crime. And that is a claim that you haven't been able to prove factually so you are posting a host of Youtube "proof" to the contrary.
Somebody else already posted the statistical data in a previous post a couple of pages back. Plus all you have to do is check out Colin Flaugherty's book "White Girl Bleed a Lot" It comes out to about 80% of violent crime which is usually defined as using a weapon or pysical force likely to cause bodily harm. Purse snatching is not usually included in that category. Aslo when rape is included, and Black Offenders that are classified as Hispanic are reclassified, it easily comes to 80%. ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...rdoData=r Here is the data again. You can't hide from it. Everybody knows it, but few will talk about it.
Edited by - jan dupree on 03/17/2021 12:02:24
jan dupree - Posted - 03/17/2021: 12:08:59
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Originally posted by GrahamHawker
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Originally posted by Texasbanjo
Okay, we know better than to flame on this site. I have hidden a post that was flaming. Any more flaming will get the poster a time out.
But apparently overt racism and posting links to overt racism is fine. For what is generally a nice forum it's poor stuff to allow Bango Hangout to be dragged into that particular gutter.
But how is posting a News Broadcast, News Article, Statistical Data, and actual Video Footage of something that actually happened meet the definition of "Being dragged into a particular gutter"?
Edthebanjo - Posted - 03/17/2021: 12:19:20
No Jan we’ve been through it, and you just ignored the fact that the data you’re presenting doesn’t show what you claim it does. You’re wrong by a factor of about 2.5
Ron C - Posted - 03/17/2021: 12:20:57
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Originally posted by Owen
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Originally posted by Ron C
Some people respond as if the police officer is guilty and should be punished straight away. Some say immediately that the particular case is evidence of a systemic problem with police.
Justice is an internal investigation, an external investigation, and if evidence directs it, a Grand Jury hearing. [with a bunch of stuff snipped out... the disappear when I edit. ]
We'll see if three times is a charm. Yesterday I prepared two submissions, but before I'd addressed many of the things I wanted to I realized they would be w-a-y too long, so it was into the black hole for them.
There's more than one definition of "evidence." Since I'm trying to come up with a reasonable idea of how prevalent police misconduct is [the whole ball of wax, not just excessive force, and not just the ones that make national headlines] rather than using the legal/courtroom definition, I think the definition for intellectual evidence is quite useful... "evidence-in-fact allows the intellect to see the truth of one thing and infer a sound judgement on matters or solve a given problem."
During busy spring and fall seasons we like to go for drives in our agricultural area and see machinery out in the fields. If I go for a half-hour drive and see 6 combines working, I have "evidence" of 6 combines working, but I can't reasonably conclude that there's only 6 combines out that day. My "inferred sound judgement" says that if I move over a few miles and drive for a similar distance, or take a different route home, I'll likely see a similar number of combines. For me, because something hasn't come to light doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove widespread abuse, but when it comes in an unending flow, as it does, I'm inclined to think that there's probably some substance to it all. Some people do indeed jump to conclusions, but some [like me, I think] also give things careful consideration... the width of the brush being used might not be spot on. As an aside, a friend of mine [now a retired policeman] told me about an incident where he shot a bad guy [not dead, just long-term paralysis although he didn't exactly plan in that much detail] to protect the lives of fellow officers. It was anecdotal evidence, but I saw/see no reason to question his judgement or his version of the event.... some stuff makes sense with/without an investigation [I presume there was one] and/or an "official" version, and sometimes the official version can be a bunch of hooey.
We don't have the Grand Jury system in Canada, but from what I've seen in Canada re. "investigations" [cough/hack/cough/splutter] having one police force investigate another police force leaves a wee bit to be desired.
Your take on "proportion" has me thinking of the old saw: "the solution to pollution is dilution."
Edit: Looks like I got caught in the cross-fire, Ron [dunno whether it's pun is intended or not]. Cheers!!
You make some interesting points, Owen.
There was a time when a questionable police action and complaint were investigated internally, by the particular department. This was a time that police action was was left to the discretion of the individual police officer. My grandfather was a policeman during that period (He was killed on duty along with his police partner). I don't know the exact dates, but I think that approach lasted into the 1960s or 1970s. After the Civil Rights movement surged throughout the country, it was slowly recognized that internal investigations lend themselves to conflict of interest results - cops didn't implicate cops. Then, external investigations followed on top of the internal investigations. The external investigations were by political entities, independent and objective boards or higher-level organizations established for the purpose of review. After that, if a law enforcement officer was found guilty of illegal or unjust behavior, then that LEO had redress to the courts.
Of course, going to the courts is a right of citizens including the police. If there is a Grand Jury formed, then that Grand Jury will hear the evidence and decide whether there is enough evidence for the case to go to a trial. The Grand Jury is not restricted by the same rules as a trial jury. They can decide that a trial is appropriate, given the evidence, even if there is a level of uncertainty.
If the Grand Jury deems the evidence sufficient for a trial to proceed, then the police officer goes to trial. The chance of having a biased Grand Jury (toward either side of the case) is countered by the formation of a full jury and a trial.
