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Hi, has anyone used a Hartford for clawhammer? I have one that has a bluegrass style pot. I thought about converting it to the open back style.
I had a Clawgrass that I liked and wondered if I could get this setup similarly in terms of playability. I could not find any specs on the Deering site about the differences between their bluegrass banjos and their high end open backs.
Thanks,
Michelle
Thanks Bill!
With the reso on, it sounds good to me. Not as much ring or overtones as my Nechville Moonshine, but good note separation and clarity which I think might be good in small bluegrass jam situations. I play clawgrass style fiddle tunes & songs.
Guess I should A-B against the Nechville before I take the journey. ??
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Originally posted by Pigeontown Banjo CoI've cut down flanges...including a Deering flange I had to make non-resonator versions of this. I like them very much!
Ooooh, awesome! Thank you!
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Originally posted by aaronobleMaybe you could try to trade with someone for a pop-off resonator model(?) That is to say, there is a version of the Hartford very much made for claw hammer
Thanks! I'm going to ask Deering how much a conversion kit is. It might be the less $ option. I got a pretty decent deal on this Hartford (used but like new). ??. If its pricey I will look at a trade.
Rusty and Bill Rogers I’m having a bit of a volume issue in small jams - even playing quietly and with a rag in the pot - a reso is sooo loud for a 4 or 5 player jam in someone’s kitchen ??
I do like reso for larger jams, for sure!
Just for fun, here is a quick A-B comparison Moonshine to Hartford, slower Cherokee Shuffle in G because I forgot to throw a capo on.
Hartford plays the first phrase of the A part and the B part. Moonshine plays the second part.
Moonshine always sounds a bit more nasal in tone to me. Interested what y’all hear tone-wise, other than I need to stop bending my strings so much.
Mahogany guitar on the backup.
Edited by - Sopris on 07/12/2026 13:14:40
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Originally posted by Bill RogersExactly. Leaving the reso on is fine. That’s your call. Cathy Barton played a resonator Ode her entire career.
Lynn Morris played an Ode D for her clawhammer tunes like Ol' Rip, Little Black Pony, etc. Sounded awesome.
The Hartfords with the pop off resonator are nice. It was a cool innovation that I'm surprised has not caught on more.
I've been playing an openback Deering Calico with a Hartford tone ring for something like 36 years now. (It came with a pop on resonator, which I've used for maybe two hours in the last 36 years; I use it as a wall hanging.) I've used this banjo for any and all types of playing: clawhammer, bluegrass, melodic, etc. It works fine for all of them. Played hard with picks it can keep up with any Mastertone, Stelling or Huber. Without picks it has a wonderful fat tone for clawhammer. Most recently I've been focusing on melodic style Celtic, English Country Dance, and some wonderful Shetland tunes, which work well with melodic style. The quick decay of each note is a big plus for much of what a Hartford tone ring can do.
N.B. John Hartford would sometimes use a low tuning on his banjos. Two or three halftones down, coupled with a wood tone ring, makes for a wonderful ambience. (Maybe use heavier strings for low tunings!)
No need to have an open back to play Claw hammer. It is a fiction that began with folk revivalists in the 1970s or 80s that one needs an open back to play Claw hammer. Uncle Dave Macon did not play an open back and played resonator banjos from the time that they were first available when he was a teenager until some point during WWII where his arthritis made it impossible for him to play an RB, so he had Gibson make him an identical banjo to one of the RB numbers with a dowel stick. When old time music revivalists in the 1950s and 1960 went into the South, they started telling traditional and show business country banjoists they were supposed to use open backs instead of resonators.
Almost all of the traditional Black banjo players from the South that old time banjo revivalists came upon in the 60s, 70s, and 80s had resonator banjos, and played clawhammer and 2 finger with them. Some had Gibson RBs, and others had Japanese Invasion banjos, and some had the cheaper brands,
When Deering offered to donate a banjo to the great Odell Thompson, he added a Deering to the Gibson RB he played regularly.
A guy name Hartford at time played clawhammer on Deering resonator banjos as well. I started out with the open back for old time idea about 30 years ago, but resonator banjo and be really sweet for old time claw hammer. You can use lighter strings and be more delicate.
Most of the old time banjo players who lived into the era where resonator banjos became available including masters of Clawhammer like Clarence Ashlkey got RBs,.
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Originally posted by calicoplayerI've been playing an openback Deering Calico with a Hartford tone ring for something like 36 years now. (It came with a pop on resonator, which I've used for maybe two hours in the last 36 years; I use it as a wall hanging.) I've used this banjo for any and all types of playing: clawhammer, bluegrass, melodic, etc. It works fine for all of them. Played hard with picks it can keep up with any Mastertone, Stelling or Huber. Without picks it has a wonderful fat tone for clawhammer. Most recently I've been focusing on melodic style Celtic, English Country Dance, and some wonderful Shetland tunes, which work well with melodic style. The quick decay of each note is a big plus for much of what a Hartford tone ring can do.
N.B. John Hartford would sometimes use a low tuning on his banjos. Two or three halftones down, coupled with a wood tone ring, makes for a wonderful ambience. (Maybe use heavier strings for low tunings!)
Thanks! Interesting setup! I think the quick decay is what I'm hearing. It sounds more like a mahogany guitar vs rosewood. It sounds really sweet on fiddle tunes. I bet its lovely on the tunes you are playing!
I tried low tuning 'Hartford' strings and they were good down to about Eb, which unfortunately is a little out of my vocal range. I was hoping they'd get to C# or D but they got pretty wonky. :). I'll probably try them again, though, since I have a backup set in my stash. ![]()
I've seen plenty of cheap resonator banjos in the hands of local old-timers back in my youth... Sears, Harmonys, Kays, etc. etc. All with resonators
My first banjo was a bakelite Harmony Reso-Tone. At one point, I got the brilliant idea to remove the resonator. My Dad (a banjo-player himself) chewed me out and made me put it back on.
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