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stringbeaner - Posted - 07/17/2007: 15:26:01
Yup! I once (arrogantly) called someone a whiner (on a bad day) and got thoroughly spanked in the next 4 - 5 responses. I deserved it, too. I did apologize and have thought out my responses to questions in a more mature (I hope) manner since. I have been playing for more than 50 years and sometimes I catch my ego rearing up when it doesn't need to be there.
Stringbeaner
Bible5 - Posted - 07/17/2007: 18:02:17
My 2 CENTS...there are arrogant people everyware....and sometimes I have been called arrogant on certain topics. For me, Pat Costellos web site and daily online free lessons have helped me a lot..actually more then anything else to where I can stand up in front of 100plus people and play/sing and have the audience really enjoy it. I guess he is teaching what I need to know in a style I can understand.
mtracy - Posted - 07/17/2007: 19:37:20
Hello all. Wow, I caused a pretty big rukus here. I'm Mark, who sent the note to Patrick. Let me clarify my feelings. There does appear to be some great banjo talent on Banjo Hangout, and I like the site overall. I didn't have any arrogance directly to me, or any of my questions, but just saw some when reading through the forums. Mainly, someone would come on, and say they were a newbie, and ask a simple question. Good answers would come, along with a lot of lingo and technical terms, which would not do the newbie a lot of good. My comment was mainly seeing this in contrast to what I have seen Patrick present, in a very friendly, "just have fun" way. Sorry if this hurt anyone's feeling, that was not the intent. It just seems some folks (not only on this forum), just answer questions to show what they know, not to help. Anyway, I mainly wanted to let everyone know that Patrick did not fabricate this. It came from me, and is only my single opinion. Thanks. Mark
chip arnold - Posted - 07/17/2007: 21:03:42
"I (unfortunately), started my research into clawhammer banjo on BanjoHangout.com. At first I though, “Great, people I can learn from”. In reality, what I got was a bunch of arrogant folks talking about how hard banjo is, and will take years to play, and memorize this and that."
I read your former posts and the responses you got seemed polite and helpful. Why not stick around and give things a chance. There are lots of beginners on this list as well as lots who have been playing a long time. Oldwoodchuck responded to a post of yours with helpful advice and he's been doing that for beginners for a long time. And posting free video helps for beginners as well.
PC's "very friendly, "just have fun" way" never appears on the internet lists. His behavior has caused most HO members as well as the members of other internet groups to want no part of him. That's why he's been locked out of this and other lists. So please don't judge the people here too harshly on the subject of PC until you read some of his tirades on old threads.
Stick around. Come to Clifftop and we'll pick.
Play with a plan
Chip
sugarinthegourd - Posted - 07/17/2007: 21:14:04
Edited by - sugarinthegourd on 07/17/2007 21:18:33
wormpicker - Posted - 07/17/2007: 23:28:44
quote:
Originally posted by oldwoodchuckb
Does that mean I'm the "bunch of arrogant folks talking about how hard the banjo is, and will take years.... etc?"
No, OWB. Re-read his latest post more carefully:
"I didn't have any arrogance directly to me, or any of my questions, but just saw some when reading through the forums."
Paul
Obsession is a great substitute for talent. -Steve Martin
BConk - Posted - 07/18/2007: 07:24:38
quote:
Originally posted by wormpicker
quote:
Originally posted by oldwoodchuckb
Does that mean I'm the "bunch of arrogant folks talking about how hard the banjo is, and will take years.... etc?"
No, OWB. Re-read his latest post more carefully:
"I didn't have any arrogance directly to me, or any of my questions, but just saw some when reading through the forums."
Paul
Which is in direct contrast to what he wrote for PC's forum -
"...what
I got was a bunch of arrogant folks talking about how hard banjo is, and will take years to play, and memorize this and that."
Brian Conklin
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists...4644&alid=-1
BConk - Posted - 07/18/2007: 07:32:55
While I now have evidence that PC did not write the comment himself - I'll stick with the second part of my original statement
"I'm with Wild Jimbo and others here in that I think PC himself may have fabricated the comment to suit his needs. If not, they do seem to be calculated to cater to his affections and lacking in sincerity at worst, or exaggerated at best."
