PlectrumPlayer1989 - Posted - 10/10/2016:  12:00:58

Does anyone know the exact measurements? Length and width?

If anyone wants one, a friend here in Nashville can make them for ya. $15 plus tax.

Im having 2 custom badges made. One for me, and one for a friend.

banjocollector - Posted - 10/10/2016:  22:32:52

Please can you send through a photo - What size resonator badges are you having made ?

Thanks,

Derek

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/12/2016:  03:24:52

During the 20s Bacon used 4-5 nos. different paper badges at the resonator insides - for a short while even two at the same time - the one partly covering the other.

So - which type is in question - and why at all add a faked copy?

Polle

banjotrader - Posted - 10/12/2016:  05:42:28

Polle,

I think he is referring to a badge, not a paper label...  It's taken care of anyhow.  The banjo he has had at one time a NPU6 gold plated badge on the back of the resonator, but was stolen from the banjo, likely to build a reproduction like your own.

PlectrumPlayer1989 - Posted - 10/12/2016:  07:50:38

Polle, 

Why do you have a Fake NPU #6 in your database?

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/12/2016:  08:48:09

Oops - my mistake/confusion - the expression badge going for this part is completely new to me - my English reading/writing does often suck somewhat - please pardon me - plus I´ve so far never seen a B&D Super with a badge/metal tag/metal shield at the resonator back. That´s why I thought of a possible inside paper "label" only.

However - the outside metal tags used by Bacon for some of their models - yet only for some of the examples of these models - did come in different sizes over time - mostly depending on them being either engraved, stamped or combined engraved/stamped.

Does this resonator back of burl maple not show the distance between the screw holes - and especially an imprint of the tag? All B&D´s carrying a tag and passing my hands did so.

I´ve studied the picture of the resonator back in question - I can´t see neither the screw holes or an imprint of the tag - but maybe they are present outside of the picture frame?

I do myself own a Silver Bell No. 6 NPU reproduction - as often condescending pointed out by Peter - however this example is in details so well and correctly built, that even I have very big problems finding out which parts of it are either originals or replicas. This does for example go for its resonator metal tag - I simply can´t tell whether it´s an original part or a replica - and I doubt that nobody else can.

Polle

banjotrader - Posted - 10/12/2016:  08:50:17

to Polle's credit, his fine replica is not included in his database AFAIK.

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/12/2016:  08:55:46

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Originally posted by PlectrumPlayer1989

Polle, 

Why do you have a Fake NPU #6 in your database?

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Oops - crossing postings!

Ryan - I do not have any fakes in my DB´s. As told you off-line I´m trying to keep these as "clean" as possible.

However a few partly faked and partly/fully up-graded examples are of great historical interest for the research by me and others - they are included - but always with a remark like for example "partly faked". Do have a closer look yourself.

Polle

PlectrumPlayer1989 - Posted - 10/12/2016:  10:35:50

It's there. Two small holes that have been plugged. Someone robbed it off of the banjo at some point to probably make a fake, which this one, is in fact without a doubt, not a fake.

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/20/2016:  05:10:01

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Originally posted by banjotrader

to Polle's credit, his fine replica is not included in his database AFAIK.

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Peter - no it isn´t - besides it will tomorrow go back to Germany - so do stop backbiting me off-line!

BTW - it´s a fantastic performer - with some indeed good looks - absolutely equivalent to an original example - only at a value/price less than a 1/3 of the value for an all-original example.

Polle

banjotrader - Posted - 10/20/2016:  05:21:37

You'll be happy to know that I've helped promote your fantastic banjo and get it sold for you... You're welcome.

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/20/2016:  05:48:22

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Originally posted by banjotrader

You'll be happy to know that I've helped promote your fantastic banjo and get it sold for you... You're welcome.

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So why all of the slander in the later years?

I didn´t examine this banjo closely for several years after my purchase - as I did unconditionally trust the German seller and Mr. A. selling it to him some years earlier - obviously my mistake - but the unconditional trust towards others is normally regarded one of the main factors for us Danes being declared the most happy population on earth - year after year after year.

So - I´m a happy guy - and I do still trust people unconditionally - opposite you and others, it seems.

Polle

Edited by - Polle Flaunoe on 10/20/2016 05:58:18

banjotrader - Posted - 10/20/2016:  05:52:05

Glad you got it sold. My newest and second NPU is coming tomorrow. Will be happy to share pictures. Its a very early model

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 10/20/2016:  09:41:57

Perhaps trust is an issue here in the U.S. because so many of us have been cheated. I used to be a trusting soul, but after a few decades of deceitful politicians, unfaithful girlfriends, lying used car salesmen, thefts of tools, and bogus internet service contracts, I'm afraid that I, too, have become a bit jaded. Maybe I should move to Denmark; but then again, I'm lousy at learning foreign languages. (I'd probably fall for some "Learn Danish While Your Sleep" scam that only aided my inherent insomnia.)

davidcava - Posted - 10/20/2016:  15:30:17

Hey Peter, I' love to see your new NPU. Can you give us a sound clip as well?

Dc

banjotrader - Posted - 10/23/2016:  03:45:46

As promised here are a couple quick photos

 

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/23/2016:  05:17:02

Peter - the pics are to blurry for me to detect the details - but she seems to be in excellent condition - and of course a beauty! Indeed a great find.

