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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: TUNE OF THE WEEK: Nancy (AKA Fair Morning Hornpipe


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J-Walk - Posted - 07/26/2008:  22:06:53


This is an idea that might fizzle out. Or it might become a regular thing. I suggested it in a different thread. and a few others liked the idea. Basically... someone makes a post every week (or so) about a particular old time tune, with the topic preceded by TUNE OF THE WEEK. They post whatever they know about that tune, and then others chime in.
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So this is the first one, and the tune is "Nancy."

I first heard this tune on YouTube, performed by Annie & Mac. They note: "This tune was written in the 1920's by piper Tom Clough in England." For me, it was love at first listen. He's playing it in Double D tuning.

I was curious about its origins. I found a version by Northumbrian Small Pipes. Yep, same tune. I'm not a huge fan of that style, but it was interesting to hear it.

Then a bit later, I was listening to Adam Hurt's Insight CD, and heard the same (or very similar) tune called "Fair Morning Hornpipe." He (and Jarred Nutter on fiddle) does it much faster.

Then I found another post at YouTube by FukudaBanjo. He plays it in double C, and credits Ken Perlman for the tune.

I've been working on this tune for many months, and I have it memorized completely. In other words, I can play it in my head perfectly. Some day, I'll be able to play it on the banjo perfectly at speed. I'm close, but I think I need to play it about 50 more times.

A few weeks ago, I gave this tune to a fiddler buddy. He learned it, but we've never worked on it together. But we will. He sent it to one of his banjo buddies, and his banjo buddy turned me on to a version by West Virginia Fiddler Wilson Douglas (he calls it Fair Morning Hornpipe). And that's my favorite version of them all.

I'm not sure what it is about this tune that attracts me. But I really do like it. It's just a simple AABB tune, nothing complicated about it.

So, what do you know about Nancy (AKA Fair Morning Hornpipe)?

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And that concludes the first BHO Oldtime TUNE OF THE WEEK. If you like this idea, post another one next weekend.


Edited by - J-Walk on 07/26/2008 22:09:01

Penchaser - Posted - 07/26/2008:  22:32:03


Is there a tabbed out version available?

Bill Rogers - Posted - 07/26/2008:  22:54:53


Zepp has it linked on his BHO sound page--and there's his YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6iu...feature=user

Bill

J-Walk - Posted - 07/26/2008:  23:03:09


Thanks Bill.

How did I mess Zepp's video? I thought I'd seen 'em all.

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 07/27/2008:  06:17:37


Great minds must think alike, Jaywalk!

Zepp's video on YouTube was uploaded on July 18th...just a few days ago. That's probably why you missed it.

I observed FukudaBanjo on YouTube. Yes, he does play it (Nancy) in double C, and credits Ken Perlman for the tune. But if you look at Ken's tab in the Melodic Clawhammer Banjo book (page 58) that FukudaBanjo credits, it is capoed up two frets to double D which appears to be the standard tuning for this one.

I was recently introduced to this by my friend, Yigal Zan, who is a fabulous melodic player. I will try and get a video of him playing Nancy (aka Morning Fair Hornpipe). Yigal calls it Morning Fair Hornpipe. If I can get the video, I will upload it to YouTube (there is one there of Yigal Zan playing - check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mpQcUHy5lk playing West Virginia Gals.

I currently have two mp3 versions stored on my computer, and my favorite is by Jake Krack on fiddle with the Whoopin' Hollar String Band. I am unsure who is playing banjo on the cut, but the speed is just right....not too fast. The other mp3 I have is by Adam Hurt.

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Edited by - BANJOJUDY on 07/27/2008 11:12:35

Alan Butterfield - Posted - 07/27/2008:  09:00:55


Nancy is one of my favorite tunes - it better be, since it's my wifes name! I learned it from Zepp's mp3 page, and then got some pointers on it from him on one of my trips to his store a few years ago.

I think Howie Bursen is responsible for turning this into a banjo tune. According to Melodic Clawhammer Banjo, and liner notes to Reed Martin's "Old Time Banjo", both Ken Perlman and Reed Martin learned it from Howie.

Recorded versions I'm aware of include Reed Martin, Zepp (mp3 and youtube video), and Ken Perlman's Live in the UK cd. Mark Johnson (not the Clawgrass one) has a beatiful take on it on his nowhere radio page - or at least he used to.

I think Fair Morning Hornpipe is very similar to Nancy, and may be based on it. FMH follows the same melodic contour, with some additional scale notes in the A part. I'm sure Adam Hurt could verify...

Alan

raybob - Posted - 07/27/2008:  09:25:04


Fair Morning Hornpipe is also on the Pegramjam site.

http://www.pegramjam.com/tunes/Fair...Hornpipe.mp3

I think the 'tune-a-week' idea is a good one. Might be hard to keep up sometimes, but we're going to be exposed to a bunch of good tunes. Thanks J-Walk.