As cumbersome as it all seems, the rights of the LEO are protected, just like the rest of us. No longer is the prosecution of a police officer at the whim of just one individual or group with a particular bias. Each level of purview serves as a check and balance on the other.
We must be careful of first impressions and feelings about a report of police misconduct. Ferguson, Missouri is a good case to show why. Remember the slogan "Hands up, don't shoot." According to the testimony in the Grand Jury hearings, it never happened. It was reported second hand by someone who was not at the shooting and heard it from a friend who claimed he was at the shooting. The policeman testified immediately after the shooting that he was knocked back into his car by the large young man and that the young man was trying to get the policeman's gun. The young man's fingerprints and DNA were found on the steering wheel of the police car, on the gun holster and on the clothing of the policeman, supporting the contention of the policeman. The Grand Jury declined to pass the case on to the full court trial. This is all in the transcripts of the testimony in the case. Yet, the case is still used as a rallying cry about police brutality.
There were some local government policy inequities that led to the confrontation. These policies were biased against blacks and low income people. But that is another story.
Ron
DC5 - Posted - 03/17/2021: 12:28:26
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
Banjonewguy - Posted - 03/17/2021: 12:34:15
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
No Jan, they don't and the numbers prove you completely wrong.
"Purse snatching, muggings, Home Invasion, Carjackings, Knockout Game Crimes, are perpetrated exclusively by Blacks."
Google "White man snatches purse" and the second hit is a white guy in Denver that did a purse snatching. So no, they aren't exclusively done by blacks. Do you even know what "exclusive" means? If the very first one was so easy to disprove, I'll leave it to you to look up the rest.
" Whites are not committing violent Crimes against Blacks, and that is a fact you cannot dispute."
FBI UCR Expanded Homicide Data table 6 completely disputes that one. Oh, and that's just the murder data, not all violent crime.
You really aren't very good at this whole using actual facts in a discussion thing, are you?
So you searched around until you found a White Purse Snatching Offender, what does that prove? Check out this Flash Mob, I don't see one here. youtu.be/HX-CeN6W5Mg Not here either youtu.be/ksuhDS1SqUI The Newsom Murders in Knoxville youtu.be/CqS6OFuUXe8 You will even deny this youtu.be/YcFiz1GGYCk White Girl Bleed a Lot.
No jan. I typed it in google and it was THE SECOND hit. No searching around required. And it proves that these things aren't exclusively a black issue. I'm not the one denying anything. I've posted factual numbers and stats. I know about those videos and I know there are videos of white people who do the same thing. The hilarious thing is how you, of all people given the sites you are associated with, will sit there and try to tell me that white people don't commit violent crimes against black people.
Just watch the nightly News and check New Sites on the web and you will see you are wrong. In most cases the Media does'nt report it, and it still is overwhelmingly obvious.
What, exactly, did I get wrong? The fact that purse snatching and carjacking aren't exclusively black crime? The fact that a quick search on you shows that you are affiliated with groups that advocate illegal violence against people simply for being black, which falls squarely into the interracial violent crime category by the way? I think the only thing I got wrong, at least going by your argument, is that I actually use source data instead of media broadcasts and stories taken from sites like Parlor for my information.
I never disputed the crime rates per population. I never disputed that there are some police out there who break the law and use excessive force. I never disputed anything that can be backed up using data. I never even disputed the crimes being committed by your hand picked Youtube videos. What I did dispute, and will until the data proves me wrong, is your outlandish claim that blacks commit 80% of all violent crime. And that is a claim that you haven't been able to prove factually so you are posting a host of Youtube "proof" to the contrary.
Somebody else already posted the statistical data in a previous post a couple of pages back. Plus all you have to do is check out Colin Flaugherty's book "White Girl Bleed a Lot" It comes out to about 80% of violent crime which is usually defined as using a weapon or pysical force likely to cause bodily harm. Purse snatching is not usually included in that category. Aslo when rape is included, and Black Offenders that are classified as Hispanic are reclassified, it easily comes to 80%.
For once Jan, why don't you go to the direct source of this information? You don't seem to understand that in a world of facts, not many people are going to listen to you citing "White Girl Bleed a Lot" when actual FBI crime statistics are being laid out in front of you. They aren't going to tally up how many Youtube videos you post to counter statistical analysis compiled from crime reports from all over the country covering a full year.
You keep going to black offenders being classified as hispanic. What part of white people commit 60% of all violent crime do you not get? I don't care if they are classified as hispanic, they mathematically cannot commit more overall violent crime than white people because white people commit more than 50% of the total. That's kind of how percentages work. Anything over 50% is the majority and no matter how many ways you try to pluck the rooster, your math doesn't work.
The statistical data to which you keep referring is crime RATES, not percentages. I would hope I wouldn't have to explain this but it looks like I do. See, rates are based on a set number, say 100,000, of a particular POPULATION. So even if black people have a crime RATE of 300 per 100,000, that is based on their population. If the total population is 1,000,000 and they are 13%, 0r 130,000 of that overall 1 million, that means they commit 390 violent crimes. Now, if white people in that same overall population have a crime rate of 60 per 100,000 (which is 80% less than the 300 per 100,000 above), and they are 60% of said population, or 600,000, that means they commit 360 violent crimes. As you can see, even with a RATE that is 80% higher, the total crimes committed are only 30 more. So yes, the rate might be 80% higher in your examples, but the population size differences mean that you saying they commit 80% of all violent crime makes you look, well, pretty silly.
jan dupree - Posted - 03/17/2021: 21:04:22
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
No Jan, they don't and the numbers prove you completely wrong.
