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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: TOTW 2/23/10 "Bob Taylor's March"


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banjoholic - Posted - 04/23/2010:  09:25:35


From Fiddlin' Bob Taylor of Tennessee comes this tune of the week. I'm particularly fond of this tune for several reasons:

1. It's a beautiful melody. In fact, I teared up a bit the first time I heard it (though this is strictly between you and me. If my wife asks, the official story is there was dust in my eyes, okay?). This was also likely in part due to the fact that I had just read an endearing tribute to Will Keys by Chip Arnold. Will had recently passed away at the time, and according to Chip this was one of his favorite tunes.

2. I'm a sucker for a good waltz. A lot of old-time banjoists, particularly clawhammerists, tend to shy away from anything out of 4/4 time. But clawhammering waltzes can be lots of fun. And they're always crowd pleasers, as most everyone else seems to be a sucker for a good waltz as well.

3. In spite of the fact that it technically is a waltz, it still boldly and unapologetically calls itself a "march". And even though we may all know it's technically a waltz, we aint changing the name no how! So how bout them apples, Mr. Classical Music snob?!

4. It brought into my awareness Will Keys, who is now one of my favorite banjoists. If you want to hear pure joy and humility conveyed through the banjo, listen to Will. I don't know how he does it. So I can't help but smile now when I play this tune.

The tune is in the key of D, in "double D" tuning.

Here's some interesting history about Bob Taylor and this tune, courtesy of the Fiddler's Companion:

"The melody comes from Bob Taylor, who, along with his brother Alf, was both a fiddler and a Governor of Tennessee. The brothers, who belonged to different parties, were friendly rivals and would even share a bed while out campaigning against each other (they were each in office at different times). The Taylor vs. Taylor campaign of 1886 was so amicable, in fact, that it was called “The War of the Roses.” Bob Taylor’s original name for the tune may have been “Streaking Old Fiddle,” a favorite tune of his."

And here's a link to the version of it by BHO's own Chip Arnold - the one that moved me to tears (there really was an insane amount of dust!), along with a great write-up about Will and this tune. Click on the little speaker icon to hear the tune:

oldtimeherald.org/archive/back...shop.html

And while I do enjoy fingerpicking this one, there's certainly no improving upon Chip's version. So here's my clawhammerized rendition (along with a backup guitar track):

banjohangout.org/myhangout/med...archived=

So this one is for Will, Chip, and Bob. Enjoy!

Josh

Chip has been kind enough to post his 2 finger tab on his photo page here:
banjohangout.org/myhangout/pho...albumid=0


Edited by - banjoholic on 04/24/2010 05:35:43

jamesd - Posted - 04/23/2010:  10:15:01


Well, Banjoholic you certainly picked a beautiful tune for this weeks TOTW.

Chips version is great and yours also sounds great. I have never attempted a waltz and do not think I could improve on either version. Good pick.........

James

chip arnold - Posted - 04/23/2010:  16:37:55


This is a beautiful old tune and Josh has really done it proud. I'll look later and see if I have tabbed this one out. I play an "inverted" variation with the coarse part played high and the fine part played low.

chip arnold - Posted - 04/23/2010:  16:46:05


Tab added to my photo page. Two pages. This is 2-finger tab and there are a few places in the tab where I have the finger crossing up over the thumb. Just leave out that note or substitute something else that sounds good to you. Otherwise, the tab can be played c'hammer style without difficulty.

dbrooks - Posted - 04/23/2010:  16:54:47


As a lover of waltzes on the banjo, I have to say this is a fine waltz well played by both Banjoholic and Chip. Just lovely.

David

chip arnold - Posted - 04/23/2010:  18:35:48


I have to say that Josh's playing of this tune is the closest I've ever heard a c'hammer player come to Will's playing. Just wonderful.

banjoholic - Posted - 04/23/2010:  19:27:47


Man, Chip, that's twice now you've done it to me (sure is dusty in here :). Thanks for that.

And thanks so much for posting the tab!

ScottK - Posted - 04/23/2010:  19:31:49


Beutiful tune and fine picking all the way around! Thanks!

Scott

Tamarack - Posted - 04/24/2010:  06:27:37


A lovely tune well played. Good to have another waltz floating around my head.


chip arnold - Posted - 04/24/2010:  06:36:17


Anyone unfamiliar with Will Keys can visit his website here: willkeys.com/screen2/index.html

gailg64 - Posted - 04/24/2010:  07:11:35


Great tune & wonderful playing, Josh!
This is one that Charlie Acuff, also of Tennessee, fiddles a slightly different version of. Charlie has been in very poor health of late, so send him out your well-wishes.