Ray

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." --G. Santayana

Bill Rogers - Posted - 07/27/2008:  10:56:55


Are there two distinct tunes--"Fair Morning Hornpipe" and "Morning Fair Hornpipe?" I've seen such title inversions for different tunes before.

Bill

ScottK - Posted - 07/28/2008:  07:46:02


I like "Nancy" a lot, too. I learned it from Ken Perlman's "Melodic Clawhammer Banjo" book a couple years ago after one of my banjo buddies started playing it. I don't play it that often, though, because none of the fiddlers around here play it. "Petronella" is another one I like that I learned around the same time from the same book, but don't play often because the only fiddler I used to play it with stopped coming to jams.

Regarding "Fair Morning Hornpipe", when Adam Hurt did a West Virginia fiddle tunes workshop here last fall he said he learned it from Bobby Taylor who had in turn learned it from Wilson Douglas.

Regarding Reed Martin, he's performing a house concert at my place here in Portland, Oregon on Thursday Sept 4 before heading up to Port Townsend to teach at American Banjo Camp Sept 5-7. Folks can shoot me an email if interested in attending.

Scott

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 07/28/2008:  08:45:51


quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

Are there two distinct tunes--"Fair Morning Hornpipe" and "Morning Fair Hornpipe?" I've seen such title inversions for different tunes before.

Bill



I believe there are two distinct tunes with titles Fair Morning and Morning Fair. I will get some clips up later this week - have to make some recordings.

In addition to learning to play a new tune a week (thanks once again to J-Walk for th eidea), we are learning much about that tune and its variations and history.

Do we post the next tune of a week on a new thread such as Tune of the Week for August 2 or continue on this site? Is there no limit to the size of a thread? What do you all want to do?

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slabounty - Posted - 07/28/2008:  09:17:57


quote:
Originally posted by BANJOJUDY



Do we post the next tune of a week on a new thread such as Tune of the Week for August 2 or continue on this site? Is there no limit to the size of a thread? What do you all want to do?



I'd suggest a new topic for each tune to make it easier to find things.


Scott LaBounty
Orange, CA

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 07/28/2008:  17:04:44


I like having the name of the tune in the title the way J-Walk did the tune of the week this week.

So are we all in agreement that a new topic per week would be in order to introduct a new tune?

If that is the case, how do we avoid several people posting a tune of the week on the same week?

Judy


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BANJOJUDY - Posted - 07/28/2008:  17:11:45


In case anyone wants to hear Morning Fair (as opposed to Fair Morning), I just uploaded a "raw" version of Yigal Zan playing - not his best endeavor, but you'll get to hear the tune.

If you get to my homepage, just look for the music files and it will be there.

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Edited by - BANJOJUDY on 07/28/2008 21:18:42

J-Walk - Posted - 07/29/2008:  17:48:51


I forgot to mention another version of "Nancy" that I have. It's by Joe MacLean on a CD called "The Art of Traditional Fiddle." Joe play fiddle with a piano backing. I don't know how I forgot it. It's the one I play along with on a semi-regular basis.

For the record, I hereby appoint Banjo Judy as the next TUNE OF THE WEEK person.

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Regarding Reed Martin, he's performing a house concert at my place here in Portland, Oregon on Thursday Sept 4


Dang! I picked the wrong time to not live in Portland. I lived there for a brief unemployed period after my grad school days in the early '80s. Back then, my musical interests were very different. I used to hang out at a jazz bar downtown.

ScottK - Posted - 07/29/2008:  18:25:11


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Dang! I picked the wrong time to not live in Portland. I lived there for a brief unemployed period after my grad school days in the early '80s. Back then, my musical interests were very different. I used to hang out at a jazz bar downtown.

That might have been either the Jazz Quarry or Jazz De Opus. I moved up here around '84 and used to hang out at both of those clubs, but both are sadly gone now. There's still a lot of jazz, though.

I almost had a fiddler to play "Nancy" with. Since this thread had brought "Nancy" to mind, I was sitting in the kitchen playing it last night and my 19 year old Irish trad fiddling son started playing along (he picks up tunes pretty fast). But he's headed back to school in Limerick, Ireland, tomorrow so I'm back on my own with Nancy.

Scott

banjo_brad - Posted - 07/29/2008:  18:33:49


Well, Nancy's not a bad gal to be alone with, Scott!

Brad
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J-Walk - Posted - 07/29/2008:  19:22:32


Jazz Quarry it was!

RWJones1970 - Posted - 07/29/2008:  19:55:05


Hey J-Walk what a great idea you came up with. We could all learn the origins and interesting details of so many old tunes......keep it rolling forward !

