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Oct 18, 2026 - 10:45:06 AM

mblee

Canada

3 posts since 10/18/2026

I have a lefty Gold Tone banjo that I rarely play and couldn't recall which model it was. I took the back off and found out it was an OB 250. I noticed there was a Helix sticker on the tone ring with an additional sticker marked Omega Rose #002. Does anyone have insight on these tone rings? Do they have any value?

I also have the original tone ring but didn't think much about it when I purchased it used a decade ago. I have the hard shell case and the banjo has the sliding 5th string capo. Looking for a gauge on what to price this for as I have no real idea other than what I paid a decade ago.

Edited by - mblee on 10/18/2026 10:51:17

Oct 18, 2026 - 1:49:22 PM
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17788 posts since 6/2/2008

Was the sticker on the tone ring or the wood rim?

Larry Hill (Hangout handle "Helix") makes Helix stave rims (vertically oriented blocks). He's also a Gold Tone dealer and has written often about doing rim swaps in Gold Tone banjos.

He's in Sun City, Arizona.

Oct 18, 2026 - 4:54:45 PM

mblee

Canada

3 posts since 10/18/2026

Oct 18, 2026 - 5:24:30 PM

Helix

USA

17771 posts since 8/30/2006

Friendly correction:

I never made any vertical stave rims. I was a Recording King dealer, never was a Gold Tone dealer.
All of my rims are cut on a 45 degree bias.
You can see the angled grain clearly in the photo.  Confusion comes from the wooden rim called a tone ring
The rim shown is indeed mine from red oak and it is the #002. It has a rolled brass flatbar tone ring @
1/8” x 1/2”
It’s interesting and fun to see a bulletproof rim from 2008. The Hickory with the red stripe is Alpha #002, the Oaks are the Omegas.






Edited by - Helix on 10/18/2026 17:32:24

Oct 18, 2026 - 6:24:33 PM
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17788 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Helix

I never made any vertical stave rims.


I thought sure I saw that term used in connection with your rims. Obviously I misremembered.

But this is the only place I would have seen "stave rims" so it must have been in connection with someone else's design or someone else used the term to describe the concept.

Oct 18, 2026 - 10:08:50 PM

Helix

USA

17771 posts since 8/30/2006

A vertical stave rim is exceedingly weak and prone to splitting.
Horizontal block are what are commonly used in what I refer to as brick rims which also have intrinsic weaknesses and inherent flaws.

The old stockades sometimes were built with angled staves.
The Helix type rim is 75% solid wood and mount the neck through solid blocks.
The angled pieces that I use naturally bond the fibers tighter and allow the end grain to contact the tone ring directly. I discovered this innovation myself and have been playing them on stage since before 2007. Next year I will renew the (TM) trademark for the second time.

We all want what works, it’s nice to see one of the Oaks surface after eight years.


Oct 19, 2026 - 6:18:11 AM

mblee

Canada

3 posts since 10/18/2026

Thanks for chiming in! Cool to hear some details about it.

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