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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Tune of the Week - Glory in the Meeting House - TOTW


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WildJimbo - Posted - 11/26/2011:  11:00:02



I't my turn to take a run at the TOTW, and I've chosen the ever problematic (at least for me) Glory in the Meeting House.



I'm not quite sure where I ran across this tune, and for the life of me it sounds like a bunch of other stuff.  I posted t up a while back in the Sound Off section and there I had said: 



 



The tune has reared it's head a few times lately and I felt like it was time to figure it out.


 


I had no clue where to start, being that it was in E.  The tuning progression was kinda fun and it went sort of like this:


 


Standard G


 


g# D G B D 


 


g# D G# B D


 


then finally


 


g# D G# B E


 


I may noodle around with the tuning more, but I'll try to get it firmly under my fingers there for the moment.


 


Having a good fiddler friend (Gilbert Sewell) tell me, "Just start with G tuning and you'll be able to play it" was a huge help.  Gil's confidence, and a solid starting point made it easier - not easy, but easier.  Hopefully I can trot this tune out this weekend...


 


​It was also the ToTW over n the Fiddle Hangout last year: fiddlehangout.com/archive/14175


 


There's some pretty good info about the tune there too.  I really recommend exploring those links associated with that thread.


 


So without further rambling and dodging of the subject, here's my take if you missed it a while back in "Sound Off": youtube.com/watch?v=uQm12OpHkmo


 


Oh, and here's an alternate take that I didn't share back then: youtube.com/watch?v=tdKytmDsSLI


 


It's pretty much the same, just didn't have one clever bit that I liked. :)


 


 


Edited by - WildJimbo on 11/26/2011 11:03:39



VIDEO: Glory in the Meeting House - Alternate Take for TOTW
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VIDEO: Glory in the Meeting House
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aeroweenie - Posted - 11/26/2011:  11:22:37



Unusual (to me) tune, I like it.  In E?!  I don't know any tunes in E -  ah, and another tuning to learn!



Here is another version by Leftwich: youtube.com/watch?v=Bcy3gi1ZK-...e=related


WildJimbo - Posted - 11/26/2011:  11:43:11



quote:


Originally posted by aeroweenie




Unusual (to me) tune, I like it.  In E?!  I don't know any tunes in E -  ah, and another tuning to learn!



Here is another version by Leftwich: youtube.com/watch?v=Bcy3gi1ZK-...e=related






Well... as for the alternate tuning, that was just my preference.  It does play just fine in standard G tuning.  


WildJimbo - Posted - 11/26/2011:  12:00:07



quote:


Originally posted by WildJimbo




... and for the life of me it sounds like a bunch of other stuff.



 


 





Two tunes that come to mind are Flannery's Dream and Jerusalem Ridge 



You can hear the Jerusalem Ridge bits here: youtube.com/watch?v=EjcQlDhZ6Qs



Flannery's Dream shows up in this version: youtube.com/watch?v=l-u476MPd6g



Which leads me to believe these three tunes (maybe more) all have a same common ancestor.


Jason Wilkerson - Posted - 11/26/2011:  12:17:13



Very tasteful....nicely performed.  Are there words?


WildJimbo - Posted - 11/26/2011:  13:08:56


Not words... At least not that I'm aware of.

majikgator - Posted - 11/26/2011:  13:42:14



Smokin' Jim very nice i had never heard it before, great arrangement and pickin', like the Leftwich one a lot as well, i need a tune like that and in that key. If you ever feel like tabbing out a version let us know, i found your tab of New Railroad very useful, your style is a really nice departure from a lot of the input i have gotten to date and make good use of the instrument(sounds like a banjo)


strokestyle - Posted - 11/26/2011:  13:53:27



Nice tune and played very well  WildJimbo. Not one I have learned yet. But tell that Fiddler friend of yours Hello from Illinois.


banjoike - Posted - 11/26/2011:  15:13:16



Nice tune!!



 


tfaux - Posted - 11/26/2011:  16:27:47



An version by Hurt and Hartness: 



youtube.com/watch?v=l-u476MPd6g



This medley is also on Adam Hurt's "Perspective" CD.


J-Walk - Posted - 11/26/2011:  17:09:51



That's a great video, tfaux. How did I miss that? 



