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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: 11/4/10 Tuna DaWeak--Sail Away Ladies


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Adam Kiesling - Posted - 11/05/2010:  20:50:48


One of my favorite old time tunes. I was going to post a different tune, but we just played Sail Away for a performance tonight, so I ended up changing my mind.

Here are three recordings from the 78 rpm era: Uncle Bunt Stephens, Uncle Dave Macon and His Fruit Jar Drinkers, and Parker and Dodd.

box.net/shared/kytqns5vxq

Bunt Stephens recorded his version around 1926; Harry Smith included it on his Anthology of American Folk Music, and it is the first tune on the second volume. Smith believed that Bunt's style was probably indicative of a pre-Civil War fiddle style.

Dave Macon recorded his version around 1927, and I think I can honestly say that Dave didn't hold back at all on this one.....

I don't know much about Parker and Dodd, other than the fact that they recorded some hymns. Their version of Sail Away appears on Yazoo's "Times Ain't Like They Used to Be" Volume 6, and there is nary a mention of them in the liner notes.

Here is a you-tube of an unissued early recording by Henry Bandy:

youtube.com/watch?v=U6H5VSexIwo

Here is the page from the Fiddler's Companion website:

ibiblio.org/fiddlers/SAIL_SALLO.htm

I can't find a USB cable at the moment, so I'll post my version later on. There are quite a few videos out there in you-tube land in wide variety of formats. I was browsing through some of them, and I kind of like this one by the Last Chance String Band:

youtu.be/U6H5VSexIwo

I'm heading out for the rest of the weekend to a small OT gathering, so I'll see if I can record a fiddle/banjo version.

Thanks, and don't sheetrock 'em, daddy-o!


Edited by - Adam Kiesling on 11/05/2010 20:56:20

dfwest - Posted - 11/05/2010:  21:48:57



One of my favorites - especially the Uncle Dave version. Thanks!

Dave

RG - Posted - 11/06/2010:  00:33:06


Play this on fiddle like Uncle Bunt, love those bow rocks & one of my favorite tunes-nice choice!

vrteach - Posted - 11/06/2010:  06:18:43


The Dave Macon version was one of the main reasons that I decided to try and learn the banjo. It just didn't have the same pizazz on dulcimer!

Here is a lo-fi recording made in the summer of 1980 at a one-time festival by a one-time band called the Goat Ranch Band. This band was myself (banjo & lead vocal on this song) and LyleK (fiddle & backup vocal), and Valerie Hayes (guitar & backup vocal). We were performing in a nasty old cinder-block garage in the flood plain of the Illinois River, Kampsville, Illinois. The full name of the single-performance band was "Goat Ranch Band Minus Six Chickens." One of our co-workers at the archaeology center owned a goat/sheep/pig farm in one of the hollows, and we had weekly music parties there.


Edited by - vrteach on 11/06/2010 06:39:03



GRB Sail Away Ladies

   

Kitt - Posted - 11/06/2010:  06:39:17


Vrteach, It seems that you forgot to leave the link.


hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...12006.mp3

Nevermind, I see it now.


Edited by - Kitt on 11/06/2010 06:40:08

Don Borchelt - Posted - 11/06/2010:  07:40:15


"Children, don't you weep and cry, you're gonna be angels by and by..." Fine choice for Tune of the Week, Adam, one of my favorite tunes, too. Nice dead-on performance, Eric, from- wow- thirty years ago now. Has it been that long?

Ed Britt and I recorded Sail Away Ladies in my living room a couple of years ago, and posted it. Here's the link:

Ed & me playing Sail Away Ladies

My banjo is tuned gDGAD, Ed is in open G. I have a tab of my three finger version posted here:

banjr.com/tablatures.htm#S

- Don Borchelt


Edited by - Don Borchelt on 11/07/2010 06:22:55

raybob - Posted - 11/06/2010:  08:07:23


Always like this one. Nice playing fellas. Thanks Adam.

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 11/06/2010:  08:53:35


Cool tune with great words.

Some folks sing, "Don't sheet rock my patio" as a pun instead of "don't you rock 'em daddio." I can never listen to it without singing the sheet rock words.

Thanks for a great tune....Judy

mwc9725e - Posted - 11/06/2010:  10:09:48


quote:
Originally posted by Don Borchelt

"Children, don't you weep and cry, you're gonna be angels by and by..." Fine choice for Tune of the Week, Adam, one of my favorite tunes, too. Nice dead-on performance, Eric, from- wow- thirty years ago now. Has it been that long?

