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Nancy - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:17:45
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Originally posted by bilge rat
Nancy...I am sorry if I offended or mislead you. I surely did not mean that smokers or perfume wearers should be in jail or in front of a firing squad.
ron
No problem. I get outspoken. Read what all I do. It's all the way it is with me.
I don't want anyone to control...that's about how I see it. We have a Constitution that is almost dead in the water anyway. None of these things that are discussed is any part of that.
steve j. - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:23:32
I dont know how this devolved into putting smokers in jail, or in front of firing squads. I dont believe anybody advocated that.
I smoke a cigar outside most nights , not inside. When relatives or friends come to my houst that smoke, they know they go outside to smoke. Anybody who couldnt respect MY house and me& go out , I have NO desire ever to entertain.
Some of this stuff is really ridiclious,,, sorry if that makes you mad, but its true
Edited by - steve j. on 02/22/2011 10:24:12
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:26:12
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Originally posted by kevinwholmes
I was born with emphysema, never smoked a single cigarette in my life. Lung disease is no fun, for yourself or your family. I've attend pulmonary rehab at Duke University since 2003. EVERY former smoker who has been there that I've spoken with said they wished they never smoked. A tour of the facility and seeing all the people on oxygen and pushing carts because of smoking might change some smokers minds. I make this comment because I know how lousy it feels not to be able to breathe and hope and care that fewer people have to experience it, whether due to smoking or not. In a way, smokers are lucky. They can make a choice to avoid lung disease, while other people like myself never had that choice.
I have asthma, and my daughter has asthma...not being able to breath is the WORST thing.
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:26:36
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Originally posted by bilge rat
I wish they would pass the No perfume or aftershave law as well! Ever get in a crowded elevator in the AM with 10 women who over dosed on 10 different perfumes? Or the guy who works in the cubicle beside me who obviuosly showers with aftershave?
ron
give it time. and people who are overweight are next... with BMI testing coming to an employer near you.
bobbybanjo - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:28:15
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Originally posted by Nancy
Opoinionated? You bet.
Now I have had to change my husbands diapers. He had a massive stroke. Not from cigarettes...but a stroke from stress!
If you folks don't agree...make the ones that smoke lose all their rights. That ought to cure the problem?You can put all the smokers in jail. That ought to teach them to obey you.
Soon you too will lose some of your rights. We all will. You must judge others? Good grief. 
If your husband had a stroke and you are a heavy smoker you may not have had time to check the connection between smoking and strokes. Perhaps this link will be helpful to you:
ehow.com/how-does_5270667_can-...roke.htmlA quote from this site: "Strokes are a direct result of smoking. Not everyone that smokes will have a stroke, but among those smokers who have been stricken, smoking more than likely was the cause."
Here is another related post regarding the affect of secondhand smoke on nonsmokers:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smokingThere is so much material like this available I am surprised that anyone smokes.
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:29:18
when i was a kid (not that long ago), hardly any kids in school had asthma. now its almost an epidemic in Maine.
one thing i do know... is that smoking rates have gone down in the meantime.....
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:29:58
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Originally posted by KE
And we have the first Hitler reference. Our work here is done.
I'm sorry, but that made me smile...
Think I'l go work on Kevin's tune now...
And he wouldn't allow musicians to tap their feet either.
Edited by - Ronnie on 02/22/2011 10:32:41
Nancy - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:30:56
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Originally posted by bobbybanjo
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Originally posted by Nancy
Opoinionated? You bet.
Now I have had to change my husbands diapers. He had a massive stroke. Not from cigarettes...but a stroke from stress!
If you folks don't agree...make the ones that smoke lose all their rights. That ought to cure the problem?You can put all the smokers in jail. That ought to teach them to obey you.
Soon you too will lose some of your rights. We all will. You must judge others? Good grief.
If your husband had a stroke and you are a heavy smoker you may not have had time to check the connection between smoking and strokes. Perhaps this link will be helpful to you: ehow.com/how-does_5270667_can-...roke.html
A quote from this site: "Strokes are a direct result of smoking. Not everyone that smokes will have a stroke, but among those smokers who have been stricken, smoking more than likely was the cause."