"Purse snatching, muggings, Home Invasion, Carjackings, Knockout Game Crimes, are perpetrated exclusively by Blacks."
Google "White man snatches purse" and the second hit is a white guy in Denver that did a purse snatching. So no, they aren't exclusively done by blacks. Do you even know what "exclusive" means? If the very first one was so easy to disprove, I'll leave it to you to look up the rest.
" Whites are not committing violent Crimes against Blacks, and that is a fact you cannot dispute."
FBI UCR Expanded Homicide Data table 6 completely disputes that one. Oh, and that's just the murder data, not all violent crime.
You really aren't very good at this whole using actual facts in a discussion thing, are you?
So you searched around until you found a White Purse Snatching Offender, what does that prove? Check out this Flash Mob, I don't see one here. youtu.be/HX-CeN6W5Mg Not here either youtu.be/ksuhDS1SqUI The Newsom Murders in Knoxville youtu.be/CqS6OFuUXe8 You will even deny this youtu.be/YcFiz1GGYCk White Girl Bleed a Lot.
No jan. I typed it in google and it was THE SECOND hit. No searching around required. And it proves that these things aren't exclusively a black issue. I'm not the one denying anything. I've posted factual numbers and stats. I know about those videos and I know there are videos of white people who do the same thing. The hilarious thing is how you, of all people given the sites you are associated with, will sit there and try to tell me that white people don't commit violent crimes against black people.
Just watch the nightly News and check New Sites on the web and you will see you are wrong. In most cases the Media does'nt report it, and it still is overwhelmingly obvious.
What, exactly, did I get wrong? The fact that purse snatching and carjacking aren't exclusively black crime? The fact that a quick search on you shows that you are affiliated with groups that advocate illegal violence against people simply for being black, which falls squarely into the interracial violent crime category by the way? I think the only thing I got wrong, at least going by your argument, is that I actually use source data instead of media broadcasts and stories taken from sites like Parlor for my information.
I never disputed the crime rates per population. I never disputed that there are some police out there who break the law and use excessive force. I never disputed anything that can be backed up using data. I never even disputed the crimes being committed by your hand picked Youtube videos. What I did dispute, and will until the data proves me wrong, is your outlandish claim that blacks commit 80% of all violent crime. And that is a claim that you haven't been able to prove factually so you are posting a host of Youtube "proof" to the contrary.
Somebody else already posted the statistical data in a previous post a couple of pages back. Plus all you have to do is check out Colin Flaugherty's book "White Girl Bleed a Lot" It comes out to about 80% of violent crime which is usually defined as using a weapon or pysical force likely to cause bodily harm. Purse snatching is not usually included in that category. Aslo when rape is included, and Black Offenders that are classified as Hispanic are reclassified, it easily comes to 80%.
For once Jan, why don't you go to the direct source of this information? You don't seem to understand that in a world of facts, not many people are going to listen to you citing "White Girl Bleed a Lot" when actual FBI crime statistics are being laid out in front of you. They aren't going to tally up how many Youtube videos you post to counter statistical analysis compiled from crime reports from all over the country covering a full year.
You keep going to black offenders being classified as hispanic. What part of white people commit 60% of all violent crime do you not get? I don't care if they are classified as hispanic, they mathematically cannot commit more overall violent crime than white people because white people commit more than 50% of the total. That's kind of how percentages work. Anything over 50% is the majority and no matter how many ways you try to pluck the rooster, your math doesn't work.
The statistical data to which you keep referring is crime RATES, not percentages. I would hope I wouldn't have to explain this but it looks like I do. See, rates are based on a set number, say 100,000, of a particular POPULATION. So even if black people have a crime RATE of 300 per 100,000, that is based on their population. If the total population is 1,000,000 and they are 13%, 0r 130,000 of that overall 1 million, that means they commit 390 violent crimes. Now, if white people in that same overall population have a crime rate of 60 per 100,000 (which is 80% less than the 300 per 100,000 above), and they are 60% of said population, or 600,000, that means they commit 360 violent crimes. As you can see, even with a RATE that is 80% higher, the total crimes committed are only 30 more. So yes, the rate might be 80% higher in your examples, but the population size differences mean that you saying they commit 80% of all violent crime makes you look, well, pretty silly.
I posted the stats, and another Member posted the stats. You just refuse to look at it. 12% of the Population in America is committing 80% of the violent crimes, and when you consider the large Prison Population of that Group who are behind bars at any given time, the stats are even more alarming, and the rape statistics are literally off the chart.
