TOMCAT - Posted - 01/19/2015:  18:29:11

Prewar monkeys feet. Now that's rare!!🙊🙈🙉

warpdrive - Posted - 01/19/2015:  18:57:40

yeah terry, wouldn't mind having a yellow boy in 44 mag to match my 2 Ruger 44's but i do own one black gun, a Glock 357, just really like the round, and i am good with it, but i never feel outgunned with a 6 shot single action big bore, shooting 240-320 grainers, don't have to worry about any double taps with those babies!

1fiddle2play - Posted - 01/19/2015:  20:35:55

My single action...

warpdrive - Posted - 01/20/2015:  02:59:11

Richard, That is a fine looking piece, is that a vaquero? and what caliber?

Tim13 - Posted - 01/20/2015:  04:53:19

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Originally posted by warpdrive

Don't worry Tim, THE SELF-APPOINTED PRE-WAR ANTI-CHRIST is always watching!

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Hahahahahaha...   That made actually laugh out loud. 

I'm glad there are still some people around here with a sense of humor!

Tim

warpdrive - Posted - 01/20/2015:  06:17:59

Tim, i officially appoint you as my Cryer(lol) seriously, though, i too find it hilarious that so many fellow pickers can get annoyed so easily at all of our passions, myself included! I'll be the first to admit, i can get waaaay over the top, but then again, i do have some experience with not only being in and around some of the most prized pre-wars and playing them, i mean come on, i worked some of the same shows and dates for years with many of the masters and there sought out pre-war banjos, i am just saying, the wiggle in the worms that these birds are cackling at, have waaaay more to do with the musician than the instrument! i just choose to look at the conundrum from outside the box, and at different angles rather than the sentimental, thats what earl, and sonny and don and jd and a few others played and did, so that deems it so! The ability, and talent comes first, the instrument is only a conduit !

1fiddle2play - Posted - 01/20/2015:  07:21:29

It is 45 long colt and no it's not vaquero. I wish it was in 357 mag though. 45 long colt ammo is hard too find at times and way more expensive then 38 or 357 mag. It's a fun shooter but for concealed carry its a smith j frame 642.

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Originally posted by warpdrive

Richard, That is a fine looking piece, is that a vaquero? and what caliber?

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TOMCAT - Posted - 01/20/2015:  08:17:25

So is this Granada officially for sale or was just in for a repair and somebody popped a pic and posted on the web?

BTuno - Posted - 01/20/2015:  08:51:29

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Originally posted by warpdrive

yeah terry, wouldn't mind having a yellow boy in 44 mag to match my 2 Ruger 44's but i do own one black gun, a Glock 357, just really like the round, and i am good with it, but i never feel outgunned with a 6 shot single action big bore, shooting 240-320 grainers, don't have to worry about any double taps with those babies!

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Well, that explains it! 

Stevespickn - Posted - 01/20/2015:  10:14:48

It has about turned to a gun and pistol thread.

rexhunt - Posted - 01/20/2015:  10:40:43

Did somebody shoot the Granada??

Rex

warpdrive - Posted - 01/20/2015:  11:55:44

I think sooner or later, based on how people think of my opinion of pre-war hype, i will get accused of shooting a granada!(lol) Apoligizes for the semi-hyjacking of the thread, but don't old guns go with banjos?

Oldtwanger - Posted - 01/20/2015:  12:14:41

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Originally posted by warpdrive

I think sooner or later, based on how people think of my opinion of pre-war hype, i will get accused of shooting a granada!(lol) Apoligizes for the semi-hyjacking of the thread, but don't old guns go with banjos?

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Gerhard says bullet holes in banjos are the result of poor aim......................

Cleitus - Posted - 01/20/2015:  12:26:12

At the risk of getting shot by a gun totin prewar mastertone banjo lover, I say this talk of dollar values bores me. I'd much rather hear about the history and the owners of the instrument plus the instrument itself. The level of expertise here about these things constantly amazes me and that is what delights - not the $ umpteen which is basically a function of demand/supply and more suited to the 'investment' pages.