For the record, I have recordings by:



Black Twig Pickers (on an album with the same name)

Erynn Mashsall & Chris Coole

Adam Hurt & Beth Hartness

Huricane Ridgerunners

James Levra & Purgatory Mountain

Luther Strong

The Macrae Sisters



 


cbcarlisle - Posted - 11/26/2011:  20:30:19



This has been one of my favorite tunes for almost 50 years. I always thought it was recorded just a few miles from where I was born (and 4 years earlier) but it turns out there are Two Dalesburgs in Kentucky and this one was the wrong one! [It is credited with another location in the Fiddler's reference.] Luther Strong is my very favorite fiddler - even if this were his only tune. Listen to the original again:  aca-dla.org/cgi-bin/showfile.e...=1429.mp3



One of the things that bothers me about most more-recent versions is they have smoothed out all the distinctive characteristics of Luther's tune. Brad Leftwitch is the only one I heard that retains the strong anticipations in the low strain and no one seems to take advantage of the tonal ambiguities in the melody. We lament the passing of the old non-tempered tunings but we are responsible for retaining them.



I recorded a version on one of my large gourd banjers on my last CD, Banjer On My Knee, in a medley with Little Birdie. It is so hypnotic I could've kept playing it all day: they had to make me stop. Amen!


banjoak - Posted - 11/26/2011:  21:14:29



Two tunings I like are



eEG#BD



eEABD


RG - Posted - 11/26/2011:  23:27:40



WJ-Great pick (no pun intended)-one of my all time favorites!!!  A fantastic, quirky OT tune-thanks!!!



Orginally posted by cbcarlisle



One of the things that bothers me about most more-recent versions is they have smoothed out all the distinctive characteristics of Luther's tune. Brad Leftwitch is the only one I heard that retains the strong anticipations in the low strain and no one seems to take advantage of the tonal ambiguities in the melody. We lament the passing of the old non-tempered tunings but we are responsible for retaining them.



Couldn't agree more with this statement Curt, I got thoroughly skewered in a past topic I started titled "New Old Time" for expressing this very sentiment, the beauty of these tunes lies in NOT straightening them out...but I feel that this is a minority opinion on this site, most folks seem to enjoy these tunes simplified, smoothed over & played in a festival modern music sensibility, some even posit that these newer versions are better than the originals...I just can't agree with that...



 


ndlxs - Posted - 11/27/2011:  08:06:23


Very Nice version, Jimbo. We used to do it, and I think I played in Double C capoed up. We must have done in in D.

Andy Alexis

Julian44_4 - Posted - 11/27/2011:  08:41:54



By Lyle Konigsberg




Glory in the Meeting House

   

cbcarlisle - Posted - 11/27/2011:  09:02:31



By Lyle Konigsberg 



It is manifestly easier for fiddlers to get more subtlety (tonally And rhythmically) than we poor banjerists but this is a good example of someone hurling himself at the obstacles. IMO this is what we All should be trying. Well done, Mr. Konigsberg. (I wimped out and didn't dare try the high, third strain.)


YorkshireWannabeOldTimer - Posted - 11/27/2011:  15:44:46



I came across this tune in the last couple of weeks, after following a link to the Juneberry 78s site where there's an archive of the recordings of Luther Strong, and really liked it. I had a go at tabbing it out, using a droney tuning (dDGCD - Sawmill with the 5th string tuned down to the pitch of the first string). Excellent versions already posted; here's my own perhaps weird-sounding attempt in E:




Glory in the Meeting House

   

WildJimbo - Posted - 11/27/2011:  15:53:33


Not words... At least not that I'm aware of.

banjoak - Posted - 11/27/2011:  18:47:46



I have heard these words:



Glory at the meeting house

Glory in the fields

Glory to the fish, little birds and the eels

Glory to the sunshine

Glory to the rain

Glory to the fiddler when he plays the tune again



Glory to the old folks

Glory to the young

Glory to the sinners who are having all the fun

Glory to the whisky

Glory to the gin

Glory to the fiddler when he plays the tune again



and IIRC the Freewill Savages sang something resembling lyrics


WildJimbo - Posted - 11/28/2011:  14:10:37



quote:


Originally posted by banjoak




I have heard these words:



Glory at the meeting house

Glory in the fields

Glory to the fish, little birds and the eels

Glory to the sunshine

Glory to the rain

Glory to the fiddler when he plays the tune again



Glory to the old folks

Glory to the young

Glory to the sinners who are having all the fun

Glory to the whisky

Glory to the gin

Glory to the fiddler when he plays the tune again



and IIRC the Freewill Savages sang something resembling lyrics






Awesome!  I'll try and remember to share these with Gil.  :)


LyleK - Posted - 11/28/2011:  19:10:41



quote:


Originally posted by cbcarlisle    ...Well done, Mr. Konigsberg.





