I’ve been told a time or two that I’ve got a few loose screws, but I see it the same way you see it !!!
Slammer!!!

I agree, and can't understand how anyone would not be aghast at such a horrible thing happening. She should at least be in a mental institution where she can't harm anyone.

If you can't discern that murdering innocent children is awful, either something ain't right or something is wrong. Either way, cause and effect, guilty is guilty and consequences are required, imo.

Is somebody condoning the [brutal[ murder of [three] children?  

they just have to find her guilty or not ,,, the reason is mute.

some people today are just plain dumb ....

That's why we have courts and lawyers.

Any male would have been found guilty, regardless of psychological issues or medications, it would have been a unanimous verdict, and public sympathy would zero. As it should be, every damn time.

In Canada there's Not Criminally Responsible.  Here's an example from MB where "the system" seems to be doing as it was/is intended.    https://www.google.com/search?q=portage+bus+beheading&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA1116CA1116&oq=portage+bus+beheading&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTc1NjdqMGoxNagCCLACAfEF_rnPFRbVmGDxBf65zxUW1Zhg&sourceid=chrome&source=chrome.rb&ie=UTF-8    So far the male isn't inflicting any further harm on anyone, so apparently a mental institution isn't the only way.

I wonder if revenge/retribution better serves society as a whole or mainly the self-righteous portion?  [Can't say I have a definitive answer.... philosophy isn't my strong suit......  but, but, but,  I will contemplate it some more as I mow lawn this aft.   ]

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In Canada there's Not Criminally Responsible.  Here's an example from MB where "the system" seems to be doing as it was/is intended.    https://www.google.com/search?q=portage+bus+beheading&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA1116CA1116&oq=portage+bus+beheading&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTc1NjdqMGoxNagCCLACAfEF_rnPFRbVmGDxBf65zxUW1Zhg&sourceid=chrome&source=chrome.rb&ie=UTF-8    So far the male isn't inflicting any further harm on anyone, so apparently a mental institution isn't the only way.

I wonder if revenge/retribution better serves society as a whole or mainly the self-righteous portion?  [Can't say I have a definitive answer.... philosophy isn't my strong suit......  but, but, but,  I will contemplate it some more as I mow lawn this aft.   ]

 

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"as long as he maintains his medication" .... and who is monitoring that? 
btw, alcoholism is denoted as a mental illness of sorts,, getting behind the wheel while drunk and killing a person will get you prison time. 

Dunno... Google AI didn't mention how/if he's being monitored.  I can envision that having him take it under direct supervision could be one fairly straight-forward/effective work-around.

I thought alcoholism is/was becoming viewed/accepted as a medical issue rather than a criminal one... didn't know that mental illness was on the table.  I suppose IF a lawyer could get a court to accept that it was a mental illness, a NCR verdict could come into play.

[Btw.... finished the lawn ...........  and gained no further insights.  ]

^^^^ Sonny Osborne said he did his best banjo thinking & arranging while mowing the lawn with his mini tractor. Methinks he might’ve been an outlier, n’est ca-pas?

I didn't dive deep in this one but it is pretty rough. No one disputes that she committed murder. Both sides agree on that. The issue as I understand it is that whether or not she was looney tunes when she did it. I think she was, and is. From what I understand, she was suffering for a long time before she committed these acts, even verbalizing that she intended to harm or kill the kids. She was under medical / psychiactric care and all they did was throw more pills at her.

Compare this to another mom who murder her kids, right here in good ol' South Carolina, that made national News. Susan Smith loaded her two kids in her car, aimed it downhill an a lake dock and let her kids drown. She then lied about it claiming some black dude(s) kidnapped her kids setting off a days-long search. It all fell apart and she's still in federal prison. Every now and then she comes up for parole. She's where she belongs and should stay there.

By comparison, this lady annouced her demons in advance, when she did the act she could not stangel herself I suppose so she threw herself out a 2nd or 3rd floor window or balcony, trying to kill herself. Yea, a screw loose for sure. She's now paralized in a wheelchair (Permanently? Dont know. But that can't be faked. Lonny Tunes.) One radio station I listen to played some of her breakdowns in the courtroom when she has to be wheeled out of court. It's gut wrenching to hear.

She is in a psychiactric hospital now and even if found not guity, she will probably be there the rest of her life. As I understand, the court(s) would oversee whether or not she is ever free again. I think she too is where she belongs, and should probably stay there.

There is no way in hell I would want to serve on a jury for a case like this. That they deliberated for 6 days, well, I can but imagine.

many so called crazy people have escaped justice by being looney tunes.
believe me i know what i am speaking of.... it may not be right ,, but its the law.....
many spend their entire lives in a mental hospital. an average cost for someone
to be cared for in a state mental institution for 50 years is around 18 to 20 million dollars.
who pays for the 20 million.... tax payers ,,,,,,,,,,,, its the law

I don't speak from experience, but my limited understanding is that spending a lifetime in a mental hospital isn't quite the same as escaping justice. 

Re. "it may not be right, but it's the law" ... Doesn't the law reflect the will* of the majority?  If not, why not?

* i.e. the ingrained values, not the flavor-of-the-day value ... or who can create the greatest turmoil at an particular time.

Edit: Onto a tangent, and fwiw, I've been working on "I've Always Been Crazy... "  for a couple of years ... it's coming along okay.  

Agreed. And keeping them in prison is not free either. A quick google search says there are 158,000 people in federal prisons as of now at an annual cost of $6.7 billion per year. Whether prison, or psychiatric facility, taxpayers fund all this. But both are forms of punishment, liberties are stripped away.

I'm not advocating one way or another. That's why we have trials and juries and all that. The lady is clearly nuts. And I agree that being nuts is not a free pass for anything.

The correct course of action, with 20/20 armchair hindsight (why we're all here, it seems) is she should have been involuntaroly locked up in a psych hospital for observation and treatment as soon as she began verbalizing all this craziness and thoughts of violence. Pills can't do that.

Like I said, Susan Smith comes up for parole every so often and it makes local news here. Sure, let's re-visit that trauma every now and then. Why they didn't convict her for life without parole is beyond me. But that's the system I guess. But what if payroll is granted to her someday?

And I hope it's crystal clear that I am not condoning what this latest lady did. There's nothing good here to see no matter how you look at it.

If she gets a NGI some judge will have her out of any institution within seven years. No way she is confined for life. The verdict SHOULD be "guilty but insane, requiring lifetime confinement, with treatment."