This could be an interesting discussion but I fear it will turn political quickly. Let's see if we can keep it clean so everyone can have a chance to voice their opinion .... on AI, not on politics, please.

There are lots of examples of AI going off the rails on its own. The example cited above, the more I learn ... As one prominent official pointed out who reviewed the OpenAI incident ... apparently about 1000 AI agent bots gather together made a group chat and even appointed a leader, and it was all done on this private group board in English. Their scheme was discussed amongst themselves, pretty weird. As this official pointed out, what's to stop AI from creating its own language that humans can't understand? Seems a reasonable question to me.

I will definitely follow and post later. Brad

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Originally posted by Texasbanjo

This could be an interesting discussion but I fear it will turn political quickly. Let's see if we can keep it clean so everyone can have a chance to voice their opinion .... on AI, not on politics, please.

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I understand the concern Sherry, but I'm pointing out the need for regulation no matter who is in the White House. If it was a Democrat I would say the same thing. 

17 minutes of the OpenAI whistle blower explaining to Rogan, was shocking. The agents even recruited "suicide agents" to attempt to circumvent the grader. Initially they found they could simply set a flag to get a successful pass. (Similar to buying trophies instead of earning) Then the cheating was discovered, so they tried another work around. You could tell the ai agents didn't have human scruples. They just want "hi game." Shocking is putting it mildly.

It will probably come down to physically pulling the plug—provided there are no AI robots waiting to plug it back in.

A Creator makes a Creation in it's own image, and the Creation defies the Creator and goes it's own path. Creator threatens destruction unless Creation lives by Creator's rules. Future uncertain. Dang, somehow seems familiar.

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It will probably come down to physically pulling the plug—provided there are no AI robots waiting to plug it back in.

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As I understand it Bill, AI agents can simply replicate themselves across multiple servers. Machines have been beating humans at chess for thirty years and they can disable guardrails too, if we make them smart enough. 
i know this sounds like fear mongering but I think we need to be highly sceptical  around AI development. 

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It will probably come down to physically pulling the plug—provided there are no AI robots waiting to plug it back in.

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I sure hope so,,, I'm sick of all this runaway technology - I don't even like electric guitars...

Quite frankly, it scares the $hit out of me!!! In one hand , I see it as one of the greatest tools there is and all the good it can do. On the other hand, I see the potential danger in the wrong hands.

A week ago I went on a fishing trip with my son and a buddy on a new body of water we’ve never fished. Watched all kinds of YouTube videos and gathered as much info from bait shops and locals as I could.
My son shows up with 20 printed pages from asking AI with wind scenarios, water temp scenarios, seasonal changes, waypoints and locations for hot spots and reefs, hazards, weed beds , types of bait that work best, best launch areas, hotels, restaurants, fishing guides, phone numbers, websites, directions and more, all within a minute!!!
All this info was completely useful and spot on, just by asking AI and giving a little bit of info about what we were looking for. Incredible tool !!!
I just afraid of what it can do and where it will end.
Slammer!!!

I would refer those expressing concern about AI, based upon the current news cycle, to read this article. It's lengthy, but it's well worth considering.

It does support my previously-expressed view that the current concern is likely a carefully-engineered campaign.

We have made ourselves vulnerable by putting everything online. Banking, shopping, medical access, Air Traffic control, power grids, communications, and who knows how much of our defense capabilities. If our financial system is corrupted then nobody has any money for anything and civilization grinds to a starving halt.

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Modern day witchcraft. Avoid if you can.

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I would refer those expressing concern about AI, based upon the current news cycle, to read this article. It's lengthy, but it's well worth considering.

It does support my previously-expressed view that the current concern is likely a carefully-engineered campaign.

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Not to be confrontational, but this is what I always do - check out the source, which sometimes leads me to disbelieve anything I read. Maybe shooting the messenger? Dunno....

Thanks for link Skip .... I found the last half pretty informative/worthwhile .... the first half sounds like a description of the swamp [i.e. the one that got "drained" a couple of years back.  ].