Here is another related post regarding the affect of secondhand smoke on nonsmokers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
There is so much material like this available I am surprised that anyone smokes.
Things are ruled by the dollar...including opinion and tests.
People can prove carrots cause warts if they've a mind to. Money talks.
Nancy - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:36:42
This is a good time to exit. I have a thing to go to.
In the meantime:
CONTROLLERS UNITE. Get those lousey smokers, gum chewers, perfume wearers, fat people, and others you disagree with. Don't forget the ones that hunt or have guns. Go get 'em, controllers.
Ronnie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:37:49
Carry on! I have a meeting to attend.
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:39:54
overweight people are now a bigger percentage of our population than smokers.
overweight people will be a much bigger burden on health care costs than smokers.
be careful who and what you target..... because if trends continue... you could be targeting yourself.
KE - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:42:15
I have an acquaintance who is a judge. He likes to point out that my liberties end where his begins. So while you have the freedom to smoke on your personal property, according to the law we are discussing, that freedom does not extend to subjecting nonsmokers to your smoke in a public space. It's really just a matter of courtesy, if not law. If you expect your rights to be respected, please extend that to others. If you believe smoking causes no harm, do to yourself as you wish; just don't presume to extend your beliefs to others who may know from personal experience that their health is impaired by exposure to your smoke.
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:47:23
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Originally posted by KE
I have an acquaintance who is a judge. He likes to point out that my liberties end where his begins. So while you have the freedom to smoke on your personal property, according to the law we are discussing, that freedom does not extend to subjecting nonsmokers to your smoke in a public space. It's really just a matter of courtesy, if not law. If you expect your rights to be respected, please extend that to others. If you believe smoking causes no harm, do to yourself as you wish; just don't presume to extend your beliefs to others who may know from personal experience that their health is impaired by exposure to your smoke.
My sentiments exactly - you are just so much more articulate than I am !!
Now y'all go have a smoke, or learn a tune, or drink some coffee - if you want to...
Edited by - inniepie on 02/22/2011 10:48:24
Nancy - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:48:30
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Originally posted by KE
I have an acquaintance who is a judge. He likes to point out that my liberties end where his begins. So while you have the freedom to smoke on your personal property, according to the law we are discussing, that freedom does not extend to subjecting nonsmokers to your smoke in a public space. It's really just a matter of courtesy, if not law. If you expect your rights to be respected, please extend that to others. If you believe smoking causes no harm, do to yourself as you wish; just don't presume to extend your beliefs to others who may know from personal experience that their health is impaired by exposure to your smoke.
Some judges are corrupt. Not saying all of them are.
You win. You did the last non-smoking post. CoNgrats.
I'm outta here and this thread.
Edited by - Nancy on 02/22/2011 10:49:52
KE - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:54:28
Excuse me?! I'm failing to see how your suggestion that some judges are corrupt relates to the discussion of being courteous of others' rights. Please elaborate.
And I have no interest in 'winning' whatever that means.
bobbybanjo - Posted - 02/22/2011: 10:55:40
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Originally posted by KE
I have an acquaintance who is a judge. He likes to point out that my liberties end where his begins. So while you have the freedom to smoke on your personal property, according to the law we are discussing, that freedom does not extend to subjecting nonsmokers to your smoke in a public space. It's really just a matter of courtesy, if not law. If you expect your rights to be respected, please extend that to others. If you believe smoking causes no harm, do to yourself as you wish; just don't presume to extend your beliefs to others who may know from personal experience that their health is impaired by exposure to your smoke.
Makes perfect sense!
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:01:12
I'm going to not wear perfume today (and I LOVE perfume.)
stonebroke - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:02:26
I can't add much to this except to say I hate tobacco. I hate seeing butts on the ground, filthy ashtrays, and everything else that goes along with the habit. I can remember when my little girl was about 2 years old and we were at the park and she picked up a cigarette butt and put it in her mouth. I flipped out... People who smoke wreak. Chewing is just as disgusting. How anyone can snuggle up to a smoker and kiss them (in between them hacking up phlegm) is beyond my comprehension....