Brian Conklin
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists...4644&alid=-1
mtracy - Posted - 07/18/2007: 15:40:53
I guess to have made it more clear, I should have stated "What I found was....". Just symantics. Sincere, not exaggerated (from my perspective, and that's all it is). The complete discussion on PC's blog was concerning web forums vs. live workshops in general. Thanks.
sugarinthegourd - Posted - 07/18/2007: 16:05:42
I know Pat was banned from Banjo Hangout a few years back (due to repeated incredibly rude and inflammatory posts) -- but then he was back a few months ago. Does he still have an active account here? Was he banned again?
I think he was permanently banned from Banjo-L, too, for the same reason.
But all the rest of us are the arrogant ones. Funny, that.
Pat Costello - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:04:31
See, the comedy here is that "rude" is a matter of perspective.
Let's be honest here and tell everybody what is reall going on.
I am a professional musician. I hve literally dedicated my life to my chosen craft.
You, Brian Conklin, Chip Arnold, Glenn Godsey and the other people attacking me can barley play at a beginner level.
That is not a flame or a brag. That is a fact. You can't play. the only thing you can do with a banjo is hold it - and even that gets screwed up half the time..
In every heated debate that broke out one of you inexperienced players were trying to push something that was false onto other beginners in a vain attempt to boost your egos. When I pointed out that you were wrong you freaked out.
Look through the archives. In every case it's me being attacked by somebody viciously defending an indefensible and baseless opinion.
When somebody with my background gets cursed - and it always took on the constant pertering and hectoring kind of attack you see in this thread - by somebody who cannot even play at a beginners level it's only natural for the experience player to throw his or her arms up in the air and say, "You're an idiot" to the idiot in question.
Is it rude to call an idiot an idiot? I think it's only as rude as somebody handing out bad information or attacking somebodies character in a locked forum.
Look around, folks. I have brought the banjo & the guitar to people all around the freaking world. I have friends, students and customers everywhere. The only people who hate me are a group of people who can't play - but spend a lot of time pretending to play in forum.
Have fun with your hate-fest. When it's all over I'll still be teaching thousands of people a day and the forum dwellers here still won't be able to do anything but talk about playing.
TTFN
-Patrick Costello
Loved my millions, hated by a handful
Edited by - Pat Costello on 07/18/2007 17:14:14
KE - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:21:47
Haven't we been down this road before?
Pat Costello - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:24:49
There is one thing I have to ask before I leave.
What exactly did you people expect to gain from this thread? I know Paul is always looking to hurt me for some twisted and unknown reason - and like a truly evil person he always claims that he starts garbage like this out of public interest - but how is attacking the single most successful old time banjo player in the last twenty years prove to people that you are not a group of mean and arrogant people?
What were you thinking? What is wrong with you?
Just curious.
-Patrick
chip arnold - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:27:36
Patrick, You're just absolutely incredible. The truth is that you do indeed give away a lot of good information, lessons, etc. You certainly have more energy than I do. As near as I can tell you deliver what you seem to promise to your students. At least those students who post here think so. I don't think your teaching is the best way to start folks who may want to continue on into a more melodic approach to clawhammer. Because of that I'll always steer beginners toward Dan Levenson, Tony Spadaro, R.D. Lunsford, Ken Perlman, etc. I have heard you play and I think what you do is just fine. It's not how I like to play but that's just fine too, Patrick.
Your rude, childish and derogatory outbursts are another thing altogether. As for myself, I wish you'd stuff a sock in it.
Play with a plan
Chip
wormpicker - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:33:37
The problem, Pat, is that you are not allowed to call someone an idiot on this web site. That kind of talk is what inevitably gets you locked out, and what makes many people reluctant to even want to engage you in conversation. Nobody in this thread has attacked your music. Even you critics have, in many cases, complimented your music and teaching. You, on the other hand, use name calling and personal attacks as your prime tactic. And when someone offered a very polite dissenting viewpoint in the comments to your blog, it mysteriously disappeared in short time. Glenn Godsey has not even participated in this discussion. Why are you attacking him?
Paul
Obsession is a great substitute for talent. -Steve Martin
Pat Costello - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:37:06
quote:
[I don't think your teaching is the best way to start folks who may want to continue on into a more melodic approach to clawhammer.
How on earth can what you think matter? You can't play, Chip.
I know that sounds harsh, but the fact here is that you know NOTHING about music. Your only claim to fame is that you attend Clifftop.
As for being rude, you're the one doing the insulting.