I do have an expensive instrument (original 1960 Gibson ES 335 guitar with its PAF pickups in good condition) and it's value (not up there with this banjo thank God) is a real pain as you cannot go out gigging with it, have to have security alarms etc. Total accident how I got it as well - wandered into a my friends guitar shop one day back in the early 70's and there she was awaiting a minor repair and sale - quick play and I swapped it for another instrument I had just on the sound alone. Annoying that it's value now stops me sharing that sound informally as much as I'd like.

bargrasspicker - Posted - 01/20/2015:  12:49:00

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Originally posted by Tomcat

So is this Granada officially for sale or was just in for a repair and somebody popped a pic and posted on the web?

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I believe it just has a new owner, happens to own a classic insturment shop, but theres been no word that its for sale.

TOMCAT - Posted - 01/20/2015:  13:30:04

It's always cool to hear the banjos story. Where it's been , who's played it, was it used as a murder weapon, you know stuff like that.

jfb - Posted - 01/20/2015:  13:30:16

A question for Joe Spann and back to the subject somewhat.  Does 9584-1 show up in the shipping records of Gibson?  Don't anyone take this as gospel, but it seems that I remember hearing that Clay Everhart did not buy the banjo as a brand new one right out of the shop.  I think I remember that the same fellow I talked to about it was around when he did buy it, in High Point I believe.  I am not certain of that, but it seems to stick out in my memory.  Would be interesting to know the shipping info if it is available.

Reubenv - Posted - 01/20/2015:  14:36:28

Beautiful Granada. Seems like its been played a good amount too!

bluegrassbanjopicker - Posted - 01/20/2015:  14:56:04

It's the one and only Grenada Granada!

DHutchens - Posted - 01/20/2015:  15:16:13

Thanks John for that question....  I awoke this morning about 3:AM thinking if there were any records of it being sent back to the factory?

impickin5 - Posted - 01/20/2015:  15:21:34

Hey! Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Granada 9584-1 instead of guns?

1935tb-11 - Posted - 01/20/2015:  15:48:42

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Originally posted by impickin5

Hey! Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Granada 9584-1 instead of guns?

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guns and banjos go together like peas and carrots as one fellow said.....  ok we have exposed the holy grail of granadas now we just got to find is the low number 1860 henry rifle !!!!!!! 

BanjoLink - Posted - 01/20/2015:  16:07:24

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Originally posted by Cleitus

At the risk of getting shot by a gun totin prewar mastertone banjo lover, I say this talk of dollar values bores me. I'd much rather hear about the history and the owners of the instrument plus the instrument itself. The level of expertise here about these things constantly amazes me and that is what delights - not the $ umpteen which is basically a function of demand/supply and more suited to the 'investment' pages.



I do have an expensive instrument (original 1960 Gibson ES 335 guitar with its PAF pickups in good condition) and it's value (not up there with this banjo thank God) is a real pain as you cannot go out gigging with it, have to have security alarms etc. Total accident how I got it as well - wandered into a my friends guitar shop one day back in the early 70's and there she was awaiting a minor repair and sale - quick play and I swapped it for another instrument I had just on the sound alone. Annoying that it's value now stops me sharing that sound informally as much as I'd like.

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Excellent post Cleitus.  Quoting Oscar Wilde -   "What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."  I think that sums up what you are trying to say.  We all know that these things are crazy expensive, but the value goes way beyond what someone pays for them.  I am a collector by nature (of many different things) and the real joy is sharing your collections and knowledge and history that goes with them.  I do a few local "antique roadshows" and I always tell my audience that the history of the items they bring is a lot more valuable that the monetary value.  That said, they almost always want to know the market value also!

1935tb-11 - Posted - 01/20/2015:  19:13:42

its a funny thing that the value of something (in this case a 1930 serial # 1 granada)  is exactly the same price as someone is willing to give at the exact moment. !!!!! 

terry m

1fiddle2play - Posted - 01/20/2015:  20:03:16

Someone with deep pockets will just buy it and that's that.

Joe Spann - Posted - 01/21/2015:  04:27:47

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Originally posted by jfb

A question for Joe Spann and back to the subject somewhat.  Does 9584-1 show up in the shipping records of Gibson?  Don't anyone take this as gospel, but it seems that I remember hearing that Clay Everhart did not buy the banjo as a brand new one right out of the shop.  I think I remember that the same fellow I talked to about it was around when he did buy it, in High Point I believe.  I am not certain of that, but it seems to stick out in my memory.  Would be interesting to know the shipping info if it is available.

