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John J - Posted - 10/06/2006: 11:32:00
Dave,
I don't think there is a buy it now price on it.The seller says he will let the auction run all the way through.
John
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 10/06/2006: 13:09:36
It looks to me that the Harmonic Balancer is missing under the coil on this one , do you have the missing part? I have an extra one if you need it .
thumpic2003 - Posted - 10/06/2006: 17:09:19
i used to have one that could verify a flat head and archtop at the same time
thumpic2003 - Posted - 10/06/2006: 17:12:48
forgot to mention, i got it from millijig
bango - Posted - 10/06/2006: 18:09:46
My aunt had one of these in the yard, by the goldfish pond. It was about four feet tall, and more shiny than this example.
HarleyQ - Posted - 10/06/2006: 19:30:54
My Dad was so proud of His Verifier, He named me after it
Hoyt
El Dobro - Posted - 10/06/2006: 21:02:59
I dug further into the junk drawer and found the rest of the accessories that came with my Hoyt-Clagwell Verifyer and installed them for the pic. On the bottom is the adapter for non 20 hole flathead rings. This thing gets cherry red hot when around any kind of archtop ring. You can see the cooling holes on top. On top is the balanceo-weighto transfomer with see-through scanner/bubble. On the right side is the Krell Nocturnal Occilator Bimmer, otherwise known as KNOB, for fine tuning. Most of the parts are made from unobtanium to keep the weight down to 50lbs. since this is the pocket model.
Don
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plunka5 - Posted - 10/06/2006: 21:15:16
Don, the micro-stage level is a welcome addition to the fine accessories that Hoyt Clagwell is known worldwide for. Sure beats the heck out of watching drool from the edges of the mouths of tabacco-chewing banjo players.....well, with all the "pc-ing" going on, a man...uh, person, can't get an honest chew in edgewise....so the new micro-stage level will be a wonderful addition to the "verifying" needs of the pre-war search engines.
btw, does the level a pre-war bubble, or is it a "parts" level?
my hand is out of tune...hold on just a second!
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 10/06/2006: 21:17:49
WOW, that looks like it has the later Turbo Magnet Hydo Occelating Unit attched to the lower right of the Intake Injection Capassitor , or is that all orignal parts ? Its amazing how these things come out of the woodwork, and I though that prewar flatheads were rare. Gruhn had one of these a few years ago and it was said that it came out of Don Renos Granada before Earl got it. But I didnt belive it because I saw the one that Earl has and it has the same serial # in two places one in chalk inside the Resonating Magnafier.
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 10/06/2006: 23:31:15
I just checked ebay and it has 9 bids and is already up to $23,674.19
randybartlett - Posted - 10/07/2006: 09:45:57
Still it is mighty hard to beat the industry standard verifier....
Randy
My playing is a natural product. Minor variations and imperfections are normal and only serve to enhance it's natural beauty.
randybartlett - Posted - 10/07/2006: 11:27:41
When Curtis checked that Cantrell flathead earlier this year, he was standing with the buyer and the seller when they took the resonator off and got the first look inside together.
As a joke, he said, "Gold Star!" and both parties were momentarily shocked.
Randy
My playing is a natural product. Minor variations and imperfections are normal and only serve to enhance it's natural beauty.
brandon113 - Posted - 10/07/2006: 11:35:33
It's a fake look at how the letters line up they look like they were done on a modern die. They were all hand lettered before 56 and there should be a chalk number on the coil.
Brandon
Flatiron Silverbow
Gibson RB250
Great American Firsts:
The Airplane
The automobile assembly line
Landing on the moon
"and" adding a silly little string to the Banjo
Fantastic!
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 10/08/2006: 13:51:21
Well the auction ended early no doubt some collector with deep pockets offered the big bucks just like that Granada that was on there. Some guys have all the luck.
baygawker - Posted - 10/08/2006: 14:58:44
The ORIGINAL Hoyt-Clagwell experts ...
