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RV6 - Posted - 10/18/2013:  07:18:57


I converted my Reiter Buckbee to nylon strings using a no knot tailpiece.  With steel strings on the banjo, there was enough pressure on the bridge to get some head deflection so a dime or quarter (can't remember which right now) would fit under a 10" straight edge.  With the Aquila reds or Sands medium nylons I tried, no coin will fit under the straight edge and the "J" hook nuts are finger tight.  I thought the nuts were loose enough, they might vibrate completely loose.  In all my searching of BHO, I didn't come across this phenomena.



I thought that some pressure on the bridge would be desirable for energy transfer to the head so I installed a homemade wood tailpiece and a quarter will fit under the straight edge.  To me, the banjo sounds  better with the wood tailpiece.



I really like the Chris Sands nylons and have them on all three of my banjos, now.



Comments?



Bob



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dculgan - Posted - 10/18/2013:  11:52:22


I had the same issues with low pressure from nylon strings, a know-knot tailpiece, and a tension hoop that sat up a little high. I switched to a Kershner but your tailpiece accomplished the same thing. I don't like a set-up with too little pressure on the bridge and I would think your banjo would sound better set up the way you have it now.

dfwest - Posted - 10/18/2013:  16:00:42



Interesting solution. I also prefer Sands strings over the other nylons strings I've tried. I have a set on my Tu-Ba-Phone/Wyatt Fawley conversion and I might put them on some of my other banjos. I use a Kershner TP, but I'm sure yours works great, too. I also made a bridge from one of those paint stirring sticks they give away at Ace Hardware - it's super light and really seems to transfer the vibrations to the head. I'm really happy with this combination.

Dave

retread - Posted - 10/19/2013:  03:53:38


There are bigger and better pics of the walnut tailpiece Bob made on his page. Very nice, I think I'm going to try one myself!



 


trapdoor2 - Posted - 10/19/2013:  07:52:41


I like that tailpiece, Bob. Nice work!



I'm one of those that prefer minimal pressure on my bridge (and a very lightweight bridge for nylon/nylgut/gut). No-Knot or free-hanging wooden tailpieces do it for me. Heck, I've lost all the adjuster screws out of my BG style tailpieces...I leave 'em backed off and eventually they drop out. I guess a little Loctite could have saved 'em. big



I played Sands strings for quite a few years. Then I tried gut and wasn't all that happy with the short life-span...but preferred the sound. Nylgut captured the sound, they're just a smidge softer than the Sands strings under my fingers but I got used to that quickly. The RED set of Nylguts seems harder under the fingers yet still capture that gut sound I like. I had to ditch the RED 4th string though, too rubbery for me. I replaced it with a "Weaver 4th" from Clifford Essex Music and I think it makes a perfect Classic fingerstyle set.



I have one banjo set up for nylon clawhammer and I like the Sands heavies best on it.



Clifford Essex Music sells a really nice set of guts now. They're pricey @ over $27 per set (plus shipping from the UK) but they're the best I've found for Classic fingerstyle...and so far, they've been on one banjo for over a year (not my #1 player though).



 


RV6 - Posted - 10/19/2013:  15:30:47


Marc,

I recently made a "hanging" tailpiece and put it on the Morgan Monroe. It works well and the banjo sound fine to me. A dime fits under the 10" rule.

I put the pictured wood tailpiece off of the MM on the Reiter and have one like it on my RK OT25. I made a maple nut for the RK and put homemade walnut, two footed bridges on the RK and Buckbee.

I didn't care for the Aquila reds (but I liked the look.) I agree with your comments on the red 4th string. I think I'll be playing the Sands strings for the rest of my banjo playing life.

I'm going to sell the MM one of these days when I get around to it. I prefer the necks on my RK OT25 and Reiter Buckbee for feel and for looks and don't need 3 banjos. I like the simple fret boards with just dot inlays as opposed to the fancier stuff.

Bob

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