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Gibson RB-Granada #9584-1 was produced in 1930. No original shipping data for this instrument has been located, which means it was sold prior to March 1935.

The instrument was returned to the Gibson factory for a repair in 1938, then shipped back to Westmoreland Music and Furniture in High Point, North Carolina on 22 March 1939. The Gibson shipping ledgers do not reveal the exact details of the repair.

It is my understanding that Clay Everhart was the second owner of 9584-1 and that he purchased it in High Point, North Carolina.

Joe Spann

bargrasspicker - Posted - 01/21/2015:  06:40:14

powerball is up to 200 million....

Bill Anderson - Posted - 01/21/2015:  07:13:38

How many guys are willing to pay $400k for a banjo?

southerndrifter - Posted - 01/21/2015:  10:11:18

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Originally posted by Bill Anderson

How many guys are willing to pay $400k for a banjo?

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It only takes ONE!  :)

jfb - Posted - 01/21/2015:  10:57:02

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Originally posted by Joe Spann

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Originally posted by jfb

A question for Joe Spann and back to the subject somewhat.  Does 9584-1 show up in the shipping records of Gibson?  Don't anyone take this as gospel, but it seems that I remember hearing that Clay Everhart did not buy the banjo as a brand new one right out of the shop.  I think I remember that the same fellow I talked to about it was around when he did buy it, in High Point I believe.  I am not certain of that, but it seems to stick out in my memory.  Would be interesting to know the shipping info if it is available.

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Gibson RB-Granada #9584-1 was produced in 1930. No original shipping data for this instrument has been located, which means it was sold prior to March 1935.

The instrument was returned to the Gibson factory for a repair in 1938, then shipped back to Westmoreland Music and Furniture in High Point, North Carolina on 22 March 1939. The Gibson shipping ledgers do not reveal the exact details of the repair.

It is my understanding that Clay Everhart was the second owner of 9584-1 and that he purchased it in High Point, North Carolina.

Joe Spann

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Thanks there Joe,

That seems to back up what I have heard others say about the banjo, and how it may have started life as an AT, and then perhaps was repaired and maybe converted later on.  It also agrees with what I was told by Mr Berrier.  I hope the new owner does not think we are being overcritical with its history.

Thanks for that information

Vapor - Posted - 01/21/2015:  12:00:21

Where the others in this line flatheads?

Edited by - Vapor on 01/21/2015 12:08:59

johnbodle - Posted - 01/21/2015:  13:51:19

Speculating if it was converted to flathead during the time it was sent back for repairs? It would seem that it was at Gibson for quite a few months.

 Just to clarify, Is it Lowes vintage who is selling it or are they the ones that just bought it?

1935tb-11 - Posted - 01/21/2015:  16:26:48

i have no reason to believe or otherwise suspect this banjo was anything but a flathead from birth,, there is no documentation stating otherwise and after close examination still think it was a flathead from the begining.  the new owner is thrilled to have this rare instrument,,, and with the new set up is an absolute marvel to play,, it sings like a bell below the 12th fret and hammers like nobodys business all the way down..  sitting in a large room it sounds so close to earls recordings on the foggy mtn banjo album...  the label has that slight cut at the top just like sonnys and earls does, no signs of any refitting shown anywhere,,,,, i am no expert but all of it looks to be right on ..

terry m 

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 01/21/2015 16:27:47

Julio B - Posted - 01/21/2015:  17:54:04

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How many guys are willing to pay $400k for a banjo?

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What is the realistic upside potential?

~Julio

southerndrifter - Posted - 01/21/2015:  19:06:45

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Originally posted by Vapor

Where the others in this line flatheads?

 

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They were all flatheads, but they all have cut labels. What this indicates is that the rims were originally earmarked for archtop tonerings. The labels had already been applied to the rims when the decision was made to install flathead tonerings. To accommodate the flathead ring, some of the wood had to be taken off the top of the rim. In the process, the top of the label was cut too.

