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EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/10/2012: 15:10:34
Today's Tune of the Week is Little Olentangy, a "new old-time" tune in the key of G written by Chuck Levy and included on his 2006 CD "Scratching and Clawing".
I came across the tune in a somewhat unusual way, as it caught my attention before I had even heard it. While visiting Madison, Wisconsin (from my home in Columbus, Ohio), I made my usual stop at Spruce Tree Music, to search through their small but eclectic collection of old-time CDs. These days, as I try to build my fiddle tune repertoire, I am often as interested in the tunes on such CDs as I am in the actual artists playing them, and thus tend to give the cover only a cursory glance before flipping the CD over to read the track list. While doing just that at Spruce Tree I found myself reading a list of tunes that included a number of Ohio-themed titles - Flames Upon the Cuyahoga, Tecumseh's Moan, Tippecanoe, and Little Olentangy. The first three wouldn't necessarily have to have been written by an Ohio musician - many people of my generation probably remember the infamous 1969 Cuyahoga river fire in Cleveland, and many students of American and Native American history are probably familiar with the Shawnee Indian leader Tecumseh, the Battle of Tippecanoe, and Ohio Senator and U.S. President William Henry "Tippecanoe" Harrison. But sure only a resident of central Ohio would name a tune Little Olentangy. That name clearly referred to the Olentangy River, which runs through northern Columbus before joining the larger Scioto River just north of downtown (the Scioto is of course the namesake of the popular fiddle tune Big Sciota).










Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 08/10/2012 18:07:21
Marc Nerenberg - Posted - 08/10/2012: 15:33:54
Very interesting post. I hope a few people will try to come up with versions of their own.
sseiple - Posted - 08/10/2012: 16:39:48
Great post and great tune! I have lived in the Columbus area for over 30 years, so the story and pictures were fascinating to me. (I currently live in Hilliard). When I first came across this thread and saw the reference to "Olentangy" I knew it had to have something to do with central Ohio.
Is the jam you referred to in your post something held in a public place where spectators are welcome?
Steve
ChuckJo - Posted - 08/10/2012: 17:43:04
I am really honored and flattered to have Little Olentangy be a TOTW. I love the additional history especially about the amusement park.
It was an interesting challenge to figure out how to banjoitize the fiddle tune. I play "Big Scioty" in the tuning gDGDE, and since the tunes are related (at least in my mind), I thought the same tuning would work for Little Olentangy. However, I found the tune fell out more easily in standard G (gDGBD).
I have attached the video for ease of viewing/listening.
![]() VIDEO: Chuck Levy Plays an Original Tune, Little Olentangy (click to view) |
csbdr - Posted - 08/10/2012: 18:20:13
At chance of posting th tab? Awesome TOTW! Very cool to find a tune with such personal meaning
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/10/2012: 18:25:52
quote:
Originally posted by sseiple
Great post and great tune! I have lived in the Columbus area for over 30 years, so the story and pictures were fascinating to me. (I currently live in Hilliard). When I first came across this thread and saw the reference to "Olentangy" I knew it had to have something to do with central Ohio.
Is the jam you referred to in your post something held in a public place where spectators are welcome?
Steve
Glad you enjoyed it, Steve!
I sent you a PM regarding the jam.
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/10/2012: 18:27:14
quote:
Originally posted by csbdr
At chance of posting th tab? Awesome TOTW! Very cool to find a tune with such personal meaning
Thanks - it was quite the cool surprise to come across the tune.
The tab is available in the Hangout tab archives: banjohangout.org/w/tab/browse/...etter/v/L
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 08/10/2012 18:28:46
banjo_mc - Posted - 08/10/2012: 18:57:39
Very interesting. I grew up on Olentangy street and I live very close to the river right now.
and I like the tune. I'll have to see if I can figure it out.
ChuckJo - Posted - 08/10/2012: 19:05:08
Here's the tab. A tabledit version is here (scroll down): banjohangout.org/w/tab/browse/...etter/v/L
jwoods - Posted - 08/10/2012: 22:11:37
I grew up in Columbus and fished with my Dad quite often in the Olentangy...