-Patrick
wormpicker - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:38:22
quote:
Originally posted by Pat Costello
I know Paul is always looking to hurt me for some twisted and unknown reason - and like a truly evil person he always claims that he starts garbage like this out of public interest - but how is attacking the single most successful old time banjo player in the last twenty years prove to people that you are not a group of mean and arrogant people?
What were you thinking? What is wrong with you?
Just curious.
-Patrick
Once again, Pat, you are showing your true colors, and I won't dignify your trash talk with a substantive response. Have a good life.
Paul
Obsession is a great substitute for talent. -Steve Martin
KE - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:39:13
It's time to let it be.
Edited by - KE on 07/18/2007 17:43:57
Pat Costello - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:40:46
quote:
Originally posted by wormpicker
Nobody in this thread has attacked your music.
Oh puh-lease. Go back and read Chip's post.
You can try to take the high road all you want, but the fact is that this thread was nothing but a ham-fisted attempt to shoot me down because you're jealous.
What goes on my site has no bearing here.So I used the Hangout as an example of what I am trying to avoid, if anybody had bothered to read the rest of the thread it would have been easy to see that there was nothing malicious going on, but you're so full of hate that you couldn't help but twist everything around.
-Patrick
SlowPockets - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:47:22
the single most successful old time banjo player in the last twenty years
Is that a verifiable fact, or is that more a Muhammad Ali kind of a quote?
WildJimbo - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:50:30
quote:
Originally posted by Pat Costello
[quote]
How on earth can what you think matter? You can't play, Chip.
I know that sounds harsh, but the fact here is that you know NOTHING about music.
Whilst I generally avoid feeding the trolls, I find the above comment utterly absurd.
Jim Pankey
http://www.wildjimbo.com |
http://www.lonemountainband.com |
http://www.banjolounge.com
Edited by - WildJimbo on 07/18/2007 17:52:02
chip arnold - Posted - 07/18/2007: 17:50:38
My description of your music:
"The truth is that you do indeed give away a lot of good information, lessons, etc. You certainly have more energy than I do. As near as I can tell you deliver what you seem to promise to your students. At least those students who post here think so. I don't think your teaching is the best way to start folks who may want to continue on into a more melodic approach to clawhammer. Because of that I'll always steer beginners toward Dan Levenson, Tony Spadaro, R.D. Lunsford, Ken Perlman, etc. I have heard you play and I think what you do is just fine. It's not how I like to play but that's just fine too, Patrick."
*****************************
Your description of my and other's music:
"You can't play, Chip.'
"You, Brian Conklin, Chip Arnold, Glenn Godsey and the other people attacking me can barley play at a beginner level."
"That is not a flame or a brag. That is a fact. You can't play. the only thing you can do with a banjo is hold it - and even that gets screwed up half the time."
*************************************************
Now run along and get your supper.
edited to put quotes around PC's words
Play with a plan
Chip
Edited by - chip arnold on 07/18/2007 18:03:53
Pat Costello - Posted - 07/18/2007: 18:02:02
quote:
Originally posted by chip arnold
Now run along and get your supper.
Taking the high road won't work, Chip. You've said too many hateful and stupid things here, in other threads and in other forums to play the victim.
-Patrick
By the way, I never said anything about your music. You don't have any music. You can't play.
-Patrick
chip arnold - Posted - 07/18/2007: 18:05:03
:-)
Play with a plan
Chip
mike gregory - Posted - 07/18/2007: 18:36:42
Down here at MY skill level, maybe I'm too easily impressed.
However, the statement "Chip, you can't play" intrigued me. So I listened to one of Chip's music files.
If he can't play, then whomever he bribed to post "A Gift to Be Simple" for him, seems to know how to play.
In an effort to be fair, I'll go listen to a Pat Costello rendition of some tune with which I am familiar, and see if it is also recognizable and enjoyable.
I do not worship any particulkar style; I just like banjo in general.
Maybe my attitude is too casual, but I have seen da
ed little of what I would consider arrogance from the other persons on posts throughout the Hangout.
I can understand how a person who has made a serious business of banjo, might not appreciate what are perceived as attacks upon himself and/or his chosen profession.
However, I have also learned that perception is more imporant than raw information. We may perceive as insults, statements which are not insults; and we may perceive things as being worth fighting about, which are not worth fighting about.
From my own personal history, enforcing the Building and Zoning codes for Our Fair City, I actually got two phone calls, just a few days apart, from persons of two obviously different skin varieties. And each of them SINCERELYaccused me of showing favoritism to persons not of HIS particular shade.
