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Nancy - Posted - 07/06/2010: 06:46:45
I wear the big hats...and lots of brim. It's great when the sun gets to you or when it rains.
Note: I often wear the long prairie shirts and blouses and much Indian jewelry. And boots. Rather common out here. For dress, the hat can be the 'Gambler's hat' without the wider brim. I believe it's called the 'southwest look'.
Yes, I live in cowboy country, but before that, Arizona ranchlife was home.
scaggs7 - Posted - 07/06/2010: 07:58:16
Wearing hats when playing helps transfer a fuller sound to the ears
As you get older you will find out it works,
Nancy - Posted - 07/06/2010: 09:36:01
You guys inspired me.
Just ordered a 4 inch brim Gamblers cowboy hat...flat top one, naturally.
Will donate my older Stetson Gambler's hat to the Salvation Army. (along with that danged shop vac that won't suck up much..hate it)
Frisco Fred - Posted - 07/06/2010: 10:57:52
I put on a hat and took a picture for this.
Actually, I nearly always wear a full brim hat since moving to Ag. country. Never worn one in the city.
1 four 5
Those are some very good deals (if you don't mind wearing someone elses hat)
Nancy - Posted - 07/06/2010: 11:05:34
Seems to me that the Salvation will not only get my Stetson, but the older Bailey and Restol as well. I have some that I wear and some that just lay. Somebody will get some nice cowboy hats when I get to the town to donate them. No Salvation Army near here at all. I never roll my brims, so pristine condition. I decided not to wear the pinched one...too tall.
The shop vac? Bought it new at Walmart and it's a pain even to get leaves out of the garage. It's useless for me. Might as well let it go byby.
Edited by - Nancy on 07/06/2010 11:06:16
thkidd - Posted - 07/06/2010: 11:11:08
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Originally posted by Penel
I just assume what ever type of hat a guy wears is one that they think the most amount of people will think is a cultural costume
and not as an attempt to coverup the fact that they're going bald.
How I figure this is because back when guys wore hats because it was a common style they always removed them when entering a house and in the presence of a lady.
Hense, when they leave hats on indoors = bald.
I think this is the reason many of today's country artists wear cowboy hats or ball caps (Tim McGraw, Alan Jackson, Kenny Chesney, etc., and in the past, Ricky Van Shelton, among others).
I wear a hat practically every Saturday, mainly to cover my "bedhead"; no matter how hard I try, it still looks like I just got out of the bed unless I take a shower, which I usually don't do until later on because I'm going to be out working in the yard most of the day.
Frisco Fred - Posted - 07/06/2010: 11:56:04
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Originally posted by Nancy
The shop vac? Bought it new at Walmart and it's a pain even to get leaves out of the garage. It's useless for me. Might as well let it go byby.
Nancy,
You probably already know this but just incase, run it backwards, switch the hose and remove the filter and it becomes a blower.
BTW, I'm not bald and put my hat on inside the house to keep the hair out of my eyes. In terms of ettiquette, re; a previous poster, I know when to remove my hat and don't need anyone telling me when.
Nancy - Posted - 07/06/2010: 11:59:32
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Originally posted by Frisco Fred
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Originally posted by Nancy
The shop vac? Bought it new at Walmart and it's a pain even to get leaves out of the garage. It's useless for me. Might as well let it go byby.
Nancy,
You probably already know this but just incase, run it backwards, switch the hose and remove the filter and it becomes a blower.
BTW, I'm not bald and put my hat on inside the house to keep the hair out of my eyes. In terms of ettiquette, re; a previous poster, I know when to remove my hat and don't need anyone telling me when.
Uh, I forgot about switching the hose. It's only been out of the box twice. I just got tired of it not doing what I wanted it to do.
I have a leaf blower that also is a vac. Never used it as a vac, tho.
Leave it to a woman to do stuff backwards or strange.
Frisco Fred - Posted - 07/06/2010: 12:10:26
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If you can say that, you must be a pretty good woman and a confident one too.
Frisco (who hates militants) Fred
eagleisland - Posted - 07/06/2010: 12:29:33
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Originally posted by 1four5
My favorite place to loo for hats
Y'know, the Goodwill stores around here don't seem to sell hats. And I'm not sure that's a bad idea - wearing someone else's hat sorta strikes me the same as using someone else's toothbrush. Okay in a pinch for the right person, but a total stranger...? Not for me, thanks.