Am uploading a version of Bob Taylor's March we recorded a couple of years ago (out-take from CD)--fiddle, banjo & guitar. It's closer to Charlie's version & the banjo is 2 finger though more of a backup style than Will Keys'/Chip Arnold's beautiful full melodic version.
Gail

quote:
Originally posted by banjoholic

From Fiddlin' Bob Taylor of Tennessee comes this tune of the week. I'm particularly fond of this tune for several reasons:

1. It's a beautiful melody. In fact, I teared up a bit the first time I heard it (though this is strictly between you and me. If my wife asks, the official story is there was dust in my eyes, okay?). This was also likely in part due to the fact that I had just read an endearing tribute to Will Keys by Chip Arnold. Will had recently passed away at the time, and according to Chip this was one of his favorite tunes.

2. I'm a sucker for a good waltz. A lot of old-time banjoists, particularly clawhammerists, tend to shy away from anything out of 4/4 time. But clawhammering waltzes can be lots of fun. And they're always crowd pleasers, as most everyone else seems to be a sucker for a good waltz as well.

3. In spite of the fact that it technically is a waltz, it still boldly and unapologetically calls itself a "march". And even though we may all know it's technically a waltz, we aint changing the name no how! So how bout them apples, Mr. Classical Music snob?!

4. It brought into my awareness Will Keys, who is now one of my favorite banjoists. If you want to hear pure joy and humility conveyed through the banjo, listen to Will. I don't know how he does it. So I can't help but smile now when I play this tune.

The tune is in the key of D, in "double D" tuning.

Here's some interesting history about Bob Taylor and this tune, courtesy of the Fiddler's Companion:

"The melody comes from Bob Taylor, who, along with his brother Alf, was both a fiddler and a Governor of Tennessee. The brothers, who belonged to different parties, were friendly rivals and would even share a bed while out campaigning against each other (they were each in office at different times). The Taylor vs. Taylor campaign of 1886 was so amicable, in fact, that it was called “The War of the Roses.” Bob Taylor’s original name for the tune may have been “Streaking Old Fiddle,” a favorite tune of his."

And here's a link to the version of it by BHO's own Chip Arnold - the one that moved me to tears (there really was an insane amount of dust!), along with a great write-up about Will and this tune. Click on the little speaker icon to hear the tune:

oldtimeherald.org/archive/back...shop.html

And while I do enjoy fingerpicking this one, there's certainly no improving upon Chip's version. So here's my clawhammerized rendition (along with a backup guitar track):

banjohangout.org/myhangout/med...archived=

So this one is for Will, Chip, and Bob. Enjoy!

Josh

Chip has been kind enough to post his 2 finger tab on his photo page here:
banjohangout.org/myhangout/pho...albumid=0



BANJOJUDY - Posted - 04/24/2010:  10:58:28


Love that tune! I was not familiar with it, but now I cannot stop humming it.

Gail - that's 2 you've uploaded for TOTW recently. Thanks for the contributions.

Don't we all just love this weekly discussion?

Judy

banjoholic - Posted - 04/24/2010:  12:09:36


That's great, Gail! So cool to hear a different version of this tune. Very nice.

Judy - it's nice when a tune you actually enjoy gets stuck in your head!

Kitt - Posted - 04/24/2010:  16:01:39


quote:
Originally posted by chip arnold

I have to say that Josh's playing of this tune is the closest I've ever heard a c'hammer player come to Will's playing. Just wonderful.



I don't have the exposure that Chip does to all of them who've played it before, but just a few notes into Josh's clawhammer version I was really surprised at how clean and tuneful Josh's rendition was after having listened to the up picking version. Josh does a wonderful job of reproducing, with heart, what he had heard.

chip arnold - Posted - 04/24/2010:  18:16:25


And he's set a fine example for all the c'hammerers who shy away from 3/4 time.

banjoholic - Posted - 04/24/2010:  18:54:39


You guys are too kind. Much appreciated!

Nothing like a good tune to make you look good

WGE - Posted - 04/25/2010:  03:28:33


With its Tennessee connections, the Nashville String Band folks like this one. I am just now in the process of learning it. Indeed, clawhammering 3/4 time is interesting but it can be done. I surprised myself at being able to largely sightread this tune from the fiddle notation. I need to develop that skill more fully.

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