Edited by - jan dupree on 03/17/2021 21:08:38
jan dupree - Posted - 03/17/2021: 21:17:53
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Edited by - jan dupree on 03/17/2021 21:32:07
Banjonewguy - Posted - 03/18/2021: 01:26:23
For once Jan, why don't you go to the direct source of this information? You don't seem to understand that in a world of facts, not many people are going to listen to you citing "White Girl Bleed a Lot" when actual FBI crime statistics are being laid out in front of you. They aren't going to tally up how many Youtube videos you post to counter statistical analysis compiled from
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I posted the stats, and another Member posted the stats. You just refuse to look at it. 12% of the Population in America is committing 80% of the violent crimes, and when you consider the large Prison Population of that Group who are behind bars at any given time, the stats are even more alarming, and the rape statistics are literally off the chart.
No Jan, someone posted the stats that you misinterpreted and are basing everything on rates. I and others have pointed out if you look at percentages instead of rates even you would see you are wrong. Also, if you have a chart that accounts for all data, how can something be "litterally" off of that chart?
You keep banging on about this vast majority of blacks that are being classed as hispanic yet, like most other "facts" that you post, you provide nothing of substance to back it up. I can't tell you how many other data challenged "13/90" idiots I've had this exact same discussion with over the years and it's always the same. They all try to counter with internet videos and conjecture. Usually one of two things happen when you give actual proof: they either slink back to stormfront or they completely ignore real data and throw out even more stupid.
phb - Posted - 03/18/2021: 02:57:25
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Originally posted by Ron C
Of course, going to the courts is a right of citizens including the police. If there is a Grand Jury formed, then that Grand Jury will hear the evidence and decide whether there is enough evidence for the case to go to a trial. The Grand Jury is not restricted by the same rules as a trial jury. They can decide that a trial is appropriate, given the evidence, even if there is a level of uncertainty.
If the Grand Jury deems the evidence sufficient for a trial to proceed, then the police officer goes to trial. The chance of having a biased Grand Jury (toward either side of the case) is countered by the formation of a full jury and a trial.
As cumbersome as it all seems, the rights of the LEO are protected, just like the rest of us.
What I don't understand about this Grand Jury system is whether this is a privilege for LEOs or whether the same thing happens for every case. In any case I think the Grand Jury should operate on a "in doubt for the trial" basis. A trial isn't the same as a conviction after all. It may also be argued that it is in the interest of the accused to be declared not guilty by a trial and not have to live with the suspicion to have got away with a crime because the Grand Jury couldn't agree there was enough evidence.
Banjonewguy - Posted - 03/18/2021: 03:58:07
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Originally posted by phb
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Originally posted by Ron C
Of course, going to the courts is a right of citizens including the police. If there is a Grand Jury formed, then that Grand Jury will hear the evidence and decide whether there is enough evidence for the case to go to a trial. The Grand Jury is not restricted by the same rules as a trial jury. They can decide that a trial is appropriate, given the evidence, even if there is a level of uncertainty.
If the Grand Jury deems the evidence sufficient for a trial to proceed, then the police officer goes to trial. The chance of having a biased Grand Jury (toward either side of the case) is countered by the formation of a full jury and a trial.
As cumbersome as it all seems, the rights of the LEO are protected, just like the rest of us.
What I don't understand about this Grand Jury system is whether this is a privilege for LEOs or whether the same thing happens for every case. In any case I think the Grand Jury should operate on a "in doubt for the trial" basis. A trial isn't the same as a conviction after all. It may also be argued that it is in the interest of the accused to be declared not guilty by a trial and not have to live with the suspicion to have got away with a crime because the Grand Jury couldn't agree there was enough evidence.
The Grand Jury exists for civilians as well. If I'm not mistaken it is usually reserved for very serious crimes though. Not every crime goes to grand jury.
DC5 - Posted - 03/18/2021: 05:55:13
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
Ron C - Posted - 03/18/2021: 06:40:25
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Originally posted by phb
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Originally posted by Ron C
Of course, going to the courts is a right of citizens including the police. If there is a Grand Jury formed, then that Grand Jury will hear the evidence and decide whether there is enough evidence for the case to go to a trial. The Grand Jury is not restricted by the same rules as a trial jury. They can decide that a trial is appropriate, given the evidence, even if there is a level of uncertainty.
If the Grand Jury deems the evidence sufficient for a trial to proceed, then the police officer goes to trial. The chance of having a biased Grand Jury (toward either side of the case) is countered by the formation of a full jury and a trial.
As cumbersome as it all seems, the rights of the LEO are protected, just like the rest of us.
What I don't understand about this Grand Jury system is whether this is a privilege for LEOs or whether the same thing happens for every case. In any case I think the Grand Jury should operate on a "in doubt for the trial" basis. A trial isn't the same as a conviction after all. It may also be argued that it is in the interest of the accused to be declared not guilty by a trial and not have to live with the suspicion to have got away with a crime because the Grand Jury couldn't agree there was enough evidence.
I am not an attorney, so I had to learn more about Grand Juries and Court Trials when I read about various cases in the news.
As Banjonewguy says, Grand Juries are available to everyone.
Grand juries typically consist of 23 citizens. A trial jury usually consists of six to twelve. The two serve different purposes. A grand jury helps determine whether charges should be brought against a suspect. A trial jury renders a verdict at the criminal trial itself.
A grand jury works closely with the prosecutor and helps the prosecutor decide whether to file charges against a suspect. Prosecutors use grand jury proceedings as test-runs for trials. However, if the prosecutor strongly disagrees with a grand jury, they can choose to reject the decision.