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:05:42
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Originally posted by KE
I have an acquaintance who is a judge. He likes to point out that my liberties end where his begins. So while you have the freedom to smoke on your personal property, according to the law we are discussing, that freedom does not extend to subjecting nonsmokers to your smoke in a public space. It's really just a matter of courtesy, if not law. If you expect your rights to be respected, please extend that to others. If you believe smoking causes no harm, do to yourself as you wish; just don't presume to extend your beliefs to others who may know from personal experience that their health is impaired by exposure to your smoke.
i presume your friend walks and/or bikes everywhere? why should i have to suffer peoples' obnoxious exhaust entering my yard?
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:07:29
well, i love the smell of tobacco smoke. always have, always will
but you'll never see me telling people what they can and cannot do, especially when outdoors.
KE - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:08:34
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:11:22
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
Oh crap, thanks for reminding me - have to take the Westy in for AirCare...
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:12:10
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
that's not the point. driving is a "privilege", not a right.
ncmedic - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:14:22
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
Nope, his vehicles don't have emissions. they stop even with his yard
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:16:05
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Originally posted by ncmedic
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
Nope, his vehicles don't have emissions. they stop even with his yard
didn't say that. but i'm not a hypocrite like a lot of people are.....
KE - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:19:46
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Originally posted by stevel
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
that's not the point. driving is a "privilege", not a right.
Smoking in a public space is a right? Which article or amendment would that be?
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:21:43
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Originally posted by KE
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Originally posted by stevel
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
that's not the point. driving is a "privilege", not a right.
Smoking in a public space is a right? Which article or amendment would that be?
both are privileges. what makes yours better than others?
Edited by - stevel on 02/22/2011 11:24:05
TN_Picker - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:25:24
It’s not just second-hand smoke from cigarettes, cigars, and pipes that cross this line, pungent / disgusting colognes and perfumes as well...
People complain and go on and on about second-hand smoke smelling bad and the resulting health effects, yet some of the same will wear some of the most disgusting colognes and perfumes imaginable without care to anyone else. While it may be the most beautiful smelling aroma you ever found on this earth, someone else may be hurling their guts out in a trashcan from a few whiffs of the stuff!
Do some of these grind on the senses, indeed they do. If another person gets a massive headache or migraine, are these not resulting health effects?
I’ve been around people in public that had so much nauseating cologne or perfume on that I could smell in on my clothes hours later.
Are we going to ban people from wearing colognes and perfumes as well? Ban second-hand stench?
What’s next…?
KE - Posted - 02/22/2011: 11:33:38
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Originally posted by stevel
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Originally posted by KE
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Originally posted by stevel
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
that's not the point. driving is a "privilege", not a right.
Smoking in a public space is a right? Which article or amendment would that be?
both are privileges. what makes yours better than others?
It's not better. Being privileges, both automobile emissions and cigarette smoking have reasonable restrictions placed on them to protect public health. There is no inconsistency.
Edited by - KE on 02/22/2011 11:34:53
KE - Posted - 02/22/2011: 12:05:44
FWIW, the air filtration system in the BHO lounge is excellent. As much as you smokers sit there blowing smoke rings and wafting perfumes at your monitors ("Take THAT you hypocritical control-freak"), there is nary a hint of noxious odor at this end of the interweb.
KE - Posted - 02/22/2011: 12:06:39
stevel - Posted - 02/22/2011: 12:07:45
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Originally posted by KE
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Originally posted by stevel
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Originally posted by KE
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Originally posted by stevel
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
that's not the point. driving is a "privilege", not a right.
Smoking in a public space is a right? Which article or amendment would that be?
both are privileges. what makes yours better than others?
It's not better. Being privileges, both automobile emissions and cigarette smoking have reasonable restrictions placed on them to protect public health. There is no inconsistency.
maybe not from you personally KE, but surely so from others.
however, smokers are constantly forced into the darkest corners of society due to their "nuissance".... aka 2nd hand smoke. cars and trucks are all around me. i can't avoid them if i wanted. i'm subjected to their pollutants till the cows come home. a lot of this driving is for pleasure (going to the mall, killing time with friends, etc), not for necessity.
vehicle exhaust has a much bigger impact on my health than someone smoking a cig nearby.
personally, i can't wait til cigs are banned. then i can watch others cry as they're taxed into oblivioin to pay for someone elses "feel good ideas."