BANJOJUDY - Posted - 08/11/2012: 06:04:03
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckJo
oops. Here it is.
cbcarlisle - Posted - 08/11/2012: 08:19:00
Congratulations! You win the blue ribbon - oops, this week only: Gold Medal - for the most comprehensive documentation of a TOTW! (Strains of National Anthem in background...)
atleson - Posted - 08/11/2012: 08:34:39
Another excellent "new" old time tune by Chuck Levy, and a wonderful description of the tune and river. I also grew up in Cleveland, spent many years at OSU, and lived for two years in some "temporary" quonset huts right along the Olentangy. The dorms weren't wonderful, and i hope they are no longer there, but it did create a small community among the huge university, especially since we had to take a bus to and from the dorms. This all brings back some memories.
jim
ChuckJo - Posted - 08/11/2012: 08:53:51
Hey Judy,
I don't have a version of the tune in standard notation. I was thinking of posting a video of the tune on the fiddle. Would that help?
BANJOJUDY - Posted - 08/11/2012: 09:16:34
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckJo
Hey Judy,
I don't have a version of the tune in standard notation. I was thinking of posting a video of the tune on the fiddle. Would that help?
You bet, Chuck, I sure would like to hear/see you play this with the fiddle only. Lately, (as in now that I can read music) I like to check the notes after I've learned a tune by ear, just to make sure I've got the right ones.
The tab is in a tuning I don't usually use. I prefer playing G tunes in gDADE, or gEADE. Will mess with this one as time permits in one of the tunings I've listed.
This is going to be a tough TOTW "act" to follow, and I'm up for August 24th. ARGH! Good job everyone!
ChuckJo - Posted - 08/11/2012: 21:15:05
Here is the fiddle version.
![]() VIDEO: Chuck Levy Plays an Original Tune, Little Olentangy, on the fiddle (click to view) |
JanetB - Posted - 08/12/2012: 09:51:25
Great write-up, Bret, and a most cheerful tune, Chuck. The geographic and historical information built up intrigue for hearing the new tune. Little Orentangy didn't let me down! The bonus is that Chuck's tab is clear and easy to follow.
JanetB - Posted - 08/14/2012: 09:05:48
This recording is played along with Chuck's banjo on my cello banjo with 3-finger picking. I'm wondering if those are birds chirping in his video.
Learning to play at Chuck's rapid tempo was interesting, and he actually kindly offered to slow it down. As John Kuhn, Professor KIDD (who I miss much on BHO) told me, I do 3-finger picking thinking in 4/4 time, whereas bluegrass players think more in eighth notes with their rapid rolls. This inclination of mine helped me to simplify and find the melody notes in the song. it would have taken me much longer to learn if I'd tried to play the tab as fast as Chuck.
Thanks again, Bret and Chuck, for a fun TOTW. Thanks also, Marc, who suggested I give this a try. Hopefully we'll see some more versions here.
![]() Little Olentangy duet |
ChuckJo - Posted - 08/14/2012: 09:32:50
Wow! Thanks Janet! You did a great job of catching the character of the tune. I can't wait to listen to it again on something other than my tiny computer speakers.
I have really enjoyed being involved in this thread. I love Bret's exposition on the Olentangy, hearing of others connections to it, and now Janet's interpretation.
Quite grand!
Marc Nerenberg - Posted - 08/14/2012: 11:50:13
quote:
Originally posted by JanetB
This recording is played along with Chuck's banjo on my cello banjo with 3-finger picking. I'm wondering if those are birds chirping in his video.
Learning to play at Chuck's rapid tempo was interesting, and he actually kindly offered to slow it down. As John Kuhn, Professor KIDD (who I miss much on BHO) told me, I do 3-finger picking thinking in 4/4 time, whereas bluegrass players think more in eighth notes with their rapid rolls. This inclination of mine helped me to simplify and find the melody notes in the song. it would have taken me much longer to learn if I'd tried to play the tab as fast as Chuck.
Thanks again, Bret and Chuck, for a fun TOTW. Thanks also, Marc, who suggested I give this a try. Hopefully we'll see some more versions here.