Dcieslin - Posted - 07/06/2010: 13:09:17
It drives my wife crazy when we go to a resturant and some guy is sitting eating with his hat on. She once made the observation that any guy that enters with a nice hat ( fedora, panama, cowboy ) most always removes it before sitting down to eat. She says its always some guy in an old dirty baseball cap that is sitting at the table scarfing down his food and slurping his drink!! Like I said, it drives her crazy!!!!!
Sheldon - Posted - 07/06/2010: 13:13:17
Hats, Hats you say . . . . My hat story:
Went to a Nez Perce gathering to see the dancers.
The costumes were fantastic . . . Their drummers . . . . ALL wearing baseball caps!?!?!?
Sheldon
Nancy - Posted - 07/06/2010: 14:32:14
Face it. Cowboy hats are here to stay and make the guys look very dashing.
They also work quite well for the girls. Keeps off the rain and hot sun.
1four5 - Posted - 07/06/2010: 14:38:08
I'm not shy about admitting that I would buy a Stetson (and my Tony Llama boots too) from Goodwill. I got my Slightly worn cowboy hat for $6 and my Tony Llama boots for $12. After several weeks of use, thay were in the same shape as the same (about $400 worth) new ones would be.
Frisco Fred - Posted - 07/06/2010: 14:46:13
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Originally posted by 1four5
I'm not shy about admitting that I would buy a Stetson (and my Tony Llama boots too) from Goodwill. I got my Slightly worn cowboy hat for $6 and my Tony Llama boots for $12. After several weeks of use, thay were in the same shape as the same (about $400 worth) new ones would be.
If I was sounding elitist....I misspoke
Nancy - Posted - 07/06/2010: 16:13:29
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Originally posted by Frisco Fred
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Originally posted by 1four5
I'm not shy about admitting that I would buy a Stetson (and my Tony Llama boots too) from Goodwill. I got my Slightly worn cowboy hat for $6 and my Tony Llama boots for $12. After several weeks of use, thay were in the same shape as the same (about $400 worth) new ones would be.
If I was sounding elitist....I misspoke
Nah. You done okay. Things come out different than what you mean them sometimes.
1four5 - Posted - 07/06/2010: 16:22:12
Hey no problem! I buy my shirts and pants and jackets and belts, etc. there too. Think about it. If people like something, they will wear it out and throw it away. If they don't, they will wear it a time or two, throw it in the closet, and then every now and then gather the stuff they don't want and go drop it off at Goodwill. Some cleaning, polish, throw it in the washer or whatever, if you think it's funky (I haven't seen anything I would consider nasty yet) and you have decent things to wear and can save hundreds. I've also bought banjos and guitars from Goodwill. My wife used to work for Goodwill and ran the Kansas E-store. Anything "iffy" never made it to the stores and would be sold in locall pallet lots. Clothes considered unsellable were shredded and bundled as rags for industrial use. The cream of the crop stuff makes it to the e-stores where they can get the most exposure and best prices.
Frisco Fred - Posted - 07/06/2010: 16:53:37
You know, now that I think about it, I once bought an L.P. from the Salvation Army, it was Big Tiny Little on the panio. One side was ruined but on the other side........Some super killer rags.
I think that when Big T.L. recorded this alblum, Jerry Lee woke up from a deep sleep with sweat running down his brow, thinking......there's another Elvis coming.
Don't worry Jerry Lee, There's only one of you and nobody likes rags anyway.
Edited by - Frisco Fred on 07/11/2010 20:12:49
Nancy - Posted - 07/07/2010: 07:05:03
Cowboy hats are cool. Yep. They are handy too. If you want to wear one, do so. If not....don't. Choices are good. 
stanleytone - Posted - 07/11/2010: 18:48:26
wow! i never thought id get this much response! kool!
i personally think cowboy hats look good ,but not on everybody.some guys look dorky( me).
and i aint got the least problem with guys wearing cowboy hats in a bluegrass band.
it just always struck me as curious how a hat that was strictly a midwestern/western U.S. cultural thing,became so solidly identified with bluegrass music.
stanger - Posted - 07/12/2010: 08:01:21
The hat Monroe, the Stanleys, Flatt & Scruggs, and many others wore was a John B. Stetson Open Road model. The Open Road is a very old hat style that is still being made, and underwent several changes in crown shape and brim style over the years.