Thanks Curt, much appreciated.  And thanks David for digging up that *.mp3.  I had forgotten that I had recorded it.  And thanks Jim for picking a great TOTW.



On the tuning front, although the root is definitely "E" (the tune both starts and ends on "E") , the "mode" is dorian if you use  C# sharp rather than C natural.   So aEADE works as does gEADE (which is what Adam H. uses).  I also worked this out in eBEBE, but only have the tab to show for that (I never recorded it).  Speaking of tabs I've attached a *.pdf and placed it and the *.tef file in the BHO tab archives.



Edited by - LyleK on 11/28/2011 19:11:53



Glory in the Meeting House

   

banjoak - Posted - 11/28/2011:  23:48:50



I generally play the tune as mixolydian, however utilizing a more neutral flavor of a third.


WildJimbo - Posted - 11/29/2011:  19:37:57



Lyle,



Neat arrangement.  Any ideas on the relationship between this tune, Jerusalem Ridge and Flannery's Dream?


LyleK - Posted - 11/30/2011:  07:31:10



quote:


Originally posted by WildJimbo

Any ideas on the relationship between this tune, Jerusalem Ridge and Flannery's Dream?




I can't claim much experience with Jerusalem Ridge, though I have played it (rarely) in old-time jams that strayed a bit from the narrow path.  But I went back and listened to youtube.com/watch?v=bpzoLAwZ-gs (Kenny Baker and Bill Monroe) and the A parts are quite similar to my unrefined ear (see ibiblio.org/fiddlers/JER_JEW.h...LEM_RIDGE).  On Flannery's Dream I hear snippets that are similar to Glory in the Meeting House.


cbcarlisle - Posted - 11/30/2011:  08:17:09



ceolas.org/cgi-bin/ht2/ht2-fc2...it=Search


WildJimbo - Posted - 11/30/2011:  17:28:54



Curt,  thanks for that link!


BANJOJUDY - Posted - 12/04/2011:  10:35:50



quote:


Originally posted by J-Walk




That's a great video, tfaux. How did I miss that? 



For the record, I have recordings by:



Black Twig Pickers (on an album with the same name)

Erynn Mashsall & Chris Coole

Adam Hurt & Beth Hartness

Huricane Ridgerunners

James Levra & Purgatory Mountain

Luther Strong

The Macrae Sisters



 






 You could have witnessed that performance LIVE at my house had you been able to make the concert last April.   I just re-watched it, and WOW!  That's some practice session.  When I grow up I want to play like Adam, and my husband wants to play like Beth.  Maybe we should practice more!



 


LyleK - Posted - 12/05/2011:  06:41:21



Not much banjo in the following *.mp3 (though there is banjo uke).  But this recording shows the reason I don't clawhammer this TOTW very much anymore.  I've been relegated to the fiddle section.



banjohangout.org/myhangout/mus...cid=24424


Uncle Sinner - Posted - 12/08/2011:  11:22:02


If I played this fiddle, Luther Strong's version of this would be the first tune I'd learn. Second would be Bonaparte's Retreat (version by W.M. Step).

I play it in G Modal--it's in my recordings on my BH profile. Now that I have a big nasty gut-string tackhead I'd tune it down to E modal.

sugarinthegourd - Posted - 03/25/2012:  13:23:20


A late reply to mention that I'm pretty sure this is in Mac Benford's book/cassette Kentucky Banjo. I can check and see what tuning he used -- I am pretty sure it's double-D.

sugarinthegourd - Posted - 03/25/2012:  14:07:51


Nope, gEGBD tuning. I was thinking of Ways of the World.


Edited by - sugarinthegourd on 03/25/2012 14:17:17

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