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 07/29/2008:  21:21:14


I will dutifully post a TUNE OF THE WEEK this weekend as a new topic.

I suggest that whoever does the Tune of the Week select the person to do the next week so the burden of selecting a tune does not fall on the same folks.

I also suggest if someone wants to do the tune next week to email me privately.

How's that sound, foks?

Judy

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ScottK - Posted - 07/29/2008:  23:32:08


True enough, Brad!

lori nitzel - Posted - 08/26/2008:  16:41:13


Just catching up with the tune of the week threads... :)

I learned this song when I was going thru Ken Perlman's book. It's lovely. After listening to Mac's version on youtube, though (thanks for posting it J-walk!), I think I like it better...it might be just a bit more note-y than Ken's...?

Best,
Lori Nitzel
Fort Collins, CO

onaroll - Posted - 09/01/2008:  05:51:59


Mark Johnson performs my favourite version of 'Nancy' here:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...dID=99659967
Please be sure to ckick on 'Nancy' in the player.

I sure like the 'tune of the week' idea and hope it doesn't fizzle out.

Enjoy

Kathryn

Bill - Posted - 09/01/2008:  07:47:45


Howie indeed plays a beautiful version of Nancy. And if you're in love with that tune, I bet you'll also enjoy Howie's "Maya's Bounce," a tune he wrote for his daughter and recorded on his Banjo Manikin album. I sometimes jump from one to the other by accident when I play -- they're not identical tunes, but my hands get into a pattern and the jump just happens.

By the way, you ought to buy Banjo Manikin if you don't own it. Howie is extraordinary.

Bill


Edited by - Bill on 09/01/2008 07:51:20

Don Borchelt - Posted - 09/01/2008:  09:33:24


I learned Nancy from Boston area banjo picker Linda Abrams, who plays in a really terrific group called Blue Parrot. I think she got it from Ken Perlman. One of the variations uses a series of tripletts that are a real challenge for my middle-aged fingers. I play the tune in open D tuning, but I'm finger picking.


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fernando - Posted - 10/08/2008:  23:25:21


I love that tune as well, mesmerizing!
I'm working on it already. I discover it here, great idea the tune of the week.
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Dave Arthur - Posted - 11/23/2008:  16:00:49


Hi Guys, We (Rattle On the Stovepipe) also recorded Nancy/Nancy Clough a couple of years ago on our CD '8 More Miles' Wildgoose Records, with clawhammer banjo, fiddle and guitar, using some of Tom Clough's original variations on the tune. You can check it out at my Banjo hangout site at 'Dave Arthur'. We now do it with two banjos and fiddle, and might re-record it on a future album. Our new album is due out early next year.

Wishing you all that's best, Dave Arthur (Rattle On the Stovepipe String Band)

Dave Arthur

J-Walk - Posted - 11/24/2008:  10:38:31


That is very fine, Dave. Thanks for posting it.

Mark Johnson - Posted - 11/24/2008:  11:21:07


Neat! I wasn't on the BHO much back when this thread was started, but now that it has popped up in the active topics, I can't resist.

This is easily one of my all-time favorite tunes. I vaguely recall Ken P. telling that, shortly after hearing Howie B. play Nancy, every banjo player ran off to try to learn it. I believe the story because I had the same experience. I first heard it from Zepp, and was so mesmerized by the tune that I had it memorized after a single hearing. I went home from his shop that day and spent the rest of the evening learning Nancy. To this day when I pick up a banjo in double-C there is a very high likelihood that I'm about to play Nancy. It's just such a good tune!

Dave: a very fine version indeed. Thanks!

Thanks also to Kathryn and Alan for their kind words on my version.

Mark

banjoholic - Posted - 11/24/2008:  11:23:57


I'm the same way, Mark. If I absent mindedly pick up my banjo tuned double C (or D), chances are Nancy is gonna come out first. Weird how certain tunes are like that.

LyleK - Posted - 12/08/2008:  18:22:31


So I'm a bit behind the times. I finally posted "Nancy" here:

http://www.banjohangout.org/myhango...usicid=10806

What took me so long? I wanted to do Nancy, Fair Morning Hornpipe, Morning Fair Hornpipe, and Morpeth Rant all together. Incidentally, my "Nancy" is not from the tab in KP's Melodic Clawhammer book. I started from an "abc" music notation for the tune. Fair Morning is from listening to Adam Hurt's recording of this (many, many times). Morning Fair is from Ryan's Mammoth Collection, and Morpeth Rant is from playing this one for 25+ years (so I don't really know where it came from at this point).

LyleK
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abousall - Posted - 04/10/2009:  10:38:26


Having a little trouble with the B part. Anyone know of any tab posted on the net for Nancy?

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