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banjoez - Posted - 09/22/2023:  07:17:26


Well, like most things today we tend to over analyze. I'll just end with thanking everyone who participated and to remember, it's just a banjo. Have fun and be good to eachother!!

NotABanjoYoda - Posted - 09/22/2023:  07:32:00


In person people would choose different banjos too because the ultimate end user tech is the ears and brain, which are all unique setups.....that is why Posts like this are fun.

If one was to post analog output plots and FFT analysis with a -45 dBnoise setup, that would be eye rolling and equally inconclusive. We all like different clarity and fuzz.

steen - Posted - 09/24/2023:  12:27:29


I like best listening to no.1. DonĀ“t know why. Steen

banjoez - Posted - 09/24/2023:  14:58:26


Well, based on your responses, the Gold Tone Twangers are officially the tone champs in this little test. Gotta admit they do eat many other brands of banjos for breakfast. Been saying that for a while. The key is in the setup (right bridge, head tension, tone ring fit, etc) however, they do have a remarkable pot assembly right out of the box. They may not be the prettiest or have the nicest finish but they do perform where it counts.


Edited by - banjoez on 09/24/2023 15:01:41

1935tb-11 - Posted - 09/25/2023:  11:54:56


1 thing to remember while listening to these sound bites,,, joe has a very good right hand... his friend may not get THAT tone out of it when he plays it. to my ear with you playing all of them the twanger sounded the most pleasant and the granada next. as i get older i like a more mellow tone so that may be why,,,, just my 2 cents

steve davis - Posted - 09/25/2023:  12:34:18


I think people enjoy the banjo or guitar that fits their hands and ears.

banjoez - Posted - 09/25/2023:  18:25:54


quote:

Originally posted by 1935tb-11

1 thing to remember while listening to these sound bites,,, joe has a very good right hand... his friend may not get THAT tone out of it when he plays it. to my ear with you playing all of them the twanger sounded the most pleasant and the granada next. as i get older i like a more mellow tone so that may be why,,,, just my 2 cents






Excellent point. Like most players once you reach a certain skill level you do tend to sound similar regardless of banjo. 

kyleb - Posted - 11/11/2023:  12:39:23


quote:

Originally posted by banjoez

Have you tried one? (Properly setup)






Yeah it was okay. No where near the level as a Granada or a sunflower. I'm sure with a bunch of tinkering , changing out the bridge etc they can sound great. Hell I've seen great pickers and setup guys make a bottle cap banjo sound great. It's absurd however to claim they sound better than a high quality insturment when they are not. I've picked 3 , all of them had the typical gold tone production issues. Again , decent banjos, but I wouldn't put in the rank of professional instruments.  Seems typical gold tone here to take a like this make a claim of superiority. In 30 more years that 90s Granada will be soundsing great , these gold tones will suffer from the cheap binding , manufacturing issues etc. 

NotABanjoYoda - Posted - 11/11/2023:  12:57:51


Wasn't this just a sound test where members voted? The GT simply got more votes.

This thread is almost 2 months old.

O.D. - Posted - 11/11/2023:  13:39:04


If GT is going to use this test in advertising they should at least tell the whole story and be truthful.

10 people out of 131,528 bho members voted Twanger #1
in a sound test.

Everett

Brian Murphy - Posted - 11/11/2023:  14:17:09


The voting was not even close. And it wasn't one OB-3 that did well. Both scored way ahead of the others. As to not many people voting, that's an interesting point. There have been a lot more opinions shared after the banjos were identified. Not shockingly, the more expensive banjos did much better after the reveal. But plenty of people decided not to venture a guess, so I question how confident they are in their opinions and criticisms. Truth is that much of the banjo market has nothing to do with sound. We all want what we want, and for different reasons . But there is no point criticizing a company that has made good banjos that beginners can really learn on and mid- to higher end stuff that people can afford.

kyleb - Posted - 11/11/2023:  14:32:33


I used strong language to describe gold tone in my original post, so it was deleted. I apologize for any offense. I'm not personally a fan of that company do to issues I've had with their products. However I would like to share the advertisement they are using. I disagree that this thread does as they claim in the ads I've been seeing , which is shows that's a the hangout decided that a gold tone twanger was the best sounding banjo.  Here is the ad that got to me this thread, I've never seen a company try to use a conversation on here to market a product and find it odd that they would use this one. 


Edited by - kyleb on 11/11/2023 14:33:39



 

NotABanjoYoda - Posted - 11/11/2023:  15:16:19


kyleb Now i see where your coming from. Where is that ad? That is a bad move on GT's part and I do think its a ridiculous ad. They conveiniently left out my thread on their sub bar easily worn out metal twanger plating in their ad.

kyleb - Posted - 11/11/2023:  15:22:36


quote:

Originally posted by NotABanjoYoda

kyleb Now i see where your coming from. Where is that ad? That is a bad move on GT's part and I do think its a ridiculous ad. They conveiniently left out my thread on their sub bar easily worn out metal twanger plating in their ad.






Right ? And the part about the lag holes being cut to big. the ad  was on Facebook , sponsored ad not an organic post. I think gold tone makes a good product for what they sell for, you can't get that level of banjo from an American company for the price. So gold tone and recording king fill that market . I'm not really a buyer at that market anyway , but I have bought a couple gold



tone products and had issues with them. That said it's exactly what I expect for the price but I find it absurd to make these kinds of claims in an ad, that it's ranked number one on banjo hangout for sound, based of a conversation involving a handful of users which it barely won the poll. 

