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Oct 5, 2026 - 5:56:21 PM
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Kenneyb

Canada

1 posts since 10/4/2026

I am interested in finding more out about this 5 string fretless. It has a beautiful walnut (I think) neck with nice inlay. The body is very unique. The tension screws are on the inside of the body and the outside is nicely engraved. From my research there is not much info out there but believe it is a George Mathews. Does it have any value and would you recommend fiction pegs or geared?
Thanks for your time!










 

Oct 5, 2026 - 6:04:17 PM

390 posts since 12/19/2017

I don't know the maker but judging by the age it's probably friction pegs and don't use metal strings. Nylon or gut strings for a banjo from this era. I sure would love to hear it playing. Figure things out and post a sound bite for everyone to enjoy.

Oct 5, 2026 - 7:09:04 PM
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lapsteel

Canada

1181 posts since 8/13/2015

What is printed on the back of the peghead? Would you take a closeup photo of it please?
Thank you for your consideration.

Oct 5, 2026 - 10:26:46 PM

ALCO

UK

92 posts since 11/30/2023

Hi Brian,
Please do not use anything other than friction pegs. It is entirely possible that you could find an original set, or a very similar set. As Chip said, don't use metal strings. If you click on Forums and then Groups, you'll find the George P. Matthew Research Group; make contact with people that are knowledgeable about Matthew's banjos. 

Edited by - ALCO on 10/05/2026 22:35:30

Oct 5, 2026 - 11:19:52 PM

ALCO

UK

92 posts since 11/30/2023

It definitely has value from an historical perspective, if restored to near original condition and used to play what is currently called the 'classic banjo' repertory.

Oct 5, 2026 - 11:35:28 PM

2215 posts since 4/25/2007

Very interesting and rare Matthew. I have only seen one other with that style of rim. As Ian says well worth restoring.

Oct 6, 2026 - 2:59:29 AM

EEB

UK

432 posts since 12/2/2025

Restored this will be a fine banjo, and a rare survivor.

The neck pattern is familiar. Steve has seen one example of this rim pattern; I haven’t seen one at all. This is the first example for me. The Star banjo mark was a trade name that Matthew used. The fun part, and what I suggest you do first, is look at the reverse of the perch pole. Matthew practice was to stamp the back of the pole with his maker’s mark and a full serial number. The number visible on the top of the pole and/or rim is typically the last three digits of the serial number.

That makes me curious that the number we can see is only two digits.

I love that ‘new’ information continues to come to light like ships emerging from the mist. Thank you for sharing the photos.

Edited by - EEB on 10/06/2026 03:02:42

Oct 6, 2026 - 3:10 AM

EEB

UK

432 posts since 12/2/2025

As Ian advised above, please don’t fit modern tuners. That would diminish value by compromising the original build. Violin-style friction pegs were the original design. Reference for Matthew pattern pegs can be seen on the Matthew research group page. The peg holes may need attention as they don’t look in great shape but can be repaired and correct taper fit restored. Properly-fitted friction pegs function perfectly with gut or nylon strings.

Edited by - EEB on 10/06/2026 03:14:15

Oct 6, 2026 - 5:07:27 AM

2215 posts since 4/25/2007

quote:
Originally posted by EEB

Restored this will be a fine banjo, and a rare survivor.

The neck pattern is familiar. Steve has seen one example of this rim pattern; I haven’t seen one at all. This is the first example for me. The Star banjo mark was a trade name that Matthew used. The fun part, and what I suggest you do first, is look at the reverse of the perch pole. Matthew practice was to stamp the back of the pole with his maker’s mark and a full serial number. The number visible on the top of the pole and/or rim is typically the last three digits of the serial number.

That makes me curious that the number we can see is only two digits.

I love that ‘new’ information continues to come to light like ships emerging from the mist. Thank you for sharing the photos.


Hi Mike. Perhaps you don't recall but I sent you a photo of another back in November 23. A friend of Jim Bollman had one and was trying to identify it.  The Muddiman plate is certainly of interest. 


