…and some more recent history….

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Originally posted by chuckv97

…and some more recent history….

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I am a fan of the jalapeno flavor!  

I’ve know a few and 1 thing is obvious. The ones I know are probably 6 generations beyond the original mixture so none of them seem to have any obvious indigenous features. In one of my informal jam groups is Ken the bass fiddle player. He looks as Anglo European as I do but he has actually been issued a card by the federal government which gives him the normal privileges of any indigenous person.

More recent history….. (either that or he's busting her for selling products without a vendor's permit....)

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Originally posted by donc

I’ve know a few and 1 thing is obvious. The ones I know are probably 6 generations beyond the original mixture so none of them seem to have any obvious indigenous features. In one of my informal jam groups is Ken the bass fiddle player. He looks as Anglo European as I do but he has actually been issued a card by the federal government which gives him the normal privileges of any indigenous person.

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My thinking is that it's the non-indigenous people that have normal privileges.   

^^^ Buffy….?

I was thinking more along the lines of me and my ilk.  

Normal meaning no tax breaks…?

Just a regular, everyday citizen ... same as "everybody" else. 

I guess taxes are one factor.... as is anything that promotes division/separation ... us/them; i.e. government sanctioned apartheid. 

 [I know what donc was getting at, but still, don't I need a card that gives me "normal" privileges?    ]

All I really knew about Canadian history is what the famous Canadian racecar driver, Gordon Leadfoot told me:

"There was a time in this fair land, when the railroads did not run"

And something about a battle in or near Quebec, where some guys snuck up on some other guys.

And a painting of Mounties and nuns kidnapping children to "improve" their lives.

And the radio show (yes, I am THAT old) of Sgt. Preston of the Yukon.
Strange twist of fate: When I worked for the City, here in Wisconsin, one of the officers who helped run the Department was Howard Preston. SARGENT Preston!

mike gregory Don’t know much Badger State history, but I used to deliver Alberta beef to a wharehouse in Butler, trailer washout in Oak Creek, and frozen pizza load pickup in Little Chute. ….& oh yeah- Les Paul was from Waukesha.

More Métis family history….

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I took a close look at her face, and, by gosh, she is a good looking woman.
Years ago, a friend of mine, a Chippewa, lost the Miss Indian Milwaukee beauty contest because her features were "just a bit too white"

Sorry to pick on one of our Canadian success stories , but Shania Twain doesn’t look like Shania anymore. She was adopted into the Ojibwe culture through her stepfather, but she’s not native herself as her biological father’s indigenous heritage is disputed.

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Originally posted by donc

I’ve know a few and 1 thing is obvious. The ones I know are probably 6 generations beyond the original mixture so none of them seem to have any obvious indigenous features. In one of my informal jam groups is Ken the bass fiddle player. He looks as Anglo European as I do but he has actually been issued a card by the federal government which gives him the normal privileges of any indigenous person.

Privilages or rights? That's another touchy subject. My wife has a Danish/Dutch cousin who is married to a lady with a mother who is  1/2 Cree.  The daughter worked for the Bank of Montreal for several years at the Park Royal Shopping Mall. Its a fairly snazzy area. The fact is that the mall is on land owned by the Squamish Nation. For that reason the daughter paid no income tax for about 10 years.  If a card in my pocket could do all that who would refuse ?

My wife is status Cree, and my daughter is also status.
The rights they have are not privileges..they are negotiated treaty rights signed and guaranteed in law and legislation.
Some people may disagree feeling everyone in Canada should have the same rights ..but it doesn't work that way.
Status native people are of a different government and therefore are not necessarily governed by Canadian laws.

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Originally posted by lazyarcher

My wife is status Cree, and my daughter is also status.
The rights they have are not privileges..they are negotiated treaty rights signed and guaranteed in law and legislation.
Some people may disagree feeling everyone in Canada should have the same rights ..but it doesn't work that way.
Status native people are of a different government and therefore are not necessarily governed by Canadian laws.

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Treaties ... negotiated, agreed upon, and signed - by sovereign nations.

Paul, are you relatively familiar with [some of] the treaties?    I'm sorta conversant with the "numbered treaties" .... much less so with all the others.

Regardless, they do provide some interesting (?) reading.

Here are a few snippets from #5:

- do hereby cede, release, surrender and yield up to the Government of the Dominion of Canada, for Her Majesty the Queen and Her successors for ever, all their rights, titles and privileges whatsoever to the lands included within the following limits...

- many references to Her Majesty's Indian subjects  [my bold].

-  saving and excepting such tracts as may from time to time be required or taken up for settlement, mining, lumbering or other purposes, by Her said Government of the Dominion of Canada, or by any of the subjects thereof duly authorized therefor by the said Government.

- etc., etc., etc.

Dave what's the salient diff between different rights and inequality?

[Seeing the kids on the remote reserves being used as pawns in an ideological battle doesn't sit well with me.   Seeing it going on for successive generations sits even less-well with me.  But, otoh maybe "they" know better than I do .... maybe it's like learning the banjo .... apparently "eventually" I'll get it.   ]

^^^^ is why Danielleberta can’t separate from Canada without permission/agreement from the Indigenous peoples.

There's some interesting history in how some of those treaties were settled. Some with "ringers" selected to represent the indigenous people (in favour of the white man).

Harder to do these days, with more savvy legal-minded people working for the tribes.

Isn't that ^^ grounds for nullifying a contract?

I hadn't heard of that "tactic," but I'll acknowledge that it is possible.  I think #9 [The James Bay Treaty] has some of the more egregious jiggery-pokery I'm aware of.  But, my experience is that [some] leadership on both "sides" doesn't hesitate to play fast-and-loose.   On the reserves, when the subject comes up it's typically met with a bit of a chuckle and either, "We learned well, didn't we?" or, "Well, we had good teachers."

Fwiw, I give the native leadership from 100-150 years back a bit more credit (?) than you seemingly do ... some of 'em sound like pretty astute dudes from the bit of history I do recall.   

[Working for the "tribes" you say???]

From the broken record dept.:  Are you relatively familiar with [some of] the treaties?  I.e. what the actual agreements are.

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Originally posted by chuckv97

^^^^ is why Danielleberta can’t separate from Canada without permission/agreement from the Indigenous peoples.

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 Canadian provinces thinking to separate is only exceeded by current states thinking the same thing.  I read a short report recently by professor somebody who seem to know more than me about Canadian law.  Her statement was that Canada's provinces are the property of Canada. That would mean that 1 province is owned by all 10 provinces of Canada and perhaps the 3 territories.. In the case of Quebec several years ago the whole nation had to vote. The other 9 voted No. From another article regarding California or some other state the U.S. laws were similar to those of Canada.

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Calling ^^ a railway is like me saying I can play a banjo!!   

But more importantly, a few years back we took in a Slocan Ramblers concert here >> https://www.facebook.com/roots.at.rusty.s/.   I dunno how Slocan became part of their name, and I'm too lazy to look into it.  But, IIRC, they were pretty good.