Just plain lazy. Does not bode well for humanity in the long run.

Can’t wait for the Bots to try and scam the AI listings….

What a time to be alive

Seems Mr. AI gets confused when the letters C, V and B are next to each other on the keyboard:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2401626430352444/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks

LOL i've been wanting to post about this, but GuitarCenter uses AI a lot for creating descriptions of instruments. Here's one still up that is messed up considering a Gold-Tone OB-50 doesn't exist and the "24-bracket flange design" also doesn't exist I don't think. They put a / instead of a 1 and the AI messed with the description.

guitarcenter.com/Used/Gold-Ton...-Banjo.gc

I hope it’s a trend that catches on among private sellers. A lot of “as-described” sales will be returnable if sellers rely on faulty machine generated descriptions.

GC already has a very generous return policy so not much help there.

There may be such a thing as artificial intelligence, but there is no such thing as artificial sense.

It would help a lot when using AI for classifieds to check what AI said and make sure it's all correct.

When I click the link, it just goes to the Classifieds page; does that mean the ad was pulled?

I looked at it earlier this morning, and it really did look like AI. But I don't remember it being a bad description.

What do folks have against AI-written descriptions? Is it just the possibility/likelihood of incorrect info? Or is it something else?

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When I click the link, it just goes to the Classifieds page; does that mean the ad was pulled?

I looked at it earlier this morning, and it really did look like AI. But I don't remember it being a bad description.

What do folks have against AI-written descriptions? Is it just the possibility/likelihood of incorrect info? Or is it something else?

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I saw the ad earlier, so I assume the seller pulled it.

What was wrong with the ad was that it provided nearly textbook information on Gibson prewar rims in general without describing anything that the seller knew about this rim in particular: where she got it, how long she's owned it or used it, its specific condition, whether or how its been cut or turned, what kind of flange or tone ring (if any) it's been used with, or (if I remember correctly) its dimensions or number of plies. I vaguely recall there being something out of the ordinary about it (from the photo) but can't remember what it was.

In short: The ad said lots about what pre-war Gibson rims ARE without saying anything definitive or reliable about what the advertised rim IS.

And that's what's wrong with AI. It can produce a lot of potentially correct but also irrelevant information.

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There may be such a thing as artificial intelligence, but there is no such thing as artificial sense.

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I think AI stands for Artificial Ignorance ! 

Say what???  Artificial Ignorance???   It's 30+ years since I've A.I.ed a cow, but it still creeps in there.   I was involved in a small debts court case 'way back, and in my opening salvo I started yammering about the additional expense of Artificial Insemination due to the "guaranteed breeder" [bull] being a non-breeder.  The magistrate stopped me toot-de-sweet and asked for an explanation, mentioning that, "I'm a magistrate, not a farmer."

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There may be such a thing as artificial intelligence, but there is no such thing as artificial sense.

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I think AI stands for Artificial Ignorance ! 

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The more I deal with it on the job, the more I think you're right.

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Originally posted by kayakeradam

When I click the link, it just goes to the Classifieds page; does that mean the ad was pulled?

I looked at it earlier this morning, and it really did look like AI. But I don't remember it being a bad description.

What do folks have against AI-written descriptions? Is it just the possibility/likelihood of incorrect info? Or is it something else?

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I saw the ad earlier, so I assume the seller pulled it.

What was wrong with the ad was that it provided nearly textbook information on Gibson prewar rims in general without describing anything that the seller knew about this rim in particular: where she got it, how long she's owned it or used it, its specific condition, whether or how its been cut or turned, what kind of flange or tone ring (if any) it's been used with, or (if I remember correctly) its dimensions or number of plies. I vaguely recall there being something out of the ordinary about it (from the photo) but can't remember what it was.

In short: The ad said lots about what pre-war Gibson rims ARE without saying anything definitive or reliable about what the advertised rim IS.

And that's what's wrong with AI. It can produce a lot of potentially correct but also irrelevant information.