Do you have her original mute assembly (I´ve noticed a rim hole for the activating rod)?  If not - will you want to have a time correct assembly put together?  I´ve this year so far donated two complete assemblies for early NPU projects - plus parts for two other mid/late 20s SB´s. I do for now not know how many assemblies/parts are remaining in my stock - do let me know of any missing parts - I´ll then dig out my stock (still buried somewhere in my garden shed after my removal ½ year ago) and see what´s left.

Polle

banjotrader - Posted - 10/23/2016:  05:25:19

Thanks for the offer Polle, I do have the original pedal and actuator which i've removed along with an aftermarket engraved pickholder.

MikeHashem - Posted - 10/23/2016:  09:38:40

It's nice to see another "original" show up. Good luck with it. Regards Mike

banjotrader - Posted - 10/23/2016:  11:33:05

For sure, aside from some obvious minor upgrades to flash it up, it's all original along with its many years of visible use. These make for great ITM banjos. Will be glad to keep it around for a bit.

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/25/2016:  03:04:05

Peter - will it be possible for you to post some close-up pics of the carved lions head?

This year 4-5 nos. till now for me unknown #6´s have popped up - all with somewhat or very different carvings - I would like to put up an overview of these plus the examples already represented in my pics archive. Also - a few years ago I had to let go of a copy of 1001 Banjos ( lent from a very friendly friend for 7-8 years) - but lately I´ve got a copy of my own - I´ll scan some of the pics there as well and combine these with the others.

You did 1-2 years ago post an interesting view regarding these lion head carvings over time - and the craftsmen/artists behind them - I´ll make a search for this in the BHO archives and have it in mind when putting up the overview.

Polle

Edited by - Polle Flaunoe on 10/25/2016 03:04:56

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/25/2016:  04:44:21

PS!

Peter - I´ve over the summer experienced a whole new side of you - both here at BHO and at other fora - the former "aggressions" seem to have gone - I do welcome this very much - and that´s why I´m stretching out my hand.

I did btw. find your posting in question - in fact at this thread (LOL!) - and not nearly as old as presumed.

banjotrader - Posted - 10/25/2016:  07:30:59

I will get these to you offline.  For now, please look at your archives for NPU6s between 189XX and 214XX (i.e. 1926).  This appears to be when the transition from the so-called Smiling Lion to the Fierce Lion appears. 

I know for certain that in July 1929 George Guest was working for Bacon.  What I have concerns with is why the sudden change in approach of lion design in 1926.  The entire finesse seems to disappear.

Was he the original carver??

Edited by - banjotrader on 10/25/2016 07:35:23

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/25/2016:  07:45:56

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Originally posted by banjotrader

I will get these to you offline.  For now, please look at your archives for NPU6s between 189XX and 214XX (i.e. 1926).  This appears to be when the transition from the so-called Smiling Lion to the Fierce Lion appears. 

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Peter - the transition has so far been told going the other way round - from-furious-to-smiling - but do forget about this for now - my present interest in the various carvings is in fact based on these two and some other "designs" apparently being totally mixed over time - LOL!

More later - do post some pics off-line - if possible - I´ll of course keep you and others up-dated regarding the planned overview.

Polle

banjotrader - Posted - 10/25/2016:  08:35:44

these would be the features that I am referring to.  You'll find that all 12XXX to [somewhere between 189XX & 214XX] have the smiling (as I refer to it), and the carved lions post smiling-period mostly all are the "Fierce" lions; until of course the etched heel appears.  which intiated another transition.   You'll notice that cases inside 12XXX to [somewhere between 189XX & 214XX] that deviate from this "Smiling" type have questionable carving styles on the rear of the peghead; almost too minimalistic and heavily textured.

Edited by - banjotrader on 10/25/2016 08:40:52

 

 

 

banjotrader - Posted - 10/25/2016:  09:16:46

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Would be one such example where the lion and rear-peghead dont fit the bill.  Of course many of its features are quite right either.

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/26/2016:  03:47:52

Peter - there seems to be some confusion about the "names" used over time for the various lions - so let´s forget about this issue - I´m now in the progress collecting and putting together pics of as many lions as possible. Maybe later we can come up with some better "names".

If you have some pics in your archive - preferably together with SN´s - I´ll welcome these as well.

BTW - the neck on SN 16013 - as linked by you - is a fake - as are some of its other features/parts.

Polle

banjotrader - Posted - 10/26/2016:  03:52:35

Interesting. Can you share your SN/Lions with me and i'll join mine to yours and send back. the trends so far are quite obvious throughout no. 6-9.

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 10/26/2016:  04:17:31

Peter - I´ll in the coming days go over what I have an what I can get here and now - also with regards to the peghead back carvings as mentioned by you.

BTW - the OP´s account has been locked - and we´re far away from the original topic - so let´s stop the writings here - I´ll get back to you off-line. It may take some time - as I´m extremely busy in my workshop - I have only a few minutes/hours in-between to spend on this research. However it´s some really interesting stuff - hopefully we can end up with something of use and interest for others as well.

Polle

banjotrader - Posted - 10/26/2016:  04:34:11

Great I look forward to helping you solve yet another mystery About these fantastic banjos