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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: TOTW 1.24.13: Half Past Four


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ChuckJo - Posted - 01/24/2013:  19:19:14



Here is my clawhammer interpretation of Ed Haley's Half Past Four.  According to John Hartford, Ed's son Lawrence Haley said Ed wrote this tune about the passing of Sherman Luther, Ed's firstborn boy, who died in childbirth at half past four in the

morning.  



Ed Haley (1885-1951) was a blind fiddler who who traveled widely throughout West Virginia, Ohio, eastern Kentucky and southwestern Virginia, and is known for his powerful fiddling and distinctive repertoire.



The banjo is an original Tubaphone circa 1910.  It is unusual in that it has a Whyte Laydie maple neck and pot, but the tone ring is a Tubaphone.



I am a little embarrassed about the bad case of banjo face that I display in this recording. Oh well.



As for the tab, the tuning is aEAC#E.  I tune the banjo up.  Others may prefer to capo at the second fret out of standard G tuning.  I marked open string pull-offs with a bold "PO".




Half Past Four Tab


VIDEO: Chuck Levy Plays Ed Haley's Half Past Four on Clawhammer Banjo
(click to view)

ChuckJo - Posted - 01/24/2013:  19:22:04


Here are some other version of Half Past Four:

Hilarie Burhans et al at Clifftop, Walt Koken and Clare Milliner, and Bruce Molsky and friends.



VIDEO: Half Past Four -- Bruce Molsky
(click to view)


VIDEO: Walt Koken & Clare Milliner - Half Past Four [Live at WAMU's Bluegrass Country]
(click to view)


VIDEO: Clifftop 2007 Old Time Music "Half Past Four"
(click to view)

J-Walk - Posted - 01/24/2013:  19:53:59



Excellent choice. I can't believe this tune hasn't been done yet!



 


ChuckJo - Posted - 01/24/2013:  20:04:24



Thanks!  Surprised me too!



 


stevel - Posted - 01/24/2013:  20:46:30


I've been working on this tune about a year now, and I still can't play it in a manner enjoyable to my ear. And it's almost note for note to the tab provided. (There's nothing wrong with the tab, it's just my playing)

Mac Benford plays it nicely on his album with the same title.


Edited by - stevel on 01/24/2013 20:57:51

raybob - Posted - 01/24/2013:  20:49:32



Thanks Chuck, good one!  Love that video from Clifftop.


dbrooks - Posted - 01/25/2013:  03:18:05



Great choice, Chuck.  You have filled an important gap in TOTW.



David


jamesd - Posted - 01/25/2013:  05:43:59



Great tune selection and nicely played.  I like all the versions.   Also thank you for posting the tab.


Steve Jeter - Posted - 01/25/2013:  06:33:24



  youtube.com/watch?v=BOhzG1Y3IwU



 



heres another , this guys good whoever he is?   Im gonnat try this one


aeroweenie - Posted - 01/25/2013:  09:28:12



Great tune, and one that I actually know!  Nice version CJo.  I learned it from the Clifftop video, they really go to town with it.  I'll post a version when I get home in a few days.


ChuckJo - Posted - 01/25/2013:  09:36:09



Hey Steve,



Thanks for adding the Donald Zepp video,


pg60 - Posted - 01/25/2013:  14:39:17


Sounds great Chuck! Thanks for sharing yours & the other versions. I don't look at your Banjo Face with the beautiful Bamboo Forest background.

Don Borchelt - Posted - 01/25/2013:  20:11:46



A very fine version, Chuck, played with great flair and finesse.  Zepp's version is great also.  Ed Haley left us a legacy of extremely compelling tunes.  Ed Britt and I just recorded this one tonight, a few hours ago, in order to participate. Ed is picking his OME Columbine clawhammer style, in double C tuning, capoed on the second fret. I am three finger picking my semi-fretless short scale Paramount, in an A variant tuning (aEABE). This is the first recording we've made in quite awhile.







Ed Haley {1883-1951)



I have a tab posted on my website of my three finger version, if anyone is interested. 



- Don Borchelt




Half Past Four with Ed Britt

   

AJ3 - Posted - 01/25/2013:  22:26:03



Hey Chuck, Nice Job, Thanks for the tab.  I learned the tune from Hillary B.  when we were at Mars Hill. Don't play it all that much, but it has new meaning with the back story!



