rinemb - Posted - 05/23/2024:  06:01:18

Pardon me if this subject has been up before, but I could not find any discussion? IF so, please direct me.



Here's the deal...

I record a song that I wrote (on the computer) with my vocals and cording along with a guitar or banjo. Now I need a band. Is there any AI software that can take that recording and add other instruments, like fiddle, piano, bass, harmony vocals, etc. that fits the song? A few years ago this may sound like fantasy, but not so much nowadays?

Brad

Edited by - rinemb on 05/23/2024 06:02:26

rinemb - Posted - 05/23/2024:  06:03:37

I know there is similar software to write a book that is guided by your own input. So..... why not the above? brad

KCJones - Posted - 05/23/2024:  07:15:07

I haven't heard of anything like that yet, but I'm sure one is in development.

I do know that there are techniques to get things like band in a box or even tabledit to do basic rhythm backup. But it's a manual process not automatic.

All that aside, I would never input my own IP or original art into an AI program. Those programs are built on blatant IP theft, no reason to make it easier for them.

stanleytone - Posted - 05/23/2024:  07:55:29

AI back up.... hmmmm wonder what Bill Monroe would think about that....

"That ain't no part o' nuthin...."

Edited by - stanleytone on 05/23/2024 07:58:19

Old Hickory - Posted - 05/23/2024:  08:20:31

Isn't the resulting backup track what Band-in-a-Box can produce? I realize that it may not be as fast or automatic as AI in that you have to input the chords. But it's my understanding that inputting the chords by letter name is close to all that's needed. That plus selecting the "real" or synthesized instruments. 

Of course, BIAB can be expensive.

I use iReal Pro to produce chord charts. Benefit is they're also playable as backing tracks and can be exported as midi files into other apps (such as TablEdit). But it doesn't have a strumming guitar sound. So the country and bluegrass backing tracks are borderline stupid sounding.

KCJones - Posted - 05/23/2024:  09:07:12

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Originally posted by stanleytone

AI back up.... hmmmm wonder what Bill Monroe would think about that....

"That ain't no part o' nuthin...."

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Bill who? Is that the guy who played backup mandolin for Scruggs? 

rinemb - Posted - 05/23/2024:  10:42:46

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Originally posted by stanleytone

AI back up.... hmmmm wonder what Bill Monroe would think about that....

"That ain't no part o' nuthin...."

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Bill probably would likely been stuck with fiddling for house parties alone until he put together a band?   I don't have a band.  But sometimes, I wonder how my stuff would sound - with a band!  

rinemb - Posted - 05/23/2024:  10:43:42

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Originally posted by KCJones

I haven't heard of anything like that yet, but I'm sure one is in development.



I do know that there are techniques to get things like band in a box or even tabledit to do basic rhythm backup. But it's a manual process not automatic.



All that aside, I would never input my own IP or original art into an AI program. Those programs are built on blatant IP theft, no reason to make it easier for them.

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You may have a good point, for sure.

stanleytone - Posted - 05/23/2024:  10:48:00

KC you got a belly laugh outta me on that one!

rinemb - Posted - 05/23/2024:  10:50:35

Well, I suppose nobody uses my old Fostex 4 track tape recorder, anymore?
And, at 71, I am confident I will not get rich with my songs, and I have not performed in public for many years. Brad

josephb - Posted - 05/23/2024:  10:56:22

youtu.be/EjkeTmHU2_s?si=AEu6QhZNVbL4Y9nu

rinemb - Posted - 05/23/2024:  17:26:59

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Originally posted by josephb

 

 

youtu.be/EjkeTmHU2_s?si=AEu6QhZNVbL4Y9nu

 

 

 

 

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Well that was educational, indeed,  thank you for sharing.

banjoak - Posted - 05/23/2024:  18:36:06

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Originally posted by rinemb

Well, I suppose nobody uses my old Fostex 4 track tape recorder, anymore?

And, at 71, I am confident I will not get rich with my songs, and I have not performed in public for many years. Brad

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I still have my old TEAC 3440; as well as the original Tascam Portastudio. Hard to find tape and it's got expensive.

As far as AI... depends on what expectations are.... I've been recently playing around with some of this AI music apps that's come out*; while a lot of the software is pretty surprising (kind of scary quickly it's getting good)... it probably not really the way to go for what you want. Not that some other apps can't analyze or comes up with stuff, but either it's gonna be a bit all over the place that have to sift thru to maybe get what want, or going to involve a lot of learning curve in how to tweak for better results.  Since already wrote lyrics, melody and you already understand music enough, can enter chord progression, tempo, rhythm... something like BIAB or RealTracks... gives you a lot more control over output, thus get you there faster.

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*While different than what after I made another topic about some of aspects of AI music, some free apps. If curious might play around with putting in your lyrics and prompt/tag style and such... see what pops out.

rinemb - Posted - 05/24/2024:  13:50:31

Banjoak,  Thanks for the information. Brad

Edited by - rinemb on 05/24/2024 13:50:56

rinemb - Posted - 05/24/2024:  13:54:22

Perhaps, I should just round up a few patient hired guns for a Brad Rine music night at my house. Cash for a couple of hours and all beer they can drink.

banjoak - Posted - 05/24/2024:  19:23:43

Yep, real humans are probably much better and efficient way to go.

That said it's 2024... and there are some alternatives. Still using humans, but with some of  technology; is pretty amazing.

First is home recording; has become very inexpensive and good bang for buck... to the point that many others have acquired a decent set-up. Internet makes that humans don't have to be in the same room or city or state; for multi-track recording.

As well social networks, like BHO... you can contact others, ask if would be interested in laying down some tracks (negotiate fee or free). You can also just open it up to others as open invite, to come up with something... just ask, see what takers... and sift thru what think works better.

Along that line another social media app good for collaboration is BandLab. It's free; as phone app; or just used through a browser (nothing to install). One aspect is it's a DAW, built in multi-track, not the greatest but works (and can use with other DAWs); essentially can invite other right in that app to put down additional tracks. It has a social media aspects as well... where not only set up band projects, private or invite only... can share with other BandLab community and open invite others to listen, collaborate... and a feature called forking which just creates a new project from your original (without affecting the original). I've been on some of these, from folks all around world. Here's an example just noodlin around with a songwriter 4000 miles away.

Here's another one noodling around just using the phone app and built in mic.

If interested in this BL thing, how it works,  sign up and I can try some simple project with you.

rinemb - Posted - 05/26/2024:  04:58:39

Banjoak, that is cool stuff there. I had no idea. I will check that out. Can one also add his own multiple tracks with the app. I have messed with some earlier computer programs for making my own multi-track recordings, but only a bit.
(BTW: we still have not done one of our bucket list trips, an Alaska visit, likely organized: train ride, smaller tour boat trip, etc. My wife’s grandparents lived there for several years in the 1950s, and she has a nostalgic desire to go. It has always been on my list as well, for the nature and historical aspects.). Brad

banjoak - Posted - 05/26/2024:  14:03:16

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Originally posted by rinemb

Banjoak, that is cool stuff there. I had no idea. I will check that out. Can one also add his own multiple tracks with the app. I have messed with some earlier computer programs for making my own multi-track recordings, but only a bit.

 

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BandLab is like other (like Audacity, GarageBand, StudioOne, Reaper...) can making multi-track recording; you can redo your tracks or add additional tracks at any point.  You can use it for just your own private projects, just your tracks; you make all the tracks; and you don't have to share it with anyone; to even listen to it.  It's simplicity, can make good intro to multi-track recording. (esp that can also just use phone, don't necessarily need USB mic or interface).