I have not personally seen it, but there is supposedly a photo of 9584-1 (perhaps with the original owner?) that clearly shows it as an archtop. IMHO, if the modification was made by Gibson, during the prewar years, it still qualifies as completely original. Congrats to the new owner!

Reubenv - Posted - 01/21/2015:  19:30:11

That would be amazing if there was a picture of it being an archtop. If converted by the factory it would seem it would have to be considered original. I wonder if the top of the rim was sanded or if the entire rim is factory stained? It amazes me how interesting each of these ol flatheads is! They all have a story and they are all so unique. Fascinating!

RB3WREATH - Posted - 01/22/2015:  05:00:16

I don't see these as cut labels Gibson often put the labels on a bit high allowing the label to run up on the tone ring this type of label will virtually rub off the plated metal vs the finish on the rim My label on RB75 518-3 and Reno's Banjo 518-1 both retain the label still attached to the tone ring. 

Joe Deetz

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southerndrifter - Posted - 01/22/2015:  05:20:31

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Originally posted by RB3WREATH

I don't see these as cut labels Gibson often put the labels on a bit high allowing the label to run up on the tone ring this type of label will virtually rub off the plated metal vs the finish on the rim My label on RB75 518-3 and Reno's Banjo 518-1 both retain the label still attached to the tone ring. 

 

Joe Deetz

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I think that might be true by the time the 518 batch was produced, but in the early days of the "new-fangled" flathead ring, I think the labels were still put on the rim prior to fitting it to the tonering. Subsequently, labels were cut to accommodate the new ring.

Dewdrop - Posted - 01/22/2015:  09:18:47

Yeah, this is probably Dave's banjo. I have talked to him about it a few times over the past decade or so and have seen the picture that was posted of it here. He claims it to be 100% original with documentation that goes back to when the old man in the picture bought it. He says Sonny's is 95% original and Earl's is maybe 50% but....... it was Earl's. Ain't no tellin' what any of them are worth but I think he said that he turned down Jim's offer several years back.

impickin5 - Posted - 01/22/2015:  16:42:59

I thought this guy owned 9584-1. "OH WAIT!", The fret board inlays are not Granada-my mistake

beatlespin - Posted - 01/22/2015:  17:07:44

Saw an original 5 string Granada for sale less than a year ago and the price was $250,000. Well I only saw the pictures. I reckon it was in a safe and he knew I wasn't rich so.... I think Jim Mills was looking to buy it.

Bill Anderson - Posted - 01/28/2015:  16:33:11

I probably shouldn't say this....but....Have we gone from $400k to we are not sure what it is?
What is the most paid for a banjo ever, and what was it?

1935tb-11 - Posted - 01/28/2015:  17:19:53

i never ask the buyer what he gave,, none of my business anyway,,, all i can tell you is seller and buyer are happy with the final sale price.   i know what sonny was offered for his a few years ago and it was way north of 300k.  so i guess the sky is the limit ,,,just how bad do you want it..

terry m

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 01/28/2015 17:20:52

BanjoLink - Posted - 01/28/2015:  19:11:49

Terry - you have to keep in mind that asking someone if they will take a certain amount for an item is not necessarily an offer to buy - like some people who have been asked think.  A friend if mine once told me that he was offered $7500 for a Johnny Smith guitar.  I asked him why didn't he take it and he said "the guy didn't have the money". 

RB3WREATH - Posted - 01/29/2015:  02:53:37

Did it sell??

Joe

Bill Anderson - Posted - 01/30/2015:  15:16:11

Well did it sell???

davepicks5 - Posted - 01/30/2015:  16:51:49

To answer the question, did it sell?

I had the rare opportunity to play it yesterday at Huber's shop. The banjo was in town for inspection by Steve, Joe and Curtis McPeake.

As I understand it, all gave it the GOOD HOUSEKEEPING SEAL OF APPROVAL........

Is it right........Yes, does it sound good, NO, it sounds GREAT. Less mass in the neck than Sonny's Granada, but plenty of meat.

Fourth string is maybe the best I have ever played, but what do I know......

I think it returned home, today..........

David

warpdrive - Posted - 01/30/2015:  18:57:28

seems to me we've heard these ducks fart on the water before! "yawn"

1935tb-11 - Posted - 01/30/2015:  19:10:31

no

terry m