NotABanjoYoda - Posted - 11/11/2023:  15:29:58


kyleb Right! I like my twanger, but its no Stelling. It is the 3rd best sounding banjo I own, out of 5 ... to me. It is my second favorite ergonomically. Since this thread is part of an ad now. Im on the record. My Twanger is bleeding its plating. One year old and looks worse than a prewar as far as plating is concerned.

Brian Murphy - Posted - 11/11/2023:  15:39:49


quote:

Originally posted by NotABanjoYoda

kyleb Right! I like my twanger, but its no Stelling. It is the 3rd best sounding banjo I own, out of 5 ... to me. It is my second favorite ergonomically. Since this thread is part of an ad now. Im on the record. My Twanger is bleeding its plating. One year old and looks worse than a prewar as far as plating is concerned.






Let Wayne and Co know and give them a chance to replace or repair.  I have dealt with them a couple of times and was very impressed at how responsive they are.  If their supplier botched the plating, I bet they'll make it good.

Texasbanjo - Posted - 11/12/2023:  04:46:37


There's nothing unusual about a company "puffing" their product. That seems to be what GT is doing in its ad. It's taking certain information from a thread and using it as advertising. You may not like it, but it's not illegal and not a rule breaker here.

banjoez - Posted - 11/12/2023:  05:43:31


quote:

Originally posted by Texasbanjo

There's nothing unusual about a company "puffing" their product. That seems to be what GT is doing in its ad. It's taking certain information from a thread and using it as advertising. You may not like it, but it's not illegal and not a rule breaker here.






Plus it brings exposure to BHO. I'm sure Eric doesn't mind. wink

steve davis - Posted - 11/12/2023:  08:21:46


A one-time sound sample is hardly a fair comparison of a bunch of banjos.
All my good banjos have needed weeks of set-up and adjusting to get them where I was satisfied that they were producing the best sound I could get out of them with hands-on playing every day for hours.

NotABanjoYoda - Posted - 11/12/2023:  08:45:54


"An independent study on banjo hangout found that the OB3-banjo was the #1 sounding banjo."

I agree with kyleb and will call this spade a spade

This was not a study nor was it independant. The OP was trying to sell those two GT Twangers for quite some time and then did this "study" and then sold one. Then a company used a fun experiment with low quality sound files as a basis for such a statement. The whole thread was created by a member selling GT Twangers! What an oxymoron to then use banjos someone no longer wants as the basis of an ad campaign.

While theres nothing illegal going on and promoting products is a tradition. Calling out that which feels wrong is an internet tradition.

banjoez - Posted - 11/12/2023:  10:38:09


Wrong. I also sold some of the “losers” of this comparison test. I still am enjoying the heck out of my Twanger and others. In case you haven’t noticed I buy and sell lots of banjos on here. This just happened to be at a point where I had enough banjos to do a simple comparison test and thought it might be of interest. It certainly beats the whining and negative posts that pervade this place by the same folks that are complaining about this post. Sign of the times I guess. I purchase all banjos with my own money. I don’t endorse any brand and am not paid anything.



This is why most serious players have left the hangout. You guys have chased them off with your persistent negativity and B.S.


Edited by - banjoez on 11/12/2023 10:51:06

NotABanjoYoda - Posted - 11/12/2023:  11:14:22


quote:

Originally posted by banjoez

Wrong. I also sold some of the “losers” of this comparison test. I still am enjoying the heck out of my Twanger and others. In case you haven’t noticed I buy and sell lots of banjos on here. This just happened to be at a point where I had enough banjos to do a simple comparison test and thought it might be of interest. It certainly beats the whining and negative posts that pervade this place by the same folks that are complaining about this post. Sign of the times I guess. I purchase all banjos with my own money. I don’t endorse any brand and am not paid anything.



This is why most serious players have left the hangout. You guys have chased them off with your persistent negativity and B.S.






My post wasnt an attack on the OP.  The OP did nothing wrong.  My post pointed out the GT AD was a bad interpretation of this thread.  Banjos should be sold through sound files and the experiment was fun.



FYI, When I came on BHO there were about 30 posts per day by 20 or less members.  Those numbers havent changed in my time here and, in general, the same couple dozen members are the main posters now and since I came.  Point a finger and 3 point back.  



 



 



 



 


Edited by - NotABanjoYoda on 11/12/2023 11:16:14

banjoez - Posted - 11/12/2023:  15:08:01


In order to wrap this thread up on a positive note perhaps I misinterpreted some posts. After re-reading them I see where they were (I think) intended to take Gold Tone to task for using my little comparison to push their product. I took some as insinuating that I was somehow in collusion. I was not. Therefore if I misinterpreted it as such please accept my apology. If you did feel that way, well, that’s incorrect.


Edited by - banjoez on 11/12/2023 15:09:13

steve davis - Posted - 11/13/2023:  05:08:54


It's fine to disagree with someone.
Disagreeing doesn't make someone automatically wrong or responsible for people leaving the BHO.
On-line forums' days are numbered in my opinion.

ceemonster - Posted - 11/14/2023:  19:58:11


Late to this party, but sheesh, I love these Banjoez Specials. My favorite was #1, followed by #2. The Stelling was the only of the maples that I liked. I go for mahogany in a Gibson-style, walnut in a Stelling, but the maple Stellings do sound really great when not cranked too tight.   I've always loved this demo of a maple Stelling, awesome tone: youtube.com/watch?v=JF5Q1RkBd8s





I will say I don't think the maple Stellings always record or amp optimally. There's a blare to the electrified sound that I don't hear in a pure acoustic setting.


Edited by - ceemonster on 11/14/2023 20:01:01

ceemonster - Posted - 11/14/2023:  19:59:56


]]]On-line forums' days are numbered in my opinion.[[[

If only this were true of Social Media. The Twitteridiocy, etcetera.

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