The grand jurors have the power to examine almost any kind of evidence they deem important and to interrogate anyone they choose. The procedure for grand jury hearings is relaxed to allow the jurors as much flexibility as possible. The rules of evidence permit much more evidence than is allowed at a criminal trial. Grand jury proceedings are held in strict confidence to encourage witnesses to speak freely, as well as to protect the suspect if the grand jury decides not to bring charges.
A grand jury does not have to be unanimous to issue an indictment, but two-thirds or three-quarters of the individual grand jurors must agree (depending on the jurisdiction).
Ron
jan dupree - Posted - 03/18/2021: 06:47:31
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The numbers of Rape against Black Women by White Men is so rare it cannot be calculated. united states - Are these rape statistics correct regarding rapes of black women by white men between 2003 and 2008 in USA? - Skeptics Stack Exchange Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas (freerepublic.com) These links show everything you need to know about Crime rates by Race in the U.S. and White Crime rate does'nt even come close to matching.
Edited by - jan dupree on 03/18/2021 06:57:49
DC5 - Posted - 03/18/2021: 06:54:16
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The numbers of Rape against Black Women by White Men is so rare it cannot be calculated. united states - Are these rape statistics correct regarding rapes of black women by white men between 2003 and 2008 in USA? - Skeptics Stack ExchangeThe Truth of Interracial Rape in the United States – David Duke.com Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas (freerepublic.com) These links show everything you need to know about Crime rates by Race in the U.S. and White Crime rate does'nt even come close to matching.
You use a Klan member to dispute my claim that the Klan is responsible for 80% of all the rapes of black women? Of course David Duke will deny my claim. It is not relevant because I made up the claim, but I also claim that you cannot prove me wrong.
Banjonewguy - Posted - 03/18/2021: 07:11:20
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The numbers of Rape against Black Women by White Men is so rare it cannot be calculated. united states - Are these rape statistics correct regarding rapes of black women by white men between 2003 and 2008 in USA? - Skeptics Stack Exchange Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas (freerepublic.com) These links show everything you need to know about Crime rates by Race in the U.S. and White Crime rate does'nt even come close to matching.
Again Jan, you are using trerms like "3 times more likely" when that has squat to do with percentages. Yes, three times more likely BASED ON THEIR DAMNED POPULATION. Seeing as they are 13% of the population, that means they are committing crimes as though they are 36%. That still leaves 64% of the population to commit crimes. I don't know how many different times and ways it has to be explained to you before it sinks in. I also see that now that you have been thoroughly destroyed you are changing the parameters by throwing in things like "Black on white v white on black". Yes, those make for a good old emotion driven bashing session, but in real numbers your point is as flat as the moment you said 13% commits 80% of all violent crime. It is plain to see that no amount of facts that are put in front of you, even your own links that you love to quote, aren't going to stem the flow of regurgitated false statistics based on ignorance of the differences between rates and percentages, so I give up.
jan dupree - Posted - 03/18/2021: 07:37:16
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The numbers of Rape against Black Women by White Men is so rare it cannot be calculated. united states - Are these rape statistics correct regarding rapes of black women by white men between 2003 and 2008 in USA? - Skeptics Stack ExchangeThe Truth of Interracial Rape in the United States – David Duke.com Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas (freerepublic.com) These links show everything you need to know about Crime rates by Race in the U.S. and White Crime rate does'nt even come close to matching.
You use a Klan member to dispute my claim that the Klan is responsible for 80% of all the rapes of black women? Of course David Duke will deny my claim. It is not relevant because I made up the claim, but I also claim that you cannot prove me wrong.
2 other articles produced the same information, and his article included Government Statistics before they started censoring the information. There is no way you are going to convince Americans that White people are responsible for the majority of the Violent Crime in this Country. If you still believe it, I have several Neighborhoods in Miami, or almost any other City of any size, that you can walk through anytime you like Day or Night.
jan dupree - Posted - 03/18/2021: 07:42:32
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
For once Jan, why don't you go to the direct source of this information? You don't seem to understand that in a world of facts, not many people are going to listen to you citing "White Girl Bleed a Lot" when actual FBI crime statistics are being laid out in front of you. They aren't going to tally up how many Youtube videos you post to counter statistical analysis compiled from
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I posted the stats, and another Member posted the stats. You just refuse to look at it. 12% of the Population in America is committing 80% of the violent crimes, and when you consider the large Prison Population of that Group who are behind bars at any given time, the stats are even more alarming, and the rape statistics are literally off the chart.
No Jan, someone posted the stats that you misinterpreted and are basing everything on rates. I and others have pointed out if you look at percentages instead of rates even you would see you are wrong. Also, if you have a chart that accounts for all data, how can something be "litterally" off of that chart?
You keep banging on about this vast majority of blacks that are being classed as hispanic yet, like most other "facts" that you post, you provide nothing of substance to back it up. I can't tell you how many other data challenged "13/90" idiots I've had this exact same discussion with over the years and it's always the same. They all try to counter with internet videos and conjecture. Usually one of two things happen when you give actual proof: they either slink back to stormfront or they completely ignore real data and throw out even more stupid.