You're welcome, Janet, for my suggestion that you do this - though it must be admitted that what I suggested to you in the PM was a banjo duet with Chuck's fiddle version. It was your own idea to do it as a cello banjo duet with his banjo version.
Who knew the cello banjo version would turn out to be so good? Bravo!
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/14/2012: 21:11:16
quote:
Originally posted by banjo_mc
Very interesting. I grew up on Olentangy street and I live very close to the river right now.
and I like the tune. I'll have to see if I can figure it out.
I would not have guessed that there was another person on the Hangout who grew up on Olentangy Street. I lived there from 1963 to 1965, but was only two when I moved. Not too far, though, as I spent most of the rest of my childhood a few blocks away on Walhalla Road (and I still drive on or by Olentangy Street almost every day).
Glad you like the tune.
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/14/2012: 21:39:28
quote:
Originally posted by jwoods
I grew up in Columbus and fished with my Dad quite often in the Olentangy...
Another Columbus native! I've never tried fishing in the river, although I often see people doing so on one of the bike path bridges.
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 08/14/2012 21:44:51
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/14/2012: 21:44:07
quote:
Originally posted by cbcarlisle
Congratulations! You win the blue ribbon - oops, this week only: Gold Medal - for the most comprehensive documentation of a TOTW! (Strains of National Anthem in background...)
My Olympic medal fantasy is winning the "Summer Biathlon" (mountain biking and archery). Since that event as yet exists only in my head, and since I am now 49, I'm guessing the window is fast closing on my Gold Medal dreams. So I'll accept the one you are offering (even if I suspect that if one were to read all 211 TOTWs it would not be at all obvious that I deserve it).
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/14/2012: 21:55:28
quote:
Originally posted by atleson
Another excellent "new" old time tune by Chuck Levy, and a wonderful description of the tune and river. I also grew up in Cleveland, spent many years at OSU, and lived for two years in some "temporary" quonset huts right along the Olentangy. The dorms weren't wonderful, and i hope they are no longer there, but it did create a small community among the huge university, especially since we had to take a bus to and from the dorms. This all brings back some memories.
jim
I'm glad you enjoyed the tune and the description. By my era (the early 80s) those quonset hut dorms had been replaced by high rise dorms on the southern and northern edges of campus. In the early 50s my dad spent his first year at OSU in a dorm in, of all places, Ohio Stadium. It was the Scholarship Dorm, since as the valedictorian of his small town high school he had received a $90 scholarship to Ohio State, which in 1950 was a full year's tuition, as hard as that is to believe now. "Scholarship Dorm" sounds rather nice, but in reality it consisted of large barracks-like rooms, each housing 18 students on cots lined against the walls. Pretty much the same living quarters he had in the army a few years later. Things were a bit different back in those days, evidently.
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 08/14/2012 21:59:24
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/14/2012: 21:58:00
quote:
Originally posted by JanetB
This recording is played along with Chuck's banjo on my cello banjo with 3-finger picking. I'm wondering if those are birds chirping in his video.
Learning to play at Chuck's rapid tempo was interesting, and he actually kindly offered to slow it down. As John Kuhn, Professor KIDD (who I miss much on BHO) told me, I do 3-finger picking thinking in 4/4 time, whereas bluegrass players think more in eighth notes with their rapid rolls. This inclination of mine helped me to simplify and find the melody notes in the song. it would have taken me much longer to learn if I'd tried to play the tab as fast as Chuck.
Thanks again, Bret and Chuck, for a fun TOTW. Thanks also, Marc, who suggested I give this a try. Hopefully we'll see some more versions here.
Glad you liked the tune and the write-up, Janet. Thanks for coming up with and posting your version - I'm enjoying it very much. It's very interesting to hear that mix of instruments.
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 08/14/2012 21:58:45
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/14/2012: 23:11:43
I am pleasantly surprised to see that there are some others with ties to the Olentangy River out there. For you, and any other interested parties, here are a few more photos and fun facts that I came across in my research but that I did not include in my initial post for fear of overwhelming the presentation of the tune itself with too much non-music-related information.