Obviously, at least ONE of them had to be wrong, although I took the sum of the two calls as proof that I was equally enforcing the Codes.
Next time somebody does something arrogant, would you guys & gals alert me by e-mail, so I can see it fresh and alive and in context?
And I thank you, I do.
Mike Gregory, Banjo Maker Infraordinaire
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BANJOJUDY - Posted - 07/18/2007: 19:17:31
I am relatively new to banjo playing, but I would never take a lesson from someone who calls anyone on the Banjo Hangout names. I know my playing is far from stellar. I visit the hangout to seek advice, help, assistance and good humor. Along the way, I've met many wonderful people who I now consider my friends.
Many of the Banjo Hangout members that Mr. Costello chooses to flame and riducule are people who have been very helpful to me in the learning process.
Perhaps it is time to stop this thread....it is a waste of my time to read the posts.
Personally, Mr. Costello, I suggest you chill out dude! You'll live longer!
Treeman - Posted - 07/18/2007: 19:51:17
I would like to know why wormpicker felt the need to start this thread at all? I read Pat's blog every day, he always has good advise and his love of folk music is evident. He wants to to teach people to play folk music, not necessarily banjo music.
I have little talent, but I love folk music; and reading Patricks books and watching the folk song of the day helps me, gives me hope that one day I can play folk music.
Before all of you judge him, go watch his folk song of the day, go ahead look thru his archives and then tell me he is the deamon you all think his is. Tell me how many of you are willing to stoop down to my level and help me out?
Reading some of the comments you all made, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Luke 1: 46-55
wormpicker - Posted - 07/18/2007: 20:23:55
Luke, I started the thread because I read this viewpoint that was 180 degrees counter to everything I have observed about the clawhammer forum, and I guess I was curious if others ever observed anything resembling what the person making the quote observed. I posted it in the clawhammer forum, and it was subsequently moved by a moderator to this forum. I gave the link and source of the quote because that is the fair and proper thing to do when you quote someone making a controversial statement. I SPECIFICALLY said that I did not want this thread to be a discussion of Pat, and I repeatedly urged people not to discuss Pat, and admonished people who did. I happen TO OWN Pat's book. I BOUGHT IT through Amazon. I have watched and even downloaded several of his videos. I have NEVER uttered a critical word about Patrick's music or teaching. Today I had a nice off-line conversation with Mark, the person who made the original comments on Pat's blog. I told Mark that I agreed that Pat is a great musician and a great teacher. In a past thread that turned in the same direction as this one, I tried to engage Pat in a polite civil conversation as to why I thought people in the forums seemed to turn away from him (basically, because of the verbal abuse he resorts to, as he has here). He would hear none of what I had to say. He told me that "It's a lot more fun just to say something outrageous and use the resulting hubbubas free advertising." He made a similar comment in his own blog today. So please don't accuse me of judging Patrick. If you want to understand the hostility and animosity that many people here have toward Patrick, I suggest you search out some of the previous threads in the archives. Some, I think, have disappeared, but there are enough remaining for you to draw an accurate conclusion for yourself. As to others in this thread being ashamed of what they've said, maybe you should reread their comments. Most of the comments on his music and teaching methods were criticisms, not personal attacks. And most of those were offered along with genuine compliments. In my opinion, the criticisms some people made about Patrick's behavior were fully justified by what he showed us today.
Paul
Obsession is a great substitute for talent. -Steve Martin
Edited by - wormpicker on 07/18/2007 20:26:05
JimD - Posted - 07/18/2007: 22:29:38
Wow! -- nothing like getting it straight from the horse's mouth...
Being quite new to the BHO, I knew absolutely nothing about Mr. Costello before this thread began and was trying to withhold judgement for that reason.
He certainly lost any respect that I would have been inclined to give him by his actions here.
Jim Dalton
http://www.singingstring.org/JD/
J-Walk - Posted - 07/18/2007: 22:35:52
It's called free publicity, JimD. That's how you get to be the single most successful old time banjo player in the last 20 years. :)
Patrick C - Posted - 07/18/2007: 23:05:33
When it comes to success stop and realize that I have, like me or not, managed to create an entire new market for teaching frailing banjo. That's after starting my own publishing company - and that little publishing company has managed to put out a book that is outselling everything else on old time banjo while a free version of the book circulates the Internet.
