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Hi all, I'm building a resonator back banjo with an ash block rim, and need some advice. I have a neck that has no holes drilled in it, and I cannot find coordinator rods (all the online shops are sold out). So I'm looking at alternatives.
I have a vintage Kay eye-hole rod from the 1930s, but it might be a bit short - it's just long enough to extend through the tailpiece end of the rim but long enough to protrude out the other side to accept a nut for securing it. I have thought about adding a metal spacer at the heel end side for the hex nut to rest against, as opposed to the rim itself, which would give me some added length at the opposite end, but I would prefer a cleaner solution.
Another option is to attach the neck using two hanger bolts and not use a coordinator rod at all. The ash rim is quite solid and strong, but I worry that under string tension the banjo will not hold its tuning or else the rim will warp over time.
I'm curious: What other options might there be? And do you think the two hanger bolt option might actually work well? I've seen videos on YouTube of people doing this, and I know there's at least one banjo builder who employs this method, but I can't help thinking: If it works so well, why don't more people do it?
I use a variation on dowel sticks. The Co-rod and dowels are keeping the string tension on the neck from busting the rim. I use a dowel that is glued in place. The neck uses one or two lags and nuts to mount to the rim.
Usually use a single dowel but clearance to the lag can be an issue.
Have never had an issue with this set up. And it makes neck removal simple.
Tom, this looks interesting - so your dowels don't run into the neck heel at all then? You use hanger bolts to attach the neck to the rim, and then have dowels running through the rim just to provide some additional structural support? How do you attach the dowels, and do they run through the rim at all or are they sized just to fit snugly from wall to wall, and then secured with screws from the outside in?
I added a second simple rod of threaded rod stock from ACE hardware, to my goodtime rim. It was warping from years of string tension, and the existing single rod just exacerbated the warp when trying to adjust it. With the second rod, I now have a perfectly round and adjustable rim.
I don’t see any reason you couldn’t use threaded rod to support your rim, and either bolt the neck on, through separate mount points, or even use threaded rod as co-rods, using coupling nuts to the threaded studs (hanger bolts). hanger bolts are standard hardware, and available at ACE as well.
I use Titiebond II. Since the dowels are under tension, a small diameter( 1/4" to 5/16") oak dowel is fine. Use a forstner bit to drill.
Dean's suggestion of a threaded rod works well, too. Same structural support.
You could also use a flat stick. I did one with a carbon fiber stick about 1/8" thick x 1/2" wide, screwed to the bottom of the pot.
Thanks for the suggestions. RioStat , I saw that listing but those rods are 9 3/4", so they're a bit short. I'll look into the dowel sticks and threaded rod from ACE options. I just want to be sure that I have a reliable and solid method of attaching the neck because the components I've collected for this banjo are really nice, and I want the full instrument to live up to its parts. I'd be upset if the neck just didn't join correctly or if the rim warped.
I built another resonator back earlier this year that I love, but it's imperfect - it's got a 12" rim and I secured the neck with two hanger bolts, and then ran a 3/4" dowel from one bolt through the rim's body to the other end, where it's secured with a tailpiece screw. It works, but between the 12" rim and the somewhat jerry rigged neck connection/dowel construction, the tuning can be a bit wonky. I'm trying to avoid that this time around.
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