 



 


MrManners - Posted - 01/26/2013:  03:33:22



ran across this while researching coal hollerhttp://allmusic.com/album/ed-h...0000040419 you have to punch number 7



Edited by - MrManners on 01/26/2013 03:34:50

ChuckJo - Posted - 01/26/2013:  04:00:54



Hey Don,



You and Ed do an elegant tuneful take on Half Past 4. Woohoo!



 


blanham - Posted - 01/26/2013:  10:05:42



I originally learned it from Mac Benford's book, but differences have crept in over the couple of years since.  In fact, Mac was an instructor at Chuck Levy and Ken Perlman's "Suwannee Banjo Camp", and I bought the book there at the camp store.  I told Mac I had bought his tab book, and he chuckled and said "Good Luck!"  (Some of the tunes in there are next to impossible for mere mortals, but it's a great book and CD.)  I recorded this today on my '23 Vega Style-M pot, with Ramsey neck.  Also, I stuffed a rag behind the dowel stick, which I don't normally do, just to experiment, because this banjo is so darn loud.



 




Half Past Four

   

Jay K - Posted - 01/26/2013:  13:39:24


Great versions all, can't stop humming it. Looking forward to trying it out! Thanks!

JanetB - Posted - 01/26/2013:  15:22:28



Chuck, you picked a good one, and challenging, too.  Thanks for sharing the story behind it.  I wonder if someone will ever publish the biography John Hartford began about Ed Haley.



I went back to John Hartford's fiddling of Half Past Four where he tells in verse of meeting J.P. and Annadeene Fraley and thereby learning about the "blind fiddler Ed Haley."  John also describes sitting in the kitchen with Laurence Haley, the "licks locked up inside his head" as he showed his father's tunes.   "Manys the things his daddy played with the speed of the old long bow." 



On the Slippery Hill website I listened to Ed Haley's recording.  Here's what I came up with today:




Half Past Four

   

ChuckJo - Posted - 01/26/2013:  19:14:41



Hey Bob and Janet,



 



Both good versions.  I am enjoying the variety of expressions of the Ed Haley's tune on this thread.



 


Ho C Ying - Posted - 01/26/2013:  19:41:09



quote:


Originally posted by blanham




I originally learned it from Mac Benford's book, but differences have crept in over the couple of years since.  In fact, Mac was an instructor at Chuck Levy and Ken Perlman's "Suwannee Banjo Camp", and I bought the book there at the camp store.  I told Mac I had bought his tab book, and he chuckled and said "Good Luck!"  (Some of the tunes in there are next to impossible for mere mortals, but it's a great book and CD.)  I recorded this today on my '23 Vega Style-M pot, with Ramsey neck.  Also, I stuffed a rag behind the dowel stick, which I don't normally do, just to experiment, because this banjo is so darn loud.



 






Very nice version.


camcumberland - Posted - 01/27/2013:  07:52:07


This was a difficult one for me, hope I did it justice.



VIDEO: Half Past Four
(click to view)

   

ChuckJo - Posted - 01/27/2013:  11:48:34



Great job Camcumberland.  It is a difficult tune (at least the way I've arranged it).  Bravo!


camcumberland - Posted - 01/27/2013:  13:14:35


Thanks Chuck!

whyteman - Posted - 01/27/2013:  22:10:25



We actually recorded our version at 4:30 pm. in our front yard. That's why you hear a bit of traffic in the neighborhood. Half Past Four is when folks start getting home.    -Don- 



 



youtube.com/watch?v=x4itv8Sx7Kc


Jaxman - Posted - 01/28/2013:  12:15:05



I enjoyed it Chuck!!  Thanks for sharing!


David McLaughlin - Posted - 01/28/2013:  13:01:36


I really enjoy hearing all the above versions...by real good pickers, too. Thank you all!

aeroweenie - Posted - 01/28/2013:  18:30:23



Here is my version of Half Past Four, I learned it from the Clifftop jam on Youtube.  Its one of my favorite tunes so glad to see it in TOTW.




Half Past Four

   

jojo25 - Posted - 01/29/2013:  09:15:33



some quite nice versions here people...methinks my fav is Claire and Walt...as Walt's playing is so faboo and I can clearly hear the interaction 'tween the banjo and the fiddle


strokestyle - Posted - 01/29/2013:  12:19:46


Here is Colin Blair Fiddle and Banjo Billy Mathews on banjo, from a concert at Music Folk in ST. Louis 2009.