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I wonder how much AI contributes to all these word salad descriptions I see on eBay. I get really annoyed reading these generic descriptions about products that never give any details about the actual item.

I am getting tired of AI slop. It's pretty easy to recognize because it all has the same "voice".
I have to expect that there will be a rebound, where we are all craving a human 'voice', even if it may be inaccurate and grammatically incorrect.

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I wonder how much AI contributes to all these word salad descriptions I see on eBay. I get really annoyed reading these generic descriptions about products that never give any details about the actual item.

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I haven't spent much time on eBay in the past year, and when I do go there, I moslty scroll through listings lookimng at pictures and prices. Usually window shopping parts, not instruments. Now I'll have to start reading some descriptions to see what it looks like these days.

In the past, I'd see plenty of sellers of used instruments simply copy and paste manufacturers' descriptions of current models, even though sometimes the specs didn't apply to the older one being sold.  I saw that a lot with people selling 1990s Deering Sierras and using the current specs with the 06 tone ring.

AI is even worse -- as with the listing we're discussing here.

Artificial—Yes; Intelligent—Hardly.

"For Sale: '58 Chev 1/2-ton.  Original 235 cu.in inline 6; 4-speed manual transmission; yada, yada, yada... ."

First real (?) person's question: Is that a truck or a car?

Second real (?) person's question: What year is it?

Third real (?) person's question:   Is it a V-8?

.... yah, I suppose AI has some wrinkles to be worked out, awright.  

See attached for the subject of the OP.

That's not even "good" AI.

Saw a bit on NYC CBS evening news about a horrified dad discovering his kindergartener is doing 2 hour conversations with AI in school twice a week.

Thanks for finding it. So I guess there wasn't a whole lot "out of the ordinary" as I mid-remembered. But it's sure not a Gibson rim as described in the text.

Imagine you're on a desert island and you've been surviving for years. Then one day a long piece of hard metal falls off of a plane onto your beach. You're going to spend a lot of time playing around with it to see what it actually improves, what you can do now that you couldn't do before. I think that's where a lot of businesses and people are with AI.

But AI is like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it.

Try this: go to your favorite AI tool and tell it "write me an ad to sell a banjo." See what it gives you. It'll be generic crap.

Next, spend five minutes really writing something. Choose a banjo you own and really describe it, all the things you'd tell a potential buyer. Specify where the ad will be run. There's a decent chance it will give you something that's more concise and clear than what you would have written would be. Depending on the LLM, it might even tailor it to what works better on that platform.

And then meditate on the fact that your little experiment probably used more electricity in a data center than your house will use all year.

This "rim" is clearly a Vega Whyte Laydie or Tu Ba Phone #3 part, not Gibson at all.

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. . . spend five minutes really writing something. Choose a banjo you own and really describe it, all the things you'd tell a potential buyer.  

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That requires knowing what you have and knowing what a buyer would want or need to know. In the case of placing an ad on the Hangour, that means knowing what a probably knowledgeable buyer would want to know.

The seller of the rim appears not to have known any of that and so couldn't write that.

Artificial intelligence is no cure for Actual Ignorance. The bottom line is that AI is a time saving drafting tool that requires proof reading by someone who knows the subject. It tries to be helpful by pulling in information that is relevant to the subject but not to the specific context. Being very specific and precise in wording the instructions helps, but for a banjo ad, by the time you've done that, you might have well written the ad.

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LOL i've been wanting to post about this, but GuitarCenter uses AI a lot for creating descriptions of instruments. Here's one still up that is messed up considering a Gold-Tone OB-50 doesn't exist and the "24-bracket flange design" also doesn't exist I don't think. They put a / instead of a 1 and the AI messed with the description.

guitarcenter.com/Used/Gold-Ton...-Banjo.gc

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They also taut the "rich walnut warmth" and claim the it's a "Walnut banjo".  All the current OB-150s are maple. Did Gold Tone ever make a walnut 150 or is this just more AI nonsense?