cashwo_wv - Posted - 05/13/2010:  14:41:46

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For this week’s TOTW, I chose “Waynesboro,” which is a West Virginia favorite.  From my understanding, it originated with the Hammons family, from Pocahontas County, WV, which is near Waynesboro, VA.  I don’t know if there is a genuine connection, but I find it interesting.  While apprenticing under Franklin George, he told me that the tune came from an Irish tune called “Over The Moor To Maggie,” which is exactly the same, except that it has a third part.  I really love this tune as it is, but there’s something about adding this third part that takes it to another place. 

For the Hammons connection, the tune can be found on Edden Hammons Collection Volume 1. Other musicians who have studied with the Hammons have also recorded it.

Frank George starts to talk about this a little less than half way through this video.
youtube.com/watch?v=bDpte35we4Y

The Bing Brothers – Just For The Sake Of It
Dwight Diller – Just Banjo
Dwight Diller – Harvest
Dwight Diller – Piney Woods
Dave Bing and Dwight Diller – In England

my rendition
banjohangout.org/myhangout/med...archived=

Youtube – Over The Moor To Maggie
youtube.com/watch?v=WtpEeERaC2k
youtube.com/watch?v=hffW49viWv8

Wiki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahont..._Virginia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waynesboro,_Virginia
thesession.org/tunes/display/115

Just my two cents and I wanted to share it.

Enjoy,
Chad

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Edited by - cashwo_wv on 05/16/2010 12:09:08

oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 05/13/2010:  15:29:12

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Waynesboro was also recorded commercially by Doc Roberts in the 78 era, and we have a recording by a man with the last name "Hannah" on a West Virginia LOC Field recording - probably from the 30s or 40s.

And thanks for the "Over the Moor to Maggie" lead. I love 3 parters.

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Edited by - oldwoodchuckb on 05/13/2010 15:30:47

jojo25 - Posted - 05/13/2010:  18:20:29

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nice pick Chad...and I second OWC's shout out for the 3 parter.

I love to play this tune slowish and get a nice lopey feel

jojo25 - Posted - 05/13/2010:  18:31:22

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here's an interesting link to Over the Moor to Maggie...with an intro in gaelic and on the irish harp no less

youtube.com/watch?v=7fqMTYK6hY...e=related

RaiseTheHatchet - Posted - 05/13/2010:  19:07:02

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You can find tabs on Dwight Diller's & Mike Iverson's pages if anyone's interested:

dwightdiller.com/tab/images/Waynesboro.gif
bluesageband.com/Tab%20pdf%20f...sboro.pdf

robmac07 - Posted - 05/13/2010:  19:50:10

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Thanks for the info on Waynesboro, one of my favourite tunes. Nicely played, Chad.
Been playing it for a while in clawhammer style myself
Sounds like it comes from the County Clare area where my ancestors came to Australia from.
Over the Moor to Maggie definitely is the tune with the nice little 3rd part added.
Cheers
Rob McCarthy

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 05/13/2010:  21:40:36

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I have been listening to Alan Jabbour and Ken Perlman's version for a few years (SouthernSummits album). I like the tempo they use.

Another version available is Chance McCoy and the Appalachian String Band, with Adam Hurt on banjo. It is bouncier and faster, and a wonderful version. However, I think a slower version is what should be played (maybe I am envious because I cannot play it that fast!) - but there is no "Celtic lilt" in this version.

It is a G tune, but more fun to play in double D tuning with g on the fifth than open G - try it and see if you like it in tuning better than standard G.

LyleK - Posted - 05/14/2010:  02:59:09

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Great pick, Chad. This is also known as "Ladies in the Ballroom," which is how I first learned it (so I call it that on banjo and "Waynesboro" on fiddle, just to confuse the issue). It is the first tune in a medley of five "Old G" (gDGDE) tunes I recorded a couple of years ago ( banjohangout.org/myhangout/med...archived= ). I've had the tab at lylewk.home.comcast.net/~lylewk/ for a while, but "in honor" of the TOTW have uploaded it to BHO as well.

PDF: hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...52010.pdf

Tabledit: hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...52010.tef

P.S. - and gDGDE is just one string away from Judy's recommendation of gDADE. Just for fun, I'll try to covert my tab to that tuning.

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Edited by - LyleK on 05/14/2010 03:06:09

tfaux - Posted - 05/14/2010:  04:28:44

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Weird. I've known both of those tunes for years and never thought of them as the same. The mind is a baffling thing.

Here (from "Old Time Kentucky Fiddle Tunes") is Jeff Titon's transcription of Clyde Davenport's "Ladies in the Ballroom," with that odd 5-beat A section phrase that Lyle captured:

books.google.com/books?id=mmbq...e&f=false

Thanks for posting this one.

Tom

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Edited by - tfaux on 05/15/2010 13:14:14

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 05/14/2010:  07:37:13

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Originally posted by LyleK

Great pick, Chad. This is also known as "Ladies in the Ballroom," which is how I first learned it (so I call it that on banjo and "Waynesboro" on fiddle, just to confuse the issue). It is the first tune in a medley of five "Old G" (gDGDE) tunes I recorded a couple of years ago ( banjohangout.org/myhangout/med...archived= ). I've had the tab at lylewk.home.comcast.net/~lylewk/ for a while, but "in honor" of the TOTW have uploaded it to BHO as well.

PDF: hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...52010.pdf

Tabledit: hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...52010.tef

P.S. - and gDGDE is just one string away from Judy's recommendation of gDADE. Just for fun, I'll try to covert my tab to that tuning.

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You know what is odd to me, Kyle, is that Wayne Shrusbsall really likes the gDGDE tuning and I've been avoiding using it. So now that the TOTW has "WAYNE" in its name, I will honor him and play it in the tuning he and you suggest and see what comes of it.

ANY VOLUNTEERS for more TOTW - you know where to find me - inquiry@siliconheights.com.

whyteman - Posted - 05/14/2010:  11:38:55

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On Mike Seeger's old "Fresh Oldtime" Cd, Mike and Jabbour play a cut called "Billy in Waynesboro" where Waynesboro slowly morphs/evolves into Henry Reed's Billy in the Low Ground. This not a medley, but a 'transformation", and against all odds, it works!

Don.