The eBay Verifyer may be gone to a high roller ... BUT the listing did draw enormous interest from some of the worlds top Hoyt-Clagwell enthusists. You can still view the listing at :
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hoyt-Clagwell-V...cmdZViewItem
A careful reading of the Q&A section at the bottom of the page is sure to enlighten even the novice Verifyer hopeful. It is chock full of highly intellegent questions and comments.
Don, Curtis, & Steve ... thanks for keeping the Verifycation business alive !
Edited by - baygawker on 10/09/2006 12:13:27
mponzi - Posted - 10/08/2006: 16:40:06
quote:
Still it is mighty hard to beat the industry standard verifier....
Legend has it that Curtis McPeake first learned to read in a Hoyt-Clagwell catalog. He started verifying as a small child.
He actually wrote the specs for the post-war H-C verifyers right before he became a Bluegrass Boy.
Edited by - mponzi on 10/08/2006 16:41:00
mponzi - Posted - 10/08/2006: 16:44:41
Good thing no one bought the one on eBay. Only 35 feedback scores, and all from Sellers.
Whew. That was close.
bobtheuke - Posted - 10/09/2006: 18:20:05
This will be my last comment . Craig (the seller) JohnJ( a special friend) and myself are the only people alive on the planet other than my mentor (the buyer) who know the whereabouts of the Verifyer.They are all sworn to secrecy.. All i will tell you is that the device has Left America never to return...I feel very sad for all you people in the land of the banjo.
Things are getting much closer to the truth than ever before thanks to "Veritas"element of the verifyer which is working in its new home across the seas....God bless America..and...God save The Queen.
baygawker - Posted - 10/09/2006: 20:57:49
quote:
... Well, I'm upset. I was just trying to figure out how many of my original pre-war 19 hole flathead tonerings I was going to sell in order to bid on the Veryfier. If I only knew who the Seller was.....
... TROLL ON !
"My playing is a natural product. Minor variations and imperfections are normal and only serve to enhance it's natural beauty."
JoJam - Posted - 10/09/2006: 21:21:12
I didn't see an AC plug? Is this the battery powered or 220V version?
Will it identify a cloned flathead ring?
If so, I have a Burlile that I would like to have tested for pre-war content.
After the verification process is there any residual electostatic charge that can be convered to prewar tone during a jam session?
These should sell like hotcakes on Ebay.
You don't know what you've got til it's gone.....
BanjoLink - Posted - 10/10/2006: 12:41:59
Don;
I have followed this thread for some time now and am beginning to think that the Hoyt-Clagwell Verifyer is a total fraud! The only "foolproof" method I know was taught to me by a guy named Curtis, whom has used this method for many years. Please quit jerking these decent (some of them anyway) folks around and admit that the Hoyt-Clagwell is nothing more than a "thing-a-ma-jig".
Incidentally, this photo was taken at 12:30 - and I can prove it! And no, the tailpiece is not original - I have the original in a baggie!
Edited by - BanjoLink on 10/10/2006 12:44:49
El Dobro - Posted - 10/11/2006: 11:32:18
quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
Don;
I have followed this thread for some time now and am beginning to think that the Hoyt-Clagwell Verifyer is a total fraud! The only "foolproof" method I know was taught to me by a guy named Curtis, whom has used this method for many years. Please quit jerking these decent (some of them anyway) folks around and admit that the Hoyt-Clagwell is nothing more than a "thing-a-ma-jig".
Incidentally, this photo was taken at 12:30 - and I can prove it! And no, the tailpiece is not original - I have the original in a baggie!
John,
Banjos may fool the run of the mill verifiers, but they can't fool a genuine Hoyt-Clagwell Verifyer.
Don
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BanjoLink - Posted - 10/11/2006: 12:19:00
Don:
That is an original prewar flathead Mastertone! Is it just a coincidence that the divining rods crossed when I held them over the tone ring?