It was called a 'Gentleman's Hat' in the South, a 'Stockman's Hat' in the West, and was very popular all of the country for over 30 years. In the South, it was often seen as a riding hat that topped off the popular jodpher pants with high lace-up riding boots. This costume was both dressy and practical.
The hats worn in those old pics are the old style, with a round crown that have a gentle single center crease. Some came with a pencil rolled brim, while others had a flat brim, turned up at the sides, with a ribbon bound edge. They came in either silver belly, a light buff color, or black. And they cost a lot of money, as they were the best all-beaver felt Stetson offered.
This was the hat Stagerlee shot Billy DeLyons over, and is the same one the old blues men wore. Owning one was a sign that you had made the grade.
The same hat remains very popular in the West, but more commonly seen with the flat brim. In the late 40's, the crown style changed to a 2-crease- you can see the later style in many Flatt & Scruggs pictures.
While the 2-crease w/ the gentle creases remained popular in the South, in other areas, the creases were sharper. President Truman always wore this style, as did Pres. Eisenhower, hundreds of Texas Rangers, and thousands of cowboys.
Cowboys of the old west also favored the Boss of the Plains, the first style Stetson built and the original cowboy hat.
Stetson went to California as a 49'er, and went bust looking for gold, but was trained as a hatter by his father, and made his first Boss for himself- he trapped the beaver and did the whole thing. (and built himself a beaver felt tent, too). A miner bought it off his head, and he made another, which was also sold.
He went back to Philadelphia and went into the hat biz, making only the Boss of the Plains. At the time, high hats were an aging fashion, and the first buyers were big city dandies, but the hat was really designed for shade and warmth, and every cowboy who could afford one bought it. One hat would last 30 years.
In the early 70's, Monroe and all the other senior players went to a new cowboy style that remained highly popular for a couple of decades. This hat had a very high crown, variously creased, with a flat brim slightly larger than the Open Road, but smaller that the Boss, and always turned up at the sides. The Resistol hat co. pioneered the style, and it took over. At the same time, cowboy boots replaced the flat shoes that most bluegrassers wore. It was just a sharper overall style.
Scruggs quit wearing a hat after he and Flatt broke up, and others followed his lead. Don Reno never wore a hat much, and Ralph Stanley quit, but Monroe always wore one, and the conservative cowboy style suits, hats and boots just became the de-rigeur style for a lot of bands.
The connection with the banjo is natural. The old-time cowboys didn't play the guitar much, except in the Southwest. Everywhere else, they played the banjo most, and the banjo-mando secondly.
Here's the later Open Road:
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...and here is a brand-new Boss of the Plains. Stetson quit making it 50 years ago, but it's back again now. This one is made of pure natural buffalo felt.
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regards,
stanger
Edited by - stanger on 07/12/2010 08:03:43
stanger - Posted - 07/12/2010: 08:10:11
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Originally posted by Dcieslin
It drives my wife crazy when we go to a resturant and some guy is sitting eating with his hat on. She once made the observation that any guy that enters with a nice hat ( fedora, panama, cowboy ) most always removes it before sitting down to eat. She says its always some guy in an old dirty baseball cap that is sitting at the table scarfing down his food and slurping his drink!! Like I said, it drives her crazy!!!!!
The problem is restaurants don't have hat racks any more.
When I was a kid, almost all the men wore hats, and every restaurant had either a hat rack or a hat shelf to park your lid, but they're all gone now.
regards,
stanger
stanger - Posted - 07/12/2010: 08:29:52
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Originally posted by stanleytone
wow! i never thought id get this much response! kool!
i personally think cowboy hats look good ,but not on everybody.some guys look dorky( me).
and i aint got the least problem with guys wearing cowboy hats in a bluegrass band.
it just always struck me as curious how a hat that was strictly a midwestern/western U.S. cultural thing,became so solidly identified with bluegrass music.
Hi, stanley...