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 12:21:46
I've learned a whole new tune now....
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 12:39:02
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Originally posted by ncmedic
I think Lyndsay told a tale
I think I smelled a faint whiff of her perfume
Tommy
It's TRUE, I learned the Big Mimosa Split, I will try to post it. It's the first time I've played my banjo for more than 30 seconds in 3 months
No perfume on as I'm going to the swimming hole....then the parFUNE will be applied!
Klondike Waldo - Posted - 02/22/2011: 12:45:51
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Originally posted by jwgreene01
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Originally posted by Gomer
your freedom ends where my nose begins and that included olfactory sensors.
Just curious does this include smoke from a neighbor’s fireplace; exhaust from a truck, driving by a dead skunk on the side of a road, the most obnoxious perfume permeating from the woman standing next to you in an elevator or down wind from a sewer?
That woman standing downwind from a sewer had better have some powerful perfume for her own sake
BigJohn67 - Posted - 02/22/2011: 14:58:58
As a young man I smoked two packs a day for several years. My Dad had died when I was four years old of Tuberculosis, a terrible, lingering lung disease. I always knew smoking was bad for one's health. So when the Surgeon General announced that smoking causes cancer, I stopped immediately. I have some lung problems; don't know if smoking caused it. I was on a watch for several years, with quarterly lung x-rays and tests by a specialist. Now I get yearly x-rays; thankfully, no change for several years.
When Ohio passed laws banning smoking in buildings accessible to the public, I had mixed emotions about it. I believe in people having personal freedom. But I also agree that "my right to swing my arms stops just short of the other person's jaw."
In our town there were two 'real' (not fast food) sit down restaurants. (Not nearly enough.) One was always crowded. There was a bunch of folks who were there daily. They would sit for hours, smoking and drinking coffee. The owner and many locals didn't like it. They didn't buy much and they took up space needed for folks who wanted to get a meal. At times the smoke was a real problem. That place closed. But since the smoking ban it has reopened and is doing well.
In my heart, I believe if a person owns a property and wants to live in a mobile home, it's his property and his right. But at the same time, I understand that if all the homes in the neighborhood are worth $200,000 or more, a used mobile home among them would drive properties down. (BTW, I'll sell our old two story farm house in a heartbeat for under $50,000....)
I dislike zoning laws altogether, but grudgingly accept them. I'm NOT talking about those stupid rules dreamed up by housing development committees (i.e. No American flags allowed in yard or windows).
Here's another example. Ohio (maybe all states) has laws for handicapped people. All public places must be handicapped accessible. Curbs on downtown corners must be changed to allow wheelchair access, etc. Making these changes have been very expensive to business owners and for taxpayers. Should business owners' rights supersede those of folks with special needs?
I absolutely believe that ANY laws that restrict smoking in someone's own home (and anywhere outside) are both ridiculous and outrageous. But outlawing smoking in workplaces and restaurants has noticeably reduced my breathing problems. Does a smoker's right to smoke anywhere he/she wants outweigh my right to work or eat in a restaurant without breathing problems?
I respect people's rights to smoke, drink, etc. But not at the expense of my health (or my family). If someone wants to take a drink or two, that's cool. If they want to drink themselves to sleep every night, ok. Their problem, their right. But if they drink, then get on a highway and endanger others, I have a problem with that.
I'm not angry because people smoke. I understand their viewpoint. But if they say they should have the right to smoke anywhere they want regardless if it might cause health problems for others, I cannot agree. If smokers' rights include being allowed to cause me more lung trouble, then I lose my rights.
John.
Edited by - BigJohn67 on 02/22/2011 15:03:54
u k sandra - Posted - 02/22/2011: 15:11:54
I`ll stop smoking when the government stop being two faced and have the nerve to ban it. They won`t do that because 78% of the cost of a packet is tax. I don`t smoke in friends houses, I don`t stand next to somebody who is not smoking when I have a smoke outside and never smoke where children are, even if I do think being pushed in a pushchair along the side of a road with poisonous car fumes in line with their faces causes more harm.