I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just for your information - that's a pool table that the banjo is sitting on! And those rods are not pool cues. They are curtain rods that my wife "thinks" I am going to install as soon as I finish installing two new light fixtures in the guest bathroom!
beegee - Posted - 10/12/2006: 00:41:40
Is that a pre-war pool table? How about the church pew? Is it pre-war? The rods(curtain or divining) may have gotten confused.
brandon113 - Posted - 10/12/2006: 02:13:11
Those are fake pre war divining rods there is only one prewar verifier and it is kept deep in a cave somewhere in North Carolina and protected by the fellowship of the ring. Think they have something to do with the Masons, anyway there have been few in the fellowship. The first was Uncle Dave. I have said too much better shut up.
Brandon
Flatiron Silverbow
Gibson RB250
Great American Firsts:
The Airplane
The automobile assembly line
Landing on the moon
"and" adding a silly little string to the Banjo
Fantastic!
BanjoLink - Posted - 10/12/2006: 11:57:21
Ok - let's get this straightened out!
The pews are prewar!
The Curtain Rods are not prewar!
The pool table is a custom made (rosewood or some other exotic species) that we bought for the storage cost ($600) from a divorced dentist's wife. One piece slate that weights about 500 Lb. (or at least it feels like). I know my wife had a hard time moving it!
The RB-6 (originally a TB) is an original prewar flathead. How do I know? The guy I bought it from said it was!
The diving rods are not prewar, but were blessed by a real important banjo dude! The great thing about the divining rods is I can be driving down a road and if I get within a couple of hundred feet of a house with a prewar Mastertone in it they will cross. It's a littel risky trying to drive and hold those things, but it is worth it. That's how I have found almost all of my prewar Mastertones. Let's see a Floyd-Cleghorn do that!
davepicks5 - Posted - 10/12/2006: 12:02:18
Link
Now I understand why dem rods is crossin....they is very confused by the tailpiece....what is the story on that "original" tailpiece thingy.
Dave
baygawker - Posted - 10/12/2006: 13:27:01
quote:
Now I understand why dem rods is crossin....they is very confused by the tailpiece....what is the story on that "original" tailpiece thingy.
He already told us that the original tailpiece is safetly tucked away in a prewar baggie that his wife got from a divorced dentist who came over to help them move the pool table and hang the curtains !
... Try to keep up Dave !
Edited by - baygawker on 10/12/2006 13:34:17
davepicks5 - Posted - 10/12/2006: 17:33:45
OOOHHHH OOOOOHHHHH My bad.........
As Stringbean used to say........"I feel so unnecessary".....
Prewar Plastic, now we are gettin sumwhere.... Dave
BanjoLink - Posted - 10/12/2006: 18:15:07
If you were really sharp, you would have noticed right off that the hooks are replacements. Yep - the originals are also in a baggie. The top of one of the hooks broke, so I oput them up. The original tailpiece was starting to crack at the 90 degree bend, so I put the Waverly thingy on! I'm thinking about putting the entire darn banjo in a big baggie and just buying a replacement!
baygawker - Posted - 10/13/2006: 22:55:10
Hey, anyone remember this thread ...
http://www.banjohangout.org/forum/t...PIC_ID=63061
i believe this was El Dobro's spark of inspiration behind the whole Hoyt-Clagwell Verifyer fiasco. One poor fellow has the nerve to ask a community of banjo enthusiasts about the techniques for identifing a genuine prewar flat head tone ring ... and we pelt him with a barrage of thing-a-ma-jigs, gadgits, divining rods, curtain rods, and pecan crackers turned holy grail !
i hope you guys can sleep tonight ! It is hard for me to imagine how any decent 5 string loving BHO member could play into such a complex display of cynisism and satyre. As for me, i am going to pay Rocccoriley a visit, examine his banjo carefully, explain to him, in concrete terms, the fine nuiances of forgery detection, and then buy his fake 1934 flathead Granada for $2,200.00.