Marion County
As noted above, the Olentangy begins as little more than a creek in a ditch in Crawford County. It then crosses into Marion County, where it becomes a larger stream, if not quite a full-fledged river. There don't appear to be too many points of interest along its banks in Marion County, unless one is a fan of abandoned railroad bridges. One bridge that did interest me is the proposed wooden covered bridge at Kings Mill. Evidently there has been a bit of a resurgence in covered bridge construction of late, based upon the idea that such bridges last longer than non-protected spans (which was the idea behind them in the 19th-century as well). According to a local newspaper article "Funding available in 2015 will help put a wooden structure over the Olentangy River on St. James Road in the southeastern part of the county. Neighboring counties, including Union County, have been taking this option recently as they replace aging infrastructure. County Engineer Brad Irons said it will last longer, perhaps 100 to 125 years, compared to other new structures that have a 75- to 80-year life span, depending on the type. Lower maintenance and the life cycle of covered bridges make them attractive. Iron's office received a lot of positive feedback following a public information session and comment period after pitching the option. The aesthetic value is a big consideration, as well as the costs involved".

















Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 08/14/2012 23:17:42
BANJOJUDY - Posted - 08/15/2012: 06:19:36
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckJoHere is the fiddle version.
EggerRidgeBoy - Posted - 08/15/2012: 07:52:01
quote:
Originally posted by BANJOJUDY
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckJo
Here is the fiddle version.
Thanks for the fiddle version of ths very addictive tune. It sure is a good one, and fun to play, even if I cannot pronounce the title without a bit of tongue tying!
It's usually pronounced oh-lin-TAN-gee, although as you note even if one knows the pronunciation, it doesn't exactly roll easily off the tongue.
Edited by - EggerRidgeBoy on 08/15/2012 07:53:24
banjo_mc - Posted - 08/15/2012: 07:59:04
I was there from mid-1970's through early 1990's. My parents still live there. I'm still in the 'Ville, just on another street and much closer to the river. In fact, I run on the O-trail all the time. I never get tired of the scenery. Nice writeup about the river by the way. Living so close, I've always enjoyed it, but I've never really taken the time to appreciate the history of it.
quote:
Originally posted by EggerRidgeBoy
quote:
Originally posted by banjo_mc
Very interesting. I grew up on Olentangy street and I live very close to the river right now.
and I like the tune. I'll have to see if I can figure it out.
I would not have guessed that there was another person on the Hangout who grew up on Olentangy Street. I lived there from 1963 to 1965, but was only two when I moved. Not too far, though, as I spent most of the rest of my childhood a few blocks away on Walhalla Road (and I still drive on or by Olentangy Street almost every day).
Glad you like the tune.
banjo_mc - Posted - 08/15/2012: 08:01:44
Thanks Chuck! I've been spending some time on the tune. I'm very new to playing banjo (spent most of my time playing guitar and singing). Every time I pick up another one of these tunes, my fingers learn a little bit more, and this song has been a lot of fun to mess with.
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckJo
oops. Here it is.
ChuckJo - Posted - 08/19/2012: 12:41:44
Well, I thought a way to bring this thread to full circle would be to post a version of Big Scioty.
![]() VIDEO: Chuck Levy Plays Big Scioty on the Fretlless Banjo 8.12 (click to view) |
Matt Buckley - Posted - 08/19/2012: 15:01:51
I know the river, and the mill ruins, well. I graduated from Ohio Wesleyan, in Delaware, Ohio in 1977. The OWU campus borders the Olentangy, and I used to ride my bike along the river.
Thanks for sharing a great tune.
And by the way, and just for the record, Ohio Wesleyan (i.e. David) did score 14 points against Ohio State (i.e. Goliath) in football in 1941, alas losing 20-14. :)
Cheers.
Matt
Edited by - Matt Buckley on 08/19/2012 15:06:55
pcollings - Posted - 08/21/2012: 09:33:52
Thanks, Chuck, for posting both the TAB and the fiddle version.
Pete
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