I hate drink. I would love to see alcohol banned. How many families have split up because somebody smokes. How many times has somebody had a cigarette too many and got home and bashed the wife and kids. Not to worry. According to the news yesterday, a lot of todays youngsters will have died of alcohol related diseases before they reach middle age. I`d also ban McDonalds and all other fast food outlets. In twenty years time at lot of people are going to be too fat to walk.
I know these things won`t be banned and nor should they. We can`t ban everything we don`t like. What`s one mans meat is another mans poison. We have to learn tolerance. Not everybody is the same as us. It would be a very boring world if they were. We also should be considerate. Smoking where people are eating is not being considerate. Stopping people from smoking in the open air, away from others is not being considerate.
I`m going now because this is getting a bit long, If you`ve stuck with it this long, don`t shout at me because I`m going to bed. Goodnight.
Cornflake - Posted - 02/22/2011: 15:30:44
I'd wager that in about 75 years (at least in the US) people will consider smoking tobacco as an odd anachronism, the way we look at people in the 18th and 19th centuries extracting snuff powder from little boxes and sucking it up through their nostrils, then sneezing the snot into a handkerchief. People will be getting their fixes in other ways.
flake - Posted - 02/22/2011: 19:02:24
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Originally posted by KE
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Originally posted by stevel
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Originally posted by KE
There are in fact restrictions on auto emissions. Do you not have those where you live?
that's not the point. driving is a "privilege", not a right.
Smoking in a public space is a right? Which article or amendment would that be?
It's listed as one of the unalienable, or sovereign rights of man listed in The Declaration of Independence.......the right to the pursuit of happiness.
mike
KE - Posted - 02/22/2011: 19:28:06
The Declaration does not convey any constitutional rights. Extending the right to do anything that makes you happy could lead to some pretty bizarre outcomes.
Edited by - KE on 02/22/2011 19:32:03
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 19:36:18
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Originally posted by KE
The Declaration does not convey any constitutional rights. Extending the right to do anything that makes you happy could lead to some pretty bizarre outcomes.
Some of the trouble my patients/clients get into is a good example of that, Ken...
brokenstrings - Posted - 02/22/2011: 20:39:46
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Originally posted by Ronnie
Y'all settle this yourselves. I'm going out to my smoking porch!
You and me both, Ronnie!
brokenstrings - Posted - 02/22/2011: 20:47:18
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Originally posted by Nancy
Hey, don't worry about it.
If you folks think smokers need to be prisoners...sent us to jail.
Now about a dozen of you can do my job here. You gotta take care of an invalid 24/7s. You gotta build a cabin. You gotta run errands for all the seniors and invalids that need to go somewhere. You gotta take meals to shutins, you gotta go to see the sick and comfort them. You gotta play taxi free when you get a phone call to do so. You gotta be pleasant to everyone ALL the time. You gotta be on call for anyone in need. You gotta keep the house clean as a pin, do shopping, keep a small store at home, cook three meals a day...and don't do leftovers. You gotta cut up food for those that can't and make it so they can eat. You have to clean up runs and caca in clothes or thow them out. You gotta mow the grass, or shovel snow. You gotta let dogs in and out and take care of them. You gotta sweep and clean the porches and deck. You gotta wash clothes. You gotta give baths. You gotta give meds when needed. You gotta take invalid ladies shopping and take care of them and find what they need. You gotta put in windows and doors. You gotta mend anything broken. You only get a few hours sleep and that's not all at once. So..you stay up nights to take care of others.
That is what I do. Follow me if you can and tell me what I can and can't do.
Make me obey your rules.
I do all this and a few hundred other things. Want my job?
Nope, don't want your job. But I'm willing to join you and Ronnie on the back porch for a smoke.
feldspar1333 - Posted - 02/22/2011: 22:08:58
Wow. This thread gets the award for Most Prone to Hyperbole and Hysterics!
It has made for very entertaining reading.... when I read some of the over-the-top posts on this thread, I am grateful that politics and religion are verboten on the BHO.
Good night y'all!
inniepie - Posted - 02/22/2011: 23:00:55
Night John boy...
stonebroke - Posted - 02/23/2011: 07:16:50
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Originally posted by brokenstrings
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Originally posted by Nancy
Hey, don't worry about it.