Not true. All you have to do is find the hat that looks good on you. Take a lady friend along if you have doubts- let her tell you the one that looks most flattering. Women love men in hats these days!
Although I wear one all the time, when I was playing out a lot, I never wore one, because I played lead guitar as much as the banjo, and it was a hassle when switching instruments.
Here's a picture that shows the popular high-brimmed cowboy hats that Monroe favored in his later days. Every cowboy has his own pinch style, so they all look different.
I'm wearing the dark one, Bill Cheatwood (next to me, right) is wearing a sliver belly, and Bill Liles (bass player) is wearing a Tom Mix, one of the Hollywood cowboy styles. Ron Jones (left, guitar), is wearing a brown Resistol. My brother, who always wears a hat except here, is playing a guitar on the far right. John Brannen, on far left, had too much hair to wear a hat.
The hatless drunk biker on the right is actually dancing with his girl, but all you can see of her is her hand. This was back in 1978.
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stanger
Edited by - stanger on 07/12/2010 08:32:53
Hotrodtruck - Posted - 07/12/2010: 08:40:08
Some people wear hats for work, others for decoration.
Farmers here in the south used to wear wide brimmed straw hats in the field. It was to protect from the sun. I'm sure that cowboys wore hats for the same reason. Farmers seem to be wearing more ball caps now. When I travel out west, I see more ball caps there too.
Others have no reason to wear a hat, other than they just like them. Like the guys who work in an office who wear cowboy boots to work. It's not that they need them for work, but that they believe it helps them achieve an image they would like to project.
oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 07/12/2010: 11:49:10
Gene Autry always took off his hat and fiddled with the hatband when he was inside talking to ladies, outside, talking to men he left the hat on and fiddled with his riding gloves. Nervous fingered guy, ol' Gene.
Monroe's early outfit included what I would call a wide brim bowler - ugly hat that made his face look even rounder. The western hat in country music (my first memories are pics of Hank Williams all duded up) seems to come from the honky-tonk era, and I suspect the bluegrass groups just adopted the Stetsons too.
Klondike Waldo - Posted - 07/12/2010: 13:53:30
I've had a Stetson for over 30 years, but I don't wear it playing banjo. I changed the bash and eliminated the side roll a long time ago. I'm short and stout , so with a "Cowboy " hat, I look like a deranged mushroom. The wide brim is excellent for fly fishing, which is where I use it, mostly. My usual hats are either of the medium brimmed felt variety or variations on fisherman caps. For gigs, I'm usually found under a Balmoral bonnet, because most of my gigs are on bagpipes.
Frisco Fred - Posted - 07/12/2010: 14:37:37
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Originally posted by stanger
...and here is a brand-new Boss of the Plains. Stetson quit making it 50 years ago, but it's back again now. This one is made of pure natural buffalo felt.
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regards,
stanger
The hat looks classy.
But it's the bridge on your banjo that caught my eye. Looks small at the fifth string.
It looks like you're holding a Baldwin. Wasn't there some connection between baldwin and Vega during the 60's?
Pardon the hijack.
Back to hats.......I think I have five or six full brim hats.
Edited by - Frisco Fred on 07/12/2010 15:11:23
stringbeaner - Posted - 07/12/2010: 16:43:44
Ol' Stanger can get away with it---------He and his bro grew up on a big working ranch a li'l west of Idaho Falls, Idaho. I do think I remember him gettin' under a welder's
hat and/or a baseball-type lid every now and then.
stanger - Posted - 07/12/2010: 23:17:50
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Originally posted by stringbeaner
Ol' Stanger can get away with it---------He and his bro grew up on a big working ranch a li'l west of Idaho Falls, Idaho. I do think I remember him gettin' under a welder's
hat and/or a baseball-type lid every now and then.
...and Stringbeaner wears a hat well, too- that's him just behind me in the group picture!
I did wear a ball cap in my sign shop a lot. Kept the paint out of my hair, and I'd get them for free.
Frisco...
Baldwin and Vega never had anything to do with each other, except being competitors.
That bridge is an early Beaver King, made by Dave Jack, a member here. Both feet are the same length- it's just the angle of the picture you are seeing.
