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Old Joe Clark again

Posted by Judith511 on Sunday, December 31, 2017

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Well i never got a video that I was happy with to enter the contest but that does not really matter. I have been recording and practicing and I can see an improvement. It still does not sound great but it is sounding more like the tune it is supposed to sound like. :)  

17 comments on “Old Joe Clark again”

WayneConrad Says:
Sunday, December 31, 2017 @10:14:38 PM

It might sound strange to congratulate someone for not having a video to enter, but you know what I mean: The improvement from practicing and recording is its own thing. Very cool.

Judith511 Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @5:39:34 AM

Thanks Wayne. So when you listen to the recording what do I need to work on. I have problems making the F cord in the second part, more practice like your video showed, but I do feel I am getting the tune better.. Do I just keep practicing and listening to the song done by others to get the tune better? I think I need to make the melody notes stand out more which I think I have begun to do in the second part of it. Suggestions?

WayneConrad Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @6:59:09 AM

I didn't see a recording in the post. I tried searching for it and didn't find it. I'll offer what suggestions I can, of course. Can you help me find it?

Judith511 Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @7:42:23 AM

LOL...I just realized I forgot to post the link,,,duh

n1wr Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @7:43:55 AM

Judith511 - Can't find your video either, but from experience I will say the following. You probably have reached a plateau with the tune. I've been there. Best thing is to set it aside, and continue working on new material, and practicing your regular routine. Try to find material that helps you in the areas you feel weak in. Old Joe Clark is a tune that needs to be played fast - that can be a challenge for anyone.

If you are having trouble with that F chord - try this exercise: continuously switch between the D chord, second position and the G chord, third position. Note that you slide your fingers back and forth on the first and fourth strings, keeping them seated on the strings. You only have to alternately switch your index and middle fingers to make the chords. Play each chord for one measure, and just keep it going. Increase speed as you are able. Also note that you can slide up to the fifth position for an A chord, thus playing all of the chords in the key of D (I, IV and V, or D, G and A).

Have fun, stay warm, and HNY.

n1wr Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @7:47:13 AM

And I forgot to mention - go back to Old Joe and play it occasionally, with a focus on accuracy and speed. It always helps to go back and re-visit material, playing against a metronome or TAB playback or a recording that you can speed up.

Judith511 Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @7:54:17 AM Here it is I hope! lol

Judith511 Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @7:56:16 AM

Thanks Wayne and @n1wr Appreciate the help

WayneConrad Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @8:20:59 AM

Judith, Good job! There's a lot going for you here. Your rhythm is overall good, and the melody sounds great. When you stumble, you pick it back up and kept going without having to go back to the beginning. You're also developing a good sense of feedback, as you can hear for yourself that the F chord is causing you to stumble a little. A huge part... the hugest part?... of learning to play is being able to listen to yourself accurately and be able to tell for yourself what's good and what's not.

There's a small hitch in the rhythm at about 20 or 21 seconds into the video. I can't put my finger on it, but just one or two notes seem like they might be out of kilter. There's another hitch at about 28 seconds in; the F chord is involved so it's not surprising since you're still working on that chord.

I like that you can play without looking at the neck. It's really awkward to have to look back and forth between the neck and the tab--I think it makes progress very slow--so nicely done. Being able to fret "by touch" is an interesting skill to learn, isn't it? But if Doc Watson did it, so can we.

Are you devoting any of your practice time to learning the tab by heart so you do not have to look at the tab either? You will find that just as interesting and liberating as not having to look at the neck.

Nicely done. I enjoyed watching it.

Judith511 Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @8:28:11 AM

Thanks Wayne. It is nice to get some feedback. I try and play without looking at the frets it will pay off later as I continue to learn. Yes I am trying to memorize the tunes, so far I have two down pretty good. Joe Clark is not one of them, it is a bit more complicated. I am listening to others play so I can make sure that I have the tune is a work in progress. :). I think I will go on with other tunes and practice that F chord then come back to Joe Clark again in a bit

n1wr Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @8:32:45 AM

Good advice from Wayne. He is right about getting away from the TAB. It is probably holding you back. Once you have the tune memorized you can focus on listening to what you're playing, and you will progress. Old Joe is not an easy tune to master. You are doing very well.

Judith511 Says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 @9:42:35 AM

Thanks n1wr

n1wr Says:
Tuesday, January 2, 2018 @2:43:24 PM

By the way - getting the dang thing memorized can be a struggle. Start at the beginning, take it one measure at a time. Learn the first measure, then tag on the second measure, and keep going until you have the first part learned. That's usually around 16 measures, but often there is repetition. Look for the repeated parts and learn them individually. Sometimes it helps to learn phrases - maybe two or three measures at a time. The point is to break it all down so you can get it in your head. You'll experience a real sense of accomplishment when you do get it all in your head - and you'll find it much easier to smooth it out, get the timing down, and speed it up some.

HNY and have fun!

WayneConrad Says:
Tuesday, January 2, 2018 @3:15:03 PM

@n1wr How you memorize a piece would be a good blog article for the group.

n1wr Says:
Tuesday, January 2, 2018 @4:07:49 PM

WayneConrad By the way #2 - Memorizing tunes is probably not the best way to learn, although many of us follow this method, at least for the first dozen or so songs. If that's all you do you will never get good at playing by ear. I have nothing against memorizing - I do an awful lot of it, but the real goal is to to be able to listen to a tune, pick out the melody and chord pattern, and be able to play backup (the easy part) and a break (the hard part). Note also that most of the video lessons don't teach you to do this - they are mostly just another form of memorization.

And memorization isn't necessarily all bad. For example, learning the standard instrumentals depends on a lot of memorizing.

The good part of all this is that as you memorize tunes you are learning licks, and learning to understand how they fit with the melody of a tune. It takes a while for a new player to comprehend this - I for one am still working on it.

So - I am going to leave "By theWay #3" to someone else. If the goal is to learn the skills to be able to listen to a tune, pick out the melody and chord pattern, and be able to play backup (the easy part) and a break (the hard part), what is the best approach to learning beyond memorizing tunes?

Judith511 Says:
Wednesday, January 3, 2018 @6:55:57 AM

I think what I want to do is to be able to eventually hear a tune and then be able topics out the chords that it is played in and build it from there. My husband keeps saying I should play by ear but I have never acquired that skill. Something else to work on I guess.

WayneConrad Says:
Wednesday, January 3, 2018 @1:05:49 PM

n1wr I agree completely

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