Jimmy Sutton - Posted - 08/26/2022:  08:29:07

Here's a recent addition to you tube for those of you that enjoy playing tunes that are normally conceived as being fiddle tunes. It seems to be popular.



youtube.com/watch?v=ywJP7iAWoLk



I have however to admit to finding it difficult to recognize



Jimmy

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 08/26/2022 10:28:16

carlb - Posted - 08/26/2022:  12:58:34

I uploaded many examples of fiddle tunes played on clawhammer banjo.

banjohangout.org/myhangout/mus...?id=24368

Examples: Bob Wine's Tune, Dandy Jim, Elzick's Farewell, Jack of All Trades, Maysville, Rocky Pallet, Tennessee Mountain Fox Chase, Wild Rose of the Mountain

Jimmy Sutton - Posted - 08/26/2022:  13:31:07

Carl,
I should have explained a little more I guess but I would not have known the name of this tune despite being very familiar with versions by Aly Bain and Albert Hash for instance. Would you have been able to name it?

For me it is like the tune Wild Rose of the Mountain which personally I feel doesn't work on banjo. I believe you were in on that discussion some time back.

I am not looking for argument, just wondering if I am alone in finding it hard to hear the tune here.

chip arnold - Posted - 08/27/2022:  05:43:16

I usually like Debby's playing, but I would not have recognized this.

BTuno - Posted - 08/29/2022:  08:25:14

It helps to consider that there is no "standard" or correct version of any tune. Trad tunes always morph in some way, e.g. numerous versions of Sail Away Ladies or Liza Jane.

It can be hard learning a new tune from a banjo version, mainly due to the syncopation we all use. I almost always learn fiddle tunes by listening to the fiddler's version I like.

Debbie McClatchy is a gem, and knows her stuff. She has a web site to learn more. The clip in the OP appears to be versions of a couple of trad tunes she picked up. Her playing is awesome!

Jimmy Sutton - Posted - 08/30/2022:  07:34:26

BT

I know very well that virtually every fiddle tune has one or more alternative names but
Debbie clearly states that the first of the two tunes is Hangman's Reel albeit en Francais.

I agree she is a gem.

Jimmy Sutton - Posted - 09/10/2022:  12:13:38

Further to my posts above. I just pulled a vinyl album from my shelves that I haven't listened to for longer than I care to remember "so many tunes so little time". It is an album by the great fiddler of French Canadian tunes Louis Beaudoin on the Philo label.
I am pretty certain that this was Debbie's source for Hangman's Reel which is certainly different to that played by Aly Bain or Albert Hash. She also uses the French title "Reel de Pendu" as per the notes in French in the sleeve notes.

Bill Rogers - Posted - 09/10/2022:  18:15:35

This is her take on the Reel du Pendu (“Reel of the Hanged Man"), usually translated into American English (incorrectly) as “Hangman’s Reel.” They are not exactly the same tune.  Compare the two below--an NC/VA version by Greg Hooven, followed by Jean Carignan's French-Canadian rendition  

youtube.com/watch?v=MN7ZIjJlwUQ&t=157s

youtube.com/watch?v=cAQJhdNfiwE

I'm thinking Carignan was Debbie's source because it was the most readily available version in the U.S.

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 09/10/2022 18:42:21

Jimmy Sutton - Posted - 09/11/2022:  05:29:04

Greg Hooven as did many others of his generation Brian Grimm, Bruce Molsky etc I am sure learnt it from Albert Hash who seems to have got it from another fiddle player when they were at the world's fair in 1982 but after Albert's death a recording by a French Canadian fiddle player was found among his collection. I have forgotten which one.
I think Debbie's inspiration was the Louis Beaudoin which was also available in the U.S on the Philo label. It is on you tube too.

Jimmy Sutton - Posted - 09/11/2022:  05:45:35

Have just seen this on you tube it appears to be a French man playing "Reel du Pendu" which I recognise as "Hangman's Reel".

youtube.com/watch?v=UFR0A7Lc3Z4

Pretty good version whichever you call it