That pickup I'm standing in front of is a killer! Totally original, and has factory customized engine, tranny, and exhaust. It belongs to a buddy of mine who only takes it out on good days in the summer. 30,000 miles on it, and he's the 3rd owner. The second owner never drove it, and it lay under a tarp in a metal barn for over 30 years. It's a 1954.
regards,
stanger
Edited by - stanger on 07/12/2010 23:25:54
thkidd - Posted - 07/14/2010: 13:48:20
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Originally posted by stanger
Scruggs quit wearing a hat after he and Flatt broke up, and others followed his lead. Don Reno never wore a hat much, and Ralph Stanley quit, but Monroe always wore one, and the conservative cowboy style suits, hats and boots just became the de-rigeur style for a lot of bands.
regards,
stanger
Man, that was an interesting read. I really appreciate you taking the time to share it.
Ralph is wearing a cowboy hat again, but I couldn't tell you what kind. I just saw him on Cumberland Highlanders last night, and he and the rest of the band were wearing them.
I think cowboy hats look really good on some bluegrass groups, but not on everyone. I never liked it when some rolled the brim almost straight up on the sides (such as Jimmy Martin, and many others), but to each his own.
I agree with the comment that anyone who likes cowboy hats needs to try on several (possibly, a lot) in order to find the one that looks best on them. I've tried on a lot that didn't look very good at all, and a few that did. I have two cowboy hats: a felt Stetson and a straw one that I bought at a western store in Texas (can't remember the store's name). I love both, but don't wear them much because they make my head sweat like the dickens (even with the vent holes).
mainejohn - Posted - 07/14/2010: 14:16:50
I lived and worked in WY, UT, CO, and ID for a number of years before I moved back to New England. Turns out that Stanger and I even played at the same venue in Idaho Falls in the 60's, but didn't know that (or each other, for that matter) until we compared notes a couple of years ago, thanks to BHO. Not too long after I moved out there, I figured I had to buy the hat and boots, but always felt like a phony when I wore them. I lost the hat long ago, but still have the boots, now collecting dust in the garage rafters, and would feel like an idiot wearing them in Maine. I've long wondered, though, why musicians in the southeast felt compelled to wear clothes that are more identifiable with the American West, however the "uniform" seems better suited for BG musicians than the C & W singers with their glitzy, sequined outfits.
thkidd - Posted - 07/15/2010: 11:41:10
I finally remembered the name of the western store: Cavender's
O.K., I cheated a little. We're having Vacation Bible School this week at our church, and this year we have a western/cowboy theme (Saddleback Ranch), so a lot of folks have been wearing their hats and boots (there are some extremely ugly hats out there). I'm wearing mine tonight, so I saw the store's name on the bag that I keep it in.
pick it - Posted - 07/15/2010: 14:18:49
did you ever see Lester without his hat except when he done a sacred song?him and Monroe wore a hat because because it was full dress.even today a man can wear a suit but add a hat and it goes to another level of dress.
5stringpicker2 - Posted - 07/15/2010: 19:26:18
Here's a pic of me from the late 70's on my way to a gig in Anchorage, Alaska. We all wore hat's back then. Mine was a 10X Beaver Pencil Roll Brim.
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dlc - Posted - 07/15/2010: 19:54:51
Like David Brenner once said, some people have a "hat face," and some just don't.
Personally, I've almost always worn hats onstage. At least 80% of the time. Lots of different kinds of hats. Like I've said before, they add a distinctive sense of character and flavor to the appearance of the performance; and I absolutely believe the costuming elements afforded by hats help cement a longer-lasting impression on most audiences.
But I agree hats are not for everyone.
bluemule_77 - Posted - 07/15/2010: 21:59:28
What's with 'em? Because I'd look really funny wearing an astronaut helmet in this photo:
The rest of the crew would tease me.
And I sure wish folks'd stop talking about cowboys in the past tense. I know bunches of them and most appear to be in robust health.
Brian
Edited by - bluemule_77 on 07/15/2010 22:01:13
gryphon - Posted - 07/16/2010: 00:29:48
Since this thread has morphed somewhat from the original question, for playing it is a costume.
As for non-playing, hats have their purpose, hence their design. What is inconceivable for me even to this day is that some people wear their hats indoor (performing "in costume" excepted, I suppose). Who in their right mind would wear a hat while eating in a restaurant (or in a home)?
stanger - Posted - 07/16/2010: 04:17:58
I think it all depends on what a person is comfortable wearing.