Oct 6, 2026 - 5:57:18 AM

EEB

UK

432 posts since 12/2/2025

Thanks for the reminder Steve. I will have filed the photos you sent me. I’ll take a look at them and also see what I may have on Muddiman.

Oct 6, 2026 - 6:15:54 AM

409 posts since 7/31/2012

quote:
Originally posted by ALCO

Hi Brian,
Please do not use anything other than friction pegs. It is entirely possible that you could find an original set, or a very similar set. As Chip said, don't use metal strings. If you click on Forums and then Groups, you'll find the George P. Matthew Research Group; make contact with people that are knowledgeable about Matthew's banjos. 

 


Smakula has some sets of vintage pegs (plain and screw-tensioned). They sometimes pop up on Ebay as well. 

Oct 6, 2026 - 6:20:30 AM

2215 posts since 4/25/2007

The original tuners would have been the same pattern beaded edge type as fitted to this banjo.


 

Oct 6, 2026 - 6:28:13 AM

3133 posts since 1/4/2009

So this banjo was made by George Muddiman, as the patent on the rim states, star trademark sold for different manufacturers.

Oct 6, 2026 - 8:45:54 AM

EEB

UK

432 posts since 12/2/2025

quote:
Originally posted by lapsteel

What is printed on the back of the peghead? Would you take a closeup photo of it please?
Thank you for your consideration.


It is too small too see clearly from this photo. Enlarging that section, my first instinct was that it's Hindi script i.e. Indian. Not that I read Hindi, just from the characteristic shapes of the lettering. But the enlargement is very blurry.

A sharp detail photo would be helpful.

Edited by - EEB on 10/06/2026 08:50:36

Oct 6, 2026 - 9:06:34 AM

EEB

UK

432 posts since 12/2/2025

Published Dec. 22, 1893

New Patents

Patents Sealed

No. 14,285 - J. G. Muddiman, of Ship Street, Cubitt Town, London, for an invention of “Improvements in banjoes.”

Oct 6, 2026 - 9:09:44 AM

EEB

UK

432 posts since 12/2/2025

The Matthew manufactory was in Birmingham. Another relationship to investigate…

Oct 6, 2026 - 9:14:26 AM
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ALCO

UK

92 posts since 11/30/2023

Oct 6, 2026 - 10:28:50 AM
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2215 posts since 4/25/2007

quote:
Originally posted by EEB
quote:
Originally posted by lapsteel

What is printed on the back of the peghead? Would you take a closeup photo of it please?
Thank you for your consideration.


It is too small too see clearly from this photo. Enlarging that section, my first instinct was that it's Hindi script i.e. Indian. Not that I read Hindi, just from the characteristic shapes of the lettering. But the enlargement is very blurry.

A sharp detail photo would be helpful.


Registered.

Oct 6, 2026 - 10:30:11 AM

2215 posts since 4/25/2007

quote:
Originally posted by EEB

Published Dec. 22, 1893

New Patents

Patents Sealed

No. 14,285 - J. G. Muddiman, of Ship Street, Cubitt Town, London, for an invention of “Improvements in banjoes.”


Excellent. Thanks Mike. 

Oct 6, 2026 - 10:36:08 AM
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2215 posts since 4/25/2007

quote:
Originally posted by ALCO

This post from 2014

banjohangout.org/archive/296158


Well found Ian. Looks like 26 on that one with a simpler pattern neck. So likely separate numbering system by Matthew on these. 

Oct 7, 2026 - 1:19:51 AM

2215 posts since 4/25/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Stephen John Prior
quote:
Originally posted by ALCO

This post from 2014

banjohangout.org/archive/296158


Well found Ian. Looks like 26 on that one with a simpler pattern neck. So likely separate numbering system by Matthew on these. 


Also we now know that Matthew made at least 74 of them. Sadly I can't make out the number on the photo Jim sent me. 

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