Get on I-95 and travel South into Florida, continue on into Miami, take the 79th street West exit and continue about half a mile. Get out and start walking about midnight. Let me know how far you get, don't bother going back to your car because it won't be there. That is one test a Liberal will never take you up on. They talk all day long, but will never back it up with the walk through the Neighborhood test, much less live there. I lived in Miami for 50 years, I can direct you to the Neighborhoods if you want to prove me wrong.
Edited by - jan dupree on 03/18/2021 07:46:08
Edthebanjo - Posted - 03/18/2021: 07:44:03
This is actually embarrassing to read...
Banjonewguy - Posted - 03/18/2021: 07:58:56
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
For once Jan, why don't you go to the direct source of this information? You don't seem to understand that in a world of facts, not many people are going to listen to you citing "White Girl Bleed a Lot" when actual FBI crime statistics are being laid out in front of you. They aren't going to tally up how many Youtube videos you post to counter statistical analysis compiled from
7
I posted the stats, and another Member posted the stats. You just refuse to look at it. 12% of the Population in America is committing 80% of the violent crimes, and when you consider the large Prison Population of that Group who are behind bars at any given time, the stats are even more alarming, and the rape statistics are literally off the chart.
No Jan, someone posted the stats that you misinterpreted and are basing everything on rates. I and others have pointed out if you look at percentages instead of rates even you would see you are wrong. Also, if you have a chart that accounts for all data, how can something be "litterally" off of that chart?
You keep banging on about this vast majority of blacks that are being classed as hispanic yet, like most other "facts" that you post, you provide nothing of substance to back it up. I can't tell you how many other data challenged "13/90" idiots I've had this exact same discussion with over the years and it's always the same. They all try to counter with internet videos and conjecture. Usually one of two things happen when you give actual proof: they either slink back to stormfront or they completely ignore real data and throw out even more stupid.
Get on I-95 and travel South into Florida, continue on into Miami, take the 79th street West exit and continue about half a mile. Get out and start walking about midnight. Let me know how far you get, don't bother going back to your car because it won't be there. That is one test a Liberal will never take you up on. They talk all day long, but will never back it up with the walk through the Neighborhood test, much less live there. I lived in Miami for 50 years, I can direct you to the Neighborhoods if you want to prove me wrong.
So now I'm a liberal? You aren't only not in the same ballpark, you aren't even playing the same sport. I can tell you a lot of white neighborhoods I wouldn't take a midnight stroll through.
Ron C - Posted - 03/18/2021: 07:59:48
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The numbers of Rape against Black Women by White Men is so rare it cannot be calculated. united states - Are these rape statistics correct regarding rapes of black women by white men between 2003 and 2008 in USA? - Skeptics Stack Exchange Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas (freerepublic.com) These links show everything you need to know about Crime rates by Race in the U.S. and White Crime rate does'nt even come close to matching.
Amazing! Klan member cited as an expert or source of credible information. I am trying to resist stooping to a level of spouting insults and condemnation. It's amazing to still see Klan-type thinking in 2021.
jan dupree - Posted - 03/18/2021: 08:26:12
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
For once Jan, why don't you go to the direct source of this information? You don't seem to understand that in a world of facts, not many people are going to listen to you citing "White Girl Bleed a Lot" when actual FBI crime statistics are being laid out in front of you. They aren't going to tally up how many Youtube videos you post to counter statistical analysis compiled from
7
I posted the stats, and another Member posted the stats. You just refuse to look at it. 12% of the Population in America is committing 80% of the violent crimes, and when you consider the large Prison Population of that Group who are behind bars at any given time, the stats are even more alarming, and the rape statistics are literally off the chart.
No Jan, someone posted the stats that you misinterpreted and are basing everything on rates. I and others have pointed out if you look at percentages instead of rates even you would see you are wrong. Also, if you have a chart that accounts for all data, how can something be "litterally" off of that chart?
You keep banging on about this vast majority of blacks that are being classed as hispanic yet, like most other "facts" that you post, you provide nothing of substance to back it up. I can't tell you how many other data challenged "13/90" idiots I've had this exact same discussion with over the years and it's always the same. They all try to counter with internet videos and conjecture. Usually one of two things happen when you give actual proof: they either slink back to stormfront or they completely ignore real data and throw out even more stupid.
Get on I-95 and travel South into Florida, continue on into Miami, take the 79th street West exit and continue about half a mile. Get out and start walking about midnight. Let me know how far you get, don't bother going back to your car because it won't be there. That is one test a Liberal will never take you up on. They talk all day long, but will never back it up with the walk through the Neighborhood test, much less live there. I lived in Miami for 50 years, I can direct you to the Neighborhoods if you want to prove me wrong.
So now I'm a liberal? You aren't only not in the same ballpark, you aren't even playing the same sport. I can tell you a lot of white neighborhoods I wouldn't take a midnight stroll through.