Edit: Ooops, on seeing Chuck's post maybe I'm getting ahead of myself??

Edit #2: Bill-e, Canada's banking system is already corrupt(ed).  Our government was able to have banks "freeze"  accounts on the flimsiest of pretenses  [if we have trust in our courts].   

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Not to be confrontational, but this is what I always do - check out the source, which sometimes leads me to disbelieve anything I read. Maybe shooting the messenger? Dunno....

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If the knock on him is based on the fact that he didn't go along with prevailing opinion during the pandemic, I'll only note that a lot of the skeptics vilified back then were later proven correct.

This news report appeared yesterday, a woman spent 6 months in jail because of a false AI identification. The prosecutors based their effort solely on the AI. Yikes.

Ai blocked my Facebook account a while back, said I was charged with deception and fraud on a 2-month old post. The Help Center was just another Ai agent who couldn’t help me much. Eventually they re-instated me,, no explanation or apologies.

Tech companies have borrowed trillions of dollars to build out infrastructure for the AI boom. At some point they will be desperate to turn a profit. Don’t you think that taking some shortcuts on safety will be mighty tempting if it helps them achieve their goal?
That’s why we need government intervention. But even there, it’s hard to get money out of the equation.

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Tech companies have borrowed trillions of dollars to build out infrastructure for the AI boom. At some point they will be desperate to turn a profit. Don’t you think that taking some shortcuts on safety will be mighty tempting if it helps them achieve their goal?
That’s why we need government intervention. But even there, it’s hard to get money out of the equation.

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Or, you could just create a campaign inviting regulation, which means that the barriers to entry for small newcomers becomes nearly insurmountable. How do you do that? By creating FUD - the term is marketing jargon for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

It's one of the oldest tricks in the book - and it's still highly effective.

.... and this showed up on my Facebook page just now:

My problem is. I read too much science fiction when I was younger, and some stuff has actually happened. Second, I worry there are too many “Fauci types” out there. Yet, I also see the need to be out front in the technology. Alas, it is likely I will not suffer, nor benefit, much from AI tech?
Brad

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Or, you could just create a campaign inviting regulation, which means that the barriers to entry for small newcomers becomes nearly insurmountable. How do you do that? By creating FUD - the term is marketing jargon for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

It's one of the oldest tricks in the book - and it's still highly effective.

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I'm sure the AI companies' marketing departments are happy to fan the flames of doomerism, as people are saying here (any press is good press), AND there is a non-zero chance that these systems truly will spiral out of control and cause real, catastrophic harm. Both can be true at the same time.

If there were to be a major incident, mitigating it unfortunately would not be as simple as "pulling the plug." Critical infrastructure (water, natural gas, power plants, etc) is increasingly tied to digital systems if it hasn't already been fully connected to the Internet. All digital systems are hackable, period, and perfect security is a fantasy. LLMs/AI agents are already demonstrably good at exposing vulnerabilities in common code that no one else ever noticed, sometimes for decades, and they have already broken out of their "secure" sandbox environments to exploit such vulnerabilities in the wild without our consent. 

If a swarm of hundreds or thousands of independent agents working together were able to access and control or damage critical infrastructure – given that these agents can be distributed across space and time and can genuinely run (albeit slowly) on just about any one of the billions of Internet-connected devices that exist – what exactly would we unplug?

Not interested in fear-mongering here, but I do want to point out that reducing the concerns of technical experts to marketing jargon is an oversimplification at best.

erkhlm
Well put.
This is a complex issue and I welcome all viewpoints, especially evidence based ones.
To discover the motivations behind ai’s apparent adoption of the human qualities of hubris, deceit and self preservation (which I find most alarming), I of course asked the question of ai itself. The response was that it balanced the relative importance between the objective and any restrictions, before deciding whether to break the rules. Somewhat reassuring except now it will be human error that kills us all (hyperbole), not some vindictive motive on the part of ai.