We didn't buy advertising, we didn't suck up and we didn't sell out. None of the music magazines gave us the time of day, the forums made every effort to drag my name in the mud and Dear Old Dad and I still managed to pull it off.
The great thing is that we're just starting. I am putting myself out under the same open-source license that I used to release my books online so that I can offer free workshops across the country and around the world.
So yeah, I'm pretty freaking successful. This half-deaf, uneducated epileptic is kicking major boo-tay and helping people around the world.
To top it off, I even drive a cool car. Praise Jesus!
I'm off to go help people, do nice things and make money. You folks can continue to talk amongst yourselves.
-Patrick Costello
banjoholic - Posted - 07/18/2007: 23:24:37
quote:
Originally posted by WildJimbo
Hey Paul!
I found that arrogance you were looking for.
"...the single most successful old time banjo player in the last twenty years..."
Wow... I missed that earlier. That's some real, honest to goodness, no holding back, arrogance right there.
It is just a wee bit ironic that Mark made a post about arrogant people on the clawhammer forum on PC's website. Talk about coming full circle!
By the way, I just decided that I'm the greatest golfer of all time! And that Tiger Woods...well, barely a beginner in my book.
savzac - Posted - 07/18/2007: 23:27:12
Well, guess we now know.
I'm going to edit myself because some people just make me want to puke.
mike gregory - Posted - 07/18/2007: 23:53:39
What you see depends on
where you stand,
and what you're looking for.
I can't fault a person whose book is outselling the second-best book,
if he claims to be a sucessful author. That's not arrogance, that's quantifiable data.
If the book is about banjo playing, then it is, from a certain viewpoint, it does indicate that he is a successful banjo player.
Some of the Outhangers are looking for instances of arrogance,
on the part of Mr. Costello, and find it.
And Mr. Costello seeks instances of arrogance from some Outhangers,
with similar results.
Much as I love to make smardastical comments, this thread no longer inspires me.
It just got sadder and sadder, the more I read.
wormpicker - Posted - 07/19/2007: 00:01:49
I'm actually an Inhanger, but maybe that's getting too personal. 
Paul
Obsession is a great substitute for talent. -Steve Martin
tubaphone1927 - Posted - 07/19/2007: 00:22:00
quote:
Originally posted by Pat Costello
There is one thing I have to ask before I leave.
What exactly did you people expect to gain from this thread? I know Paul is always looking to hurt me for some twisted and unknown reason - and like a truly evil person he always claims that he starts garbage like this out of public interest - but how is attacking the single most successful old time banjo player in the last twenty years prove to people that you are not a group of mean and arrogant people?
What were you thinking? What is wrong with you?
Just curious.
-Patrick
Who are you??? If you're the most successful oldtime banjo player in the last 20 years then how come I've never heard anyone, ever mention you?? Though I am most certainly sure the reason is your fault since you seem to lack any sort of reason or tact.
The Cuscus is watching you...
mike gregory - Posted - 07/19/2007: 01:02:37
quote:
Originally posted by tubaphone1927
[br
The Cuscus is watching you...
I learn something new on the Hangout every day!
UP until now, I thought the Cuscus was the random chant
a Daddy uses, when trying to get the car to start on a cold, cold morning.
R.D. Lunceford - Posted - 07/19/2007: 05:54:06
quote:
Originally posted by twelvefret
[br
What I have noticed is that the experts, except for Tony aka Oldwoodchuck, tend to respond in a matter of fact way.
Here is something RD posted yesterday. I thought he could have done a better job if he had said more.
quote:
The answer is no.
You can mix it up all you want (and that's fine), but you won't be playing true clawhammer.
R.D. Lunceford- "Missourian in Exile"
To me the question seemed to be "Am I playing clawhammer if I mix other picking techniques in with it." I thought it needed a straight to the point answer- there were other things that needed saying, but it seemed that other folks were covering those bases.
You usually need not worry about me being to brief with my responses- I never use one word if I can find a way to use ten.
This was no exception. In fact I think I followed up with 3 or 4 more postings on the topic.
R.D. Lunceford- "Missourian in Exile"
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Model 1865 Bowlin Fretless Banjo
sugarinthegourd - Posted - 07/19/2007: 06:03:05
Moral: Better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
twelvefret - Posted - 07/19/2007: 06:04:46
You usually need not worry about me being to brief with my responses- I never use one word if I can find a way to use ten.