The majority of Violent Crimes perpetrated by Whites are Domestic in Nature involving Family Members or Friends, especially Murder and Aggravated Assault. The vast majority of Predatory Crimes, which involve a Perpetrator going out and targeting an unknown victim, are overwhelmingly committed by Blacks. In reality that is all People are concerned with, you are trying to interpret statistics in a way that denies this fact. That is something you will never be able to do. Whites are not roaming around our Cities preying on People By killing, robbing, raping, and car jacking them. And Gang Violence among Whites is practically non-existent.
jan dupree - Posted - 03/18/2021: 08:28:11
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Originally posted by Ron C
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The numbers of Rape against Black Women by White Men is so rare it cannot be calculated. united states - Are these rape statistics correct regarding rapes of black women by white men between 2003 and 2008 in USA? - Skeptics Stack Exchange Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas (freerepublic.com) These links show everything you need to know about Crime rates by Race in the U.S. and White Crime rate does'nt even come close to matching.
Amazing! Klan member cited as an expert or source of credible information. I am trying to resist stooping to a level of spouting insults and condemnation. It's amazing to still see Klan-type thinking in 2021.
I guess you missed the FBI Statistical Chart included in the article, which is not surprising because you can't twist that one around. The article is totally Documented.
DC5 - Posted - 03/18/2021: 08:45:18
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The numbers of Rape against Black Women by White Men is so rare it cannot be calculated. united states - Are these rape statistics correct regarding rapes of black women by white men between 2003 and 2008 in USA? - Skeptics Stack ExchangeThe Truth of Interracial Rape in the United States – David Duke.com Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas (freerepublic.com) These links show everything you need to know about Crime rates by Race in the U.S. and White Crime rate does'nt even come close to matching.
You use a Klan member to dispute my claim that the Klan is responsible for 80% of all the rapes of black women? Of course David Duke will deny my claim. It is not relevant because I made up the claim, but I also claim that you cannot prove me wrong.
2 other articles produced the same information, and his article included Government Statistics before they started censoring the information. There is no way you are going to convince Americans that White people are responsible for the majority of the Violent Crime in this Country. If you still believe it, I have several Neighborhoods in Miami, or almost any other City of any size, that you can walk through anytime you like Day or Night.
In 1980 I walked through Harlem and South Bronx in the middle of the night, you think I'm afraid of Miami?
DC5 - Posted - 03/18/2021: 08:49:15
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by DC5
You talk percent, but the link it to rate of crime per 100,000 in age group. Select the row percent button and we see that for all offenses Whites 70%, Blacks 27%, American Indian 2% and Asian 1%. For violent crimes we have White 59%, Black 37%, American Indian 2%, and Asian 2%.
This is using the data table that you presented, just clicked on the tab that matches what you claim.
ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.a...doData=rp
Whites outdo Blacks in Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, Motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property, weapons, prostitution, drug abuse, offenses against the family and children, DUI, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, Vagrancy, all other offenses (except traffic), property crime, and violent crimes.
Thank you for posting the link, it was a real eye opener. I guess White Supremacy means supreme in committing crime.
The subject is violent crimes, Murder, Rape, Armed Robbery, Car Jacking, Home Invasions, Drive By Shootings, Knock Out Games, and Random Street beatings, stabbings, Gang related Violence and setting People on Fire. 12% of the Population commits at least 80% of those crimes. The other crimes you mentioned were never mentioned by me. They had to combine Manslaughter in with Murder to skew the stats. That stat chart you posted is inaccurate to say the least. In Murders alone, Blacks make up 12% of the Population, but commit 53% of the Murders. That is totally astounding to say the least. And with Armed Robberies and Muggings the percentages are even higher, with non-familiar Rape states just totally off the charts.
Jan, I used the link that you provided. Now you tell me that that link is inaccurate? Make up your mind. Show me a link with verifiable data that shows your new claims. It seems that every time someone blows a hole in your claim you make up more stuff without providing evidence. I can make up stuff too. 80% of all rapes on black women is done by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The numbers of Rape against Black Women by White Men is so rare it cannot be calculated. united states - Are these rape statistics correct regarding rapes of black women by white men between 2003 and 2008 in USA? - Skeptics Stack ExchangeThe Truth of Interracial Rape in the United States – David Duke.com Federal Statistics of black on white violence, with links and mathematical extrapolation formulas (freerepublic.com) These links show everything you need to know about Crime rates by Race in the U.S. and White Crime rate does'nt even come close to matching.
You use a Klan member to dispute my claim that the Klan is responsible for 80% of all the rapes of black women? Of course David Duke will deny my claim. It is not relevant because I made up the claim, but I also claim that you cannot prove me wrong.
2 other articles produced the same information, and his article included Government Statistics before they started censoring the information. There is no way you are going to convince Americans that White people are responsible for the majority of the Violent Crime in this Country. If you still believe it, I have several Neighborhoods in Miami, or almost any other City of any size, that you can walk through anytime you like Day or Night.
Yeah, my claim about the Klan committing 80% of the rapes of black woman would be easy to find the stats on if it weren't for censorship. I started a whole thread on censorship, but it got locked. It's the cancel culture preventing me from telling the truth about white men raping black women. That's because the media is controlled by white men who don't want the truth revealed. All the sites that show the statistics have been taken down by the censors.