Half Past Four

   

blockader - Posted - 01/30/2013:  08:14:06



this is a great tune and one of our favorites to play at dances. i've enjoyed all the versions immensely and will try and do a recording tonight to contribute.



-justin


Clawdan - Posted - 01/30/2013:  09:05:47



This is a great tune. From the playing of Ed Haley and others of the Ohio river area of Ohio/WV region. I've attached the slow basic version from my Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo book which Mel Bay published in 2006. I'll work on an up to speed one today but want to give it a bit of practice before posting it.



Play Nice

Dan

Clawdan.com




Half Past Four - slow, basic

   

Clawdan - Posted - 01/30/2013:  10:13:33



Okee Dokee. Here's the video I did for Half Past Four today. youtu.be/n1rKlXK0y-0



Dan

Clawdan.com

 



Edited by - Clawdan on 01/30/2013 10:18:11



VIDEO: Half Past Four
(click to view)

   

jamesd - Posted - 01/30/2013:  12:53:16



I had forgotten that this tune was included in Dan's " Festival Tunes" until  Dan posted.  I looked again at the book and was pleased to see  the tab for Half past Four.  I am working on this tune, however for me it is really difficult. to get the tune correct.   But it is fun to have it to work with. 



I have enjoyed listening to all the posts for this tune.  Great tune of the week!



 


Clawdan - Posted - 01/30/2013:  16:35:35



Here's a fiddle version for you. Gonna see about posting it to Fiddle Hangout for TOTW so we can get them playing it too.



Play Nice,

Dan

Clawdan.com




VIDEO: Half Past Four - fiddle - AEae
(click to view)

   

ChuckJo - Posted - 01/31/2013:  17:29:48



In the spirit of sharing here is a fretless version.




VIDEO: Chuck Levy Plays Ed Haley's Half Past Four on an Enoch Fretless Banjo
(click to view)

   

slc - Posted - 02/01/2013:  09:20:25



What a great tune! I saw that Clifftop clip last year but it seemed completely inaccesble until this TOTW post. Now I'm working it out on the fiddle (painfully arduous but it's really the best and sometimes only way for me to learn the actual notes) and it's interesting to notice the little differences in the versions. The one written out in the Milliner-Koken Collection is based on Ed Haley's playing and has some runs I would never have figured out using only my ears - and it's slightly different than Clare's own version with Walt Koken on that radio show. The recording of Ed Haley is fantastic but it's hard for me to separate the tune from the showmanship. And looks like now II need to add Ed Levenson's and Ed Borchelt's renditions to the mix too - both sound great!



If this TOTW doesn't drop off the radar maybe I'll post my version when I have one smiley


redsroost - Posted - 02/03/2013:  07:00:28


Great post...Love it!!!
Keep those tunes of the week coming;You advanced players are a wealth of
"all things banjo" to us hoard of new comers..It is like water to a sponge.
Thank you to all the contributors of tune of the week.

pcollings - Posted - 02/04/2013:  12:32:53


I love all the versions, so thanks to everyone for posting. I'm finding it helps tremendously in developing my ear. It is also nice to hear the history of the tune, even if in this case it now sounds a bit sadder than it did before.

J-Walk - Posted - 02/04/2013:  16:30:52



Dan! Why didn't you play that one at the jam on Saturday? It would have been a fun one. 


Clawdan - Posted - 02/04/2013:  16:59:33



You would think after the hours we played we would have covered that! BUT, I DID remember the name of the other tune we played that we didn't have a name for. It was ....Argh, gone again! Sorry. Next time. In Tucson. Ah well, working on settin up a wireless connection in the house finally. So, I'll check back when I remember.


slc - Posted - 02/04/2013:  23:50:41



OK here's my version so far - not sure how accurate it is because I have yet to play it *with* anyone, but I had fun doing it :-)



Really appreciated hearing the other posts and info - I would never have attempted this tune without your inspiration.




VIDEO: Half Past Four on banjo
(click to view)

   

Clawdan - Posted - 02/05/2013:  14:13:44



tater patch John.


ChuckJo - Posted - 02/10/2013:  14:32:53



Hi Stefan,



Great job!  A worthy addition!


RWJones1970 - Posted - 02/11/2013:  05:08:57



So much good advice, so many fine versions, and I have to learn this tune before too long.


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