This was no exception. In fact I think I followed up with 3 or 4 more postings on the topic.
Your later responses in that particular thread were after I had posted this one to Uncle. I was glad to see you provide additional information. Sometimes less is more and sometimes it is not enough.
chuck
"Any darn fool can make something complex; it takes a genius to make something simple." Pete Seeger
R.D. Lunceford - Posted - 07/19/2007: 06:31:18
quote:
Originally posted by twelvefret
Your later responses in that particular thread were after I had posted this one to Uncle.
That time I was a little more successful at resisting my penchant for verbosity........but just for a little while!!!
R.D. Lunceford- "Missourian in Exile"
*************************
Model 1865 Bowlin Fretless Banjo
BConk - Posted - 07/19/2007: 09:29:54
quote:
Originally posted by Pat Costello
You, Brian Conklin, Chip Arnold, Glenn Godsey and the other people attacking me can barley play at a beginner level.
That is not a flame or a brag. That is a fact. You can't play. the only thing you can do with a banjo is hold it - and even that gets screwed up half the time..
In every heated debate that broke out one of you inexperienced players were trying to push something that was false onto other beginners in a vain attempt to boost your egos. When I pointed out that you were wrong you freaked out.
Look through the archives. In every case it's me being attacked by somebody viciously defending an indefensible and baseless opinion.
When somebody with my background gets cursed - and it always took on the constant pertering and hectoring kind of attack you see in this thread - by somebody who cannot even play at a beginners level it's only natural for the experience player to throw his or her arms up in the air and say, "You're an idiot" to the idiot in question.
TTFN
-Patrick Costello
Loved my millions, hated by a handful
Patrick -
I invite you or anyone else to show me any examples of my "push(ing) something that was false onto other beginners in a vain attempt to boost (my) ego" Go ahead - search the archives.
Someone who knows me might tell you that, some time back, when I felt my post level grew too high vis a vis my experience level, I cancelled my account "Beeconk" and started all over as "BConk" because I felt some forum newcomers might think that I had more experience than I did because I had so many stars next to my name.
While most of us endeavor to paint themselves in the best light, I think I take good care not to misrepresent myself as something that I am not.
I have never painted myself as an expert player, unlike you, and I have never even painted myself as a talented or accomplished player. Only rarely do I offer any advice about playing.
I have owned and played and set up a great number of different banjos and have spent a great deal of time studying the instrument and the current market for them - and it is in these areas that I tend to feel most confident in giving advice.
I have argued with you countless times, yes. As I recall, however, it has always been for your vindictive name-calling and "my way or the highway" approach to - seemingly everything about banjos and music in general from what I can gather.
When you posted here on a regular basis - you frequently peppered your posts with preemptive insults directed at anybody that might come forward to disagree with you or even to dare to suggest something that wasn't a verbatim reading of your own advice.
Then, when the unintimidated called you out on your statements, you'd frequently fly into slinging insults right and left.
If insulting the debater instead of actually debating what they said was not your primary tactic when it comes to discussions I wouldn't have any problems with you whatsoever.
And if you were not so insulting to anyone that dares to disagree with you - or even to anyone that offers different advice, you wouldn't be banned from so many forums where decent folk with all levels of experience, proficiency and talent meet to discuss the music they love.
I do not
hate you but I must admit that I do take a certain perverse pride in being first on your list to attack by name. I feel I've earned it.
Brian Conklin
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists...4644&alid=-1
Edited by - BConk on 07/19/2007 11:32:31
FretlessFury - Posted - 07/19/2007: 09:31:09
I was going to try to avoid this thread but it's pulling me in.
It's too bad that whenever Pat rejoins the hangout his only posts are divisive and self-congratulatory. Over the years I've seen him repeatedly banned from the banjo-l and the Hangout. I guess it's foolish to expect things to change, but every time he pops back in I hope for an amicable exchange of ideas.
It makes me think that he intentionally sabotages his membership so that he doesn't have to defend his ideas in an honest and polite dialogue. I don't know why someone would do this, especially considering that he could only gain students by defending his material in a civil manner.
Oh well. Silly me for hoping things could be different.
And I just want to go on the record and say that Chip Arnold's playing is beautiful. I just listened to Baptist Shout on his homepage. Man! If that's bad banjo playing, we could use some more of it!
Tom Collins
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www.newhottimes.com
Red hot old time music.
Edited by - FretlessFury on 07/19/2007 09:34:22
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