DC5 - Posted - 03/18/2021: 08:55:03
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Originally posted by jan dupree
The majority of Violent Crimes perpetrated by Whites are Domestic in Nature involving Family Members or Friends, especially Murder and Aggravated Assault. The vast majority of Predatory Crimes, which involve a Perpetrator going out and targeting an unknown victim, are overwhelmingly committed by Blacks. In reality that is all People are concerned with, you are trying to interpret statistics in a way that denies this fact. That is something you will never be able to do. Whites are not roaming around our Cities preying on People By killing, robbing, raping, and car jacking them. And Gang Violence among Whites is practically non-existent.
That's because whites organized crime back in the 1920's and 30's and never relinquished control. The great majority, 95%, of all organized crime; extortion, prostitution, drugs and murder is committed either by or at the demand and control of these white mobsters. Why do you think they killed Whitey Bulger? He even has white in his name, but while in prison he was going to deal with the Feds, so they had him killed before he could tell the truth. The FBI was in on it, but censors blocked any publication of the facts.
Banjonewguy - Posted - 03/18/2021: 09:06:27
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
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Originally posted by jan dupree
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Originally posted by Banjonewguy
For once Jan, why don't you go to the direct source of this information? You don't seem to understand that in a world of facts, not many people are going to listen to you citing "White Girl Bleed a Lot" when actual FBI crime statistics are being laid out in front of you. They aren't going to tally up how many Youtube videos you post to counter statistical analysis compiled from
7
I posted the stats, and another Member posted the stats. You just refuse to look at it. 12% of the Population in America is committing 80% of the violent crimes, and when you consider the large Prison Population of that Group who are behind bars at any given time, the stats are even more alarming, and the rape statistics are literally off the chart.
No Jan, someone posted the stats that you misinterpreted and are basing everything on rates. I and others have pointed out if you look at percentages instead of rates even you would see you are wrong. Also, if you have a chart that accounts for all data, how can something be "litterally" off of that chart?
You keep banging on about this vast majority of blacks that are being classed as hispanic yet, like most other "facts" that you post, you provide nothing of substance to back it up. I can't tell you how many other data challenged "13/90" idiots I've had this exact same discussion with over the years and it's always the same. They all try to counter with internet videos and conjecture. Usually one of two things happen when you give actual proof: they either slink back to stormfront or they completely ignore real data and throw out even more stupid.
Get on I-95 and travel South into Florida, continue on into Miami, take the 79th street West exit and continue about half a mile. Get out and start walking about midnight. Let me know how far you get, don't bother going back to your car because it won't be there. That is one test a Liberal will never take you up on. They talk all day long, but will never back it up with the walk through the Neighborhood test, much less live there. I lived in Miami for 50 years, I can direct you to the Neighborhoods if you want to prove me wrong.
So now I'm a liberal? You aren't only not in the same ballpark, you aren't even playing the same sport. I can tell you a lot of white neighborhoods I wouldn't take a midnight stroll through.
The majority of Violent Crimes perpetrated by Whites are Domestic in Nature involving Family Members or Friends, especially Murder and Aggravated Assault. The vast majority of Predatory Crimes, which involve a Perpetrator going out and targeting an unknown victim, are overwhelmingly committed by Blacks. In reality that is all People are concerned with, you are trying to interpret statistics in a way that denies this fact. That is something you will never be able to do. Whites are not roaming around our Cities preying on People By killing, robbing, raping, and car jacking them. And Gang Violence among Whites is practically non-existent.
So murder, rape, and assault aren't murder, rape, and assault as long as they are domestic? Good to know Jan, good to know.
So I guess now you are going to say that the estimated 10-11% of all gang members that are white in the US are all non-violent?
nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-...ographics
Maybe the only crimes YOU are concerned with are the ones that can be pinned on black people, but the majority of us are probably concerned with anyone doing us bodily harm regardless of race.
And I would LOVE to know how statistics deny fact. Oh, I see, they deny what you want to believe is fact. That's why you keep narrowing the parameters every time someone proves your drivel wrong.
DC5 - Posted - 03/18/2021: 09:25:43
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Originally posted by jan dupree
The majority of Violent Crimes perpetrated by Whites are Domestic in Nature involving Family Members or Friends, especially Murder and Aggravated Assault. The vast majority of Predatory Crimes, which involve a Perpetrator going out and targeting an unknown victim, are overwhelmingly committed by Blacks. In reality that is all People are concerned with, you are trying to interpret statistics in a way that denies this fact. That is something you will never be able to do. Whites are not roaming around our Cities preying on People By killing, robbing, raping, and car jacking them. And Gang Violence among Whites is practically non-existent.
When I was in high school I got jumped by 8 white guys, fortunately a police cruiser showed up before I was too badly beaten. In my twenties I was jumped outside a bar by 3 white guys and they put me in the hospital with stitches in my head from when they kept kicking me. Twice I had white males attempt sexual assault on me. So that2 1 of me, 12 of them so my statistics show that 1200% of violent crime on white males is done by white males. I've never been harmed by a black person so 0% of all assaults on white males are perpetrated by black males. I published the data on this, but it got censured by the cancel culture.
Texasbanjo - Posted - 03/18/2021: 11:06:31
This topic is getting somewhat out of hand. I think it needs a time out.
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