Willie's timing is that of a man who wants to get the singing out of the way of playing the guitar as soon as possible.
I like his work with Billy Strings.

He sings out of time by choice as have other singers who have messed around with timing in the middle,but end up finishing right on the money just to prove they weren't lost.

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Originally posted by steve davis

Playing one type of music for the most part doesn't automatically lock out the others,

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I think it does. You have to learn to fit in with others. Learning to fit in happens naturally for some. I think what Chuck is alluding to is that some people don't realize that they have to change and just keep battering on anyway. 

The people I play with (that's all I know for sure) know the differences in style because they can hear those differences and know where to find them in their instruments.
I guess it has a lot to do with who you play with.

If you can hear the differences what's stopping anyone else.

That’s why you’re a good player!! I also can move around in different circles. Unfortunately for some they just don’t get it, thankfully there aren’t too many of them. Occasionally they show up at our jams and usually everyone is polite to them. So they’re unlikely to change. It takes all types.

I like to say "Jams are like a box of chocolates...you never know what you're going to get."
Such is life.

I’m the grouchy type when it comes to players who don’t play in time,, drives me bonkers.

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Originally posted by chuckv97

I’m the grouchy type when it comes to players who don’t play in time,, drives me bonkers.

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Not talking about good old country or bluegrass, but someone coming from something like 'funk.' It seems like 'Boom-chuck' is too easy for some. Messing with a bass has taught me, don't  go past the 1 until you get it down solid. Then proceed to the 1-5, but do not forsake the beat. To hear a walking bass when the drums or rhythm guitar are 180 degrees off. Uguh!

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Originally posted by martyjoe

That’s why you’re a good player!! I also can move around in different circles. Unfortunately for some they just don’t get it, thankfully there aren’t too many of them. Occasionally they show up at our jams and usually everyone is polite to them. So they’re unlikely to change. It takes all types.

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Geez Marty, ^^ sounds like  they're unlikely to change because of the politeness shown them.  [I see an easy remedy.]  

I can only speak for one of the "some that just don't get it" .... in my experience, having a sound in one's head* doesn't necessarily mean that one can produce that sound on an instrument.   Maybe "it takes one to know one" gets short shrift.

["It takes all types" was one of the things my mammy tried to instill in her urchins.]

* not to be confused with hearing things/voices. 

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Edit: Sat what... boom chuck is too "easy"?!?!?  At last years MOBS campout a fellow meandered over to our campsite and "taught" me 3,2,5,1/4,2.5,1/boom chuck/boom chuck.  He  said I could use it to add a bit of variety to my monotonous 3,2,4,1/ 3,2.4.1/ etc./etc/etc.  I wrote it down in detail [so I could recall it when I got home] and I've been practicing it most every day, but so far haven't "figured out" how to incorporate it.* This year's fall camp out is next weekend .... IF he shows up I'm gonna press him for lesson #2 ... IF he feels I've made sufficient progress on #1. 

* but eventually I will.

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Originally posted by steve davis

Seems a very limiting way to think of other musicians.
Some players go seemlessly from bluegrass to country to jazz to Canadian or Irish fiddletunes because they have an understanding of the differences between those genres.

Playing one type of music for the most part doesn't automatically lock out the others,no more than learning a tune from tablature locks one into only being able to play it that one way.

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That was exactly my point Steve. 

No one said “automatically”. (still grouchy)

Owen, what are those numbers and commas and slashes?

Yeah I’m not getting what’s being put down here I’m afraid.

I don’t know that anybody is limiting their way of how they view any musicians? Nobody is saying that when a country guy bombs a bluegrass jam or vice versa that that makes said person an inferior musician.

I think all that is being said is that bluegrass (along with the other genres) has its own peculiar essence of timing…. No more no less. And there’s nothing at all limiting about understanding that. Just the way I’m seeing this conversation anyway!

Chuck, said or implied?  I'm guessing you're referring to my ^^ post .... where, some time before 1:41 p.m.,  I edited "automatically" to "necessarily."

Steve, 3,2,4,1 are the string numbers. The "/" indicates where I repeat the process.  I think it's some sort of modified inside-outside [or square?] roll?  But, my repertiore [cough, hack, coough] goes beyond that, I sometimes substitute in an up-pick on strings 1 and 2 together. 

Many folks would say or argue that Willie Nelson constantly sings out of time, in relation to the music. He also would pick a bit of a "lead" slightly out of time; either playing the lead notes ahead of, or behind, "the beat" as to where most folks would think it should be. However, that is one of the things that Willie is known for. His group, or band, knows this and anticipates it and "has it covered." To many, it's quite a frustrating thing... to others, they fully expect it! I suppose, when the tune comes around at the end of phrases or "sections," or however you want to express it - and the group is all together, then it works... even though it can certainly sound a bit "off" if you know what I mean!