Take a few days to reflect and consider your ways ... perhaps the proper sense of reverence and gravity will return to The Collectors Corner in a future thread ... 
Edited by - baygawker on 10/13/2006 23:02:02
mike gregory - Posted - 10/28/2006: 18:53:59
First one I've ever seen that wasn't painted olive drab.
Of course, it's only the SECOND one I've ever seen, so that explains a lot.
The guy brought his in to the Radio Shack where I was working, looking for a replacement part.
Poor fellow didn't realize that the Shack has cut WAY back on the small-parts they used to stock.
The Manager offered to fire up the special order computer, and get him what he needed, but he was very upset. Apparently, he feared that, if word got out that he HAD one (and not an Oriental knockoff), some desperate character might try steal it.
My theory is THAT's why he painted it olive drab: So he could hang it on a peg, next to his camping/hunting gear, and it would blend right in, and nobody would notice it.
Or, did they make them in olve drab finish, so that Our Boys Over There could keep omne handy, in case they found a banjo in a pawnshop?
Mike Gregory, Banjo Maker
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daypicker - Posted - 10/28/2006: 19:17:30
Mike, I was watching the Documentary Channel the other night and saw an interesting item. Apparently during the Korean War, Chinese rings were everywhere. An elite unit of tone ring experts were formed into a unit called 'Original Tone Ring Verification Unit'. The U.S. Government issued each man in the OTRVU an olive drab Hoyt-Clagwell verifyer. After Korea most were melted down, but a few still exist. Some fell into the hands of the enemy. As a result, cheap, Asian verifyers were soon imported by companies stateside. They were crap, but oddly are pretty collectible today.
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 10/30/2006: 21:23:03
I heard that the Asian verifiers didnt work on Gibsons but worked great on a Gold Stars, some thing about them being made out of the same kind of metal from over seas This is my Prewar original 5 string RB 3, even though I havent tried the verifier on it 
mike gregory - Posted - 11/01/2006: 18:27:21
Why bother showing a measuring scale next to the ring? Either get it Verified with a dependable Hoyt-Clagwell, or don't!
As my ex-girlfriend told me, back in 1972:
"If it ain't verified, I don't care WHAT size it is!"
Mike Gregory, Banjo Maker
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Haskells RB3 - Posted - 11/01/2006: 18:54:02
Sorry, I forgot to put this picture in of it being Verified with the Hoyt Clagwell Low Profile Verifier. As you can see the lighting coil is fully illuminated . Pictures dont lie .
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 11/01/2006: 20:00:43
Its the early prototype that was developed for the Low Profile Tonering, thats why it looks different. The ring is out of a 1929 Gibson.
mike gregory - Posted - 11/01/2006: 20:52:31
I stand corrected. I sit with my banjo. I run with my scissors, to cut out and discard my previous comment regarding the lovely and talented HaskellsR3.
Oh, by the way! Why wasn't there any BANJO music in that huge movie they filmed in New Zealand? You know, the one with the hobbits and elves and all. "Lore of the Rings", I think they called it. And here, on the hangout, for a LOT less money, we're discussing the lore of the rings, and having as fine a quest, and as fun an adventure, as any of those furry-toed fellows.
Mike Gregory, Banjo Maker
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Nedski - Posted - 11/02/2006: 10:13:19
There seems to be so much debate about the authenticity of this verifier that perhaps we need a Hoyt-Clagwell pre-war verifier verifier to check it out?
Nedski
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waystation - Posted - 11/10/2006: 17:25:23
quote:
Originally posted by El Dobro
That would be the Hoyt-Clagwell Verifyer-Verifyer. Very rare, haven't seen one pop up on eBay yet.
I thought I found one of those at a yard sale once, but I left my Hoyt-Clagwell Verifyer-Verifyer Verifyer at home so I couldn't tell if it was real.
Banjo - it's what's for dinner.
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