Like Bluemule, I grew up wearing the cowboy hat, boots, and the other gear usually not seen onstage. Like any profession, cowboys have working outfits and dress outfits. The clothing itself is essentially utilitarian and is a rarity these days in that it's occupation-specific. Look at Bluemule's picture... he's as comfortable in his threads as an office worker is in his Dockers and polo shirt. Both fit the respective jobs.
It's been a long time since I was a full-time working horse wrangler, but you can't take the cowboy out of a person once he's been there. There are still a lot of them here who wear regular dress suits with no hats for church or dress occasions. But around here, no one thinks twice about seeing a guy in a cowboy hat.
I can understand why Mainers would feel uncomfortable wearing a Western get-up. It's not part of their clothing traditions. Same goes with urban folks who have lived in cities all their lives. Playing in something that's viewed by the wearer as a self-conscious costume does no good for the player or the audience, but stage clothes of all kinds serve a purpose- after all, performers WANT to be watched, and if their costume helps their audience remember them in a good way, they serve a good purpose. I don't see much difference between a sequined dinner jacket and a Nudie sequined western jacket- both are stage gear, meant to keep attention on the performer.
My buddy John mentioned the Southern penchant for western wear... Really, if you look at a map of the South, quite a few of the states were once the 'west'. The country just expanded westward. Arkansas, Texas, Missouri, Kansas, W. Ohio, and others all were as western as the far west, and still retain those traditions. The deep South raises far more cattle than the far west, especially Florida and surrounding states.
And the clothing moved around, from east to west, from south to north (and vice versa). Essentially, cowboy clothing is practical country clothing, and the boots are riding boots. The far west has it's quarterhorses, appaloosas and mustangs, and the east has it's walking horses, Morgans, anfd standardbreds. All areas of the country once had it's own traditions of horsemanship. The horses are mostly gone from the lifestyles now, but those traditions live on.
regards,
stanger
bluemule_77 - Posted - 07/16/2010: 05:28:53
I'll add that out here, hats DO come off in houses, restaurants (at the table), etc.
It's true, as Stanger says, there are lots of cattle in the south to include gobs in Florida. Greener, wetter country can fit a lot more cows per unit of land. That's why, here in west TX, southern NM, and other places "out west," ranches are commonly measured in the tens or hundreds of sections. I've worked on places that measure from a tiny few-thousand acres to 250,000 acres +. For those not familiar, most this is range country -- unimproved, non-irrigated, native pasture. A single pasture might be 6500 acres or more and might not have 150 cows in it. The best way to gather cattle out of this kind of country remains horseback -- and the sort of cattle that inhabit such big country are best handled horseback as well. Also, where small land-area operations (though with lots of cows) in wetter country can build a central set of working corrals with stout alleys and chutes and anti-backup gates to allow use of squeeze chutes and calf tables, they maybe can get by fine with 4-wheelers and no horses. Here, driving cattle for days to get them to a central set of corrals would be highly impractical. By using horses, we can work just about anywhere. Any kind of corral will do -- or even just throw them up in a corner and hold them up to sort or rope and drag calves out to the fire (for branding). A cow whose horn is growing into her head can be roped and stretched out (one rope on front feet, one on hind) and the horn sawed off. Lots of stuff that couldn't be done w/o horses and ropes. (There are also plenty of those wetter places and brushy and swampy country where horses get used too -- not disputing that at all!)
This just to say that the job still exists and I know as many cowboys in their teens, twenties, and thirties as I do that are in their 60s, 70s, and 80s.
stanger - Posted - 07/20/2010: 15:50:36
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Originally posted by pick it
did you ever see Lester without his hat except when he done a sacred song?him and Monroe wore a hat because because it was full dress.even today a man can wear a suit but add a hat and it goes to another level of dress.
Yup. That's for sure!
There was a time when that applied to ladies, too... I can remember when a lady didn't feel all dressed up without a hat and a pair of white gloves.
regards,
stanger
Sheldon - Posted - 07/20/2010: 18:16:00
White gloves . . . . . White gloves . . . . . Don't go there!?!?!?
Sheldon
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