If you folks think smokers need to be prisoners...sent us to jail.
Now about a dozen of you can do my job here. You gotta take care of an invalid 24/7s. You gotta build a cabin. You gotta run errands for all the seniors and invalids that need to go somewhere. You gotta take meals to shutins, you gotta go to see the sick and comfort them. You gotta play taxi free when you get a phone call to do so. You gotta be pleasant to everyone ALL the time. You gotta be on call for anyone in need. You gotta keep the house clean as a pin, do shopping, keep a small store at home, cook three meals a day...and don't do leftovers. You gotta cut up food for those that can't and make it so they can eat. You have to clean up runs and caca in clothes or thow them out. You gotta mow the grass, or shovel snow. You gotta let dogs in and out and take care of them. You gotta sweep and clean the porches and deck. You gotta wash clothes. You gotta give baths. You gotta give meds when needed. You gotta take invalid ladies shopping and take care of them and find what they need. You gotta put in windows and doors. You gotta mend anything broken. You only get a few hours sleep and that's not all at once. So..you stay up nights to take care of others.
That is what I do. Follow me if you can and tell me what I can and can't do.
Make me obey your rules.
I do all this and a few hundred other things. Want my job?
Nope, don't want your job. But I'm willing to join you and Ronnie on the back porch for a smoke.
To each his own, as they say. I've watched several aunts, uncles, and cousins
(I had 38 aunts and uncles at one time....yup, 38 aunts and uncles and 81 first cousins) slowly wither away from emphezema, lung cancer, and heart desease . Just had a cousin who had been on oxygen for the past 10 years pass away last week at the age of 70... Heart surgery in his 50's followed up my emphezema. His sister who is 68 has also been a life long smoker. She is also on oxygen and can't walk more than 10 or 15 feet without stopping to rest.
People can point to alcohol, exhaust fumes, obesity, etc., etc., etc., as other problems that are as bad or worse than tobacco, but that's just people trying to justify their use of tobacco. If tobacco is what people choose to die from, that is their choice. I feel very fortunate that for whatever reason I never had an interest in trying it. It must be a terrible addiction knowing what lies ahead..... I see people around here standing outside where they work when it's -40, in the rain, in the snow, etc. puffing away. The stuff really gets a hold on people. I don't know any smokers who haven't tried to quit or who haven't wished they'd never started. I suppose there are a few around, but I've never met one. They talk about planning their day around when and where they can smoke, keeping track of their cigarettes so they don't run out, etc.
Tobacco like alcohol, obsesity, etc. does affect other people whether they smell your smoke or not. It's not just the smoker who is affected (not talking about second hand smoke here). What about the spouse, friends, and children of the smoker who have to watch them suffer and eventually lose them? What about the current cost of health care? Do the benefits of smoking really outweigh the costs?
At any rate, like I said........to each his own.
bobbybanjo - Posted - 02/23/2011: 08:22:43
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Originally posted by stonebroke
Tobacco like alcohol, obsesity, etc. does affect other people whether they smell your smoke or not. It's not just the smoker who is affected (not talking about second hand smoke here). What about the spouse, friends, and children of the smoker who have to watch them suffer and eventually lose them? What about the current cost of health care? Do the benefits of smoking really outweigh the costs?
At any rate, like I said........to each his own.
We have a gentleman who is a cabinet maker that has done some work for us several times. He is an excellent craftsman and a very nice gentleman. Unfortunately he is also a heavy smoker and, although he never smokes at my house, he always smells like cigarettes. Really a strong smell from his clothes and from his body. When he comes I have to open the doors and windows, no matter what the outside temperature is, and I have to avoid standing too close to him when we have a conversation.
He is such a nice guy that I suspect that he has no clue about his smell but that is typical, I guess. Probably the smokers who are so vigorously defending there habit in this post smell pretty bad too!
Ev - Posted - 02/23/2011: 09:36:26
I realize that smoking restrictions had to happen, are over all a good thing and are fair to non smokers, etc. What I don't understand is to what extent they are willing to criminalize an otherwise law abiding person. ie no smoking in your own car if it's on the property of a no smoking establishment? Gimme a break. That's just punishing the smoker and protecting nobody.
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