Ed Britt and I recorded Sail Away Ladies in my living room a couple of years ago, and posted it. Here's the link:

Ed & me playing Sail Away Ladies

- Don Borchelt



That's beautiful. It's always pleasant to hear you and Ed play. Thank you for making it available.

michael6 - Posted - 11/06/2010:  10:13:28


Very nice,can't beat the old time tunes Thanks

mwc9725e - Posted - 11/06/2010:  10:20:02


This tune sounds almost exactly, make that exactly, like Sally Ann, at least to me. Are the two really one and the same?

janolov - Posted - 11/06/2010:  10:33:38


quote:
Originally posted by mwc9725e

This tune sounds almost exactly, make that exactly, like Sally Ann, at least to me. Are the two really one and the same?



I think the main difference between the G version of Sally Ann and Sail away Ladies is the title.

slabounty - Posted - 11/06/2010:  15:32:04


I think the Last Chance String Band link may be wrong. Here's one that works for me ...

youtube.com/watch?v=dc9AWg4WHCU

A favorite of mine also. Thanks!

Scott

banjo bill-e - Posted - 11/06/2010:  16:22:04


Dan Gellert does a unique take on this classic on his wonderful "Waiting on the Break of Day" CD, and it sounds nothing like Sally Ann.

Kitt - Posted - 11/06/2010:  16:58:30


Banjo Bill,
I have Dan Gellert's Waitin' On the Break of Day. Sail Away Ladies isn't on it.

jduke - Posted - 11/06/2010:  17:03:33


I made my post about Sail Away Ladies before I looked at other posts to see that it is the current tune of the week. It’s one of my favorite tunes, one that I have played for years in the key of F using tuning f DGCD. My question in the other post is if I don’t drop my 5th string to F, and capo the sawmill tuning at the 2nd fret to get G, with this be compatible with others playing out of open G tuning?

Thanks,
Jeff

banjo bill-e - Posted - 11/06/2010:  17:25:06


Kitt, I ran over to my stack of banjo CDs in great confusion, and discovered that you are right! That little gem is one of Dan's contributions to Banjo Gathering. Another essential banjo CD, imo.

Kitt - Posted - 11/06/2010:  18:57:01


Banjo Bill,

Glad you pointed that out because I have that cd too. So I got it out and played Dan's Sail Away Ladies. That is one cool, bluesy, rockin' rollin' version!

vrteach - Posted - 11/06/2010:  19:14:22


quote:
Originally posted by janolov

quote:
Originally posted by mwc9725e

This tune sounds almost exactly, make that exactly, like Sally Ann, at least to me. Are the two really one and the same?



I think the main difference between the G version of Sally Ann and Sail away Ladies is the title.



Also in one you sing the verse to the A part and the chorus to the B part (and visa versa). I think that Sally Ann tends to be in A and Sail Away Ladies in G.

Great Big Taters in the Sandy Land is also the same tune, or really close.

LyleK - Posted - 11/07/2010:  05:20:19


Great pick Adam! As Erich, points out, long a favorite.

Don't miss the far, far less traditional version from "Blue Moose and the Unbuttoned Zippers" - youtube.com/watch?v=CD-q9eWCLUU
It has great fiddling and nyckelharpa (like I said, not traditional, unless some Uncle Dave 33s made it over to Sweden).

Jeff, if you tune gEADE it definitely works with G tunes. I've got 23 tabs in this tuning at lylewk.home.comcast.net/~lylewk/ and the Feb 4, 2011 TOTW is very likely to be in this tuning.


Edited by - LyleK on 11/07/2010 05:27:39

jojo25 - Posted - 11/07/2010:  07:51:13


Judy wrote,

"Some folks sing, "Don't sheet rock my patio" as a pun instead of "don't you rock 'em daddio." I can never listen to it without singing the sheet rock words."

ditto

someone here at BHO clued me into those alternate words (it may have been Judy, I do not recall) and now it is the only way to go IMHO

jojo25 - Posted - 11/07/2010:  07:55:26


I love this version...it has attitude...kinda like uncle dave, right?

youtube.com/watch?v=BHPPyqqoa_M

OldPappy - Posted - 11/08/2010:  05:16:04


I like Dwight Diller's rendering of this tune. The version on his "Harvest" CD is a bit more refined as for the banjo playing, but the earlier release on his "Hold On" CD, has some mighty fine fiddling, and backup singing, which I think was John Morris.

We had a lot of fun playing and singing this song at Dwight's banjo camp last month.

Couchie - Posted - 11/08/2010:  10:41:29


One of the all time great tunes.

Banjoray - Posted - 01/06/2011:  12:00:57


Can anyone tell me Dan Gellert's tuning for Sail Away Ladies? It was on Banjo Gathering

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