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JanetB - Posted - 06/03/2022: 09:30:04
First, a slight digression and explanation.
Sometimes good things come from not-good things. One example is that old-time jams, festivals, and contests were offered on-line during the pandemic. This was a true innovation which contributed to the needs of musicians to continue earning a living, and facilitated old-time community unity, as well as promoting a fun time for us porch pickers while still learning, performing, and playing with others. One such contest, the Mike Seeger Memorial Online Old Time Banjo Contest, was organized by Kathy Fink and Adam Hurt, with the first being so successful in 2021 that the second annual contest was offered in 2022.
I told myself that the stress of choosing and recording a piece for competition, and then preparing two more in the doubtful, but always hopeful, event that I’d make the finalists, was something I wouldn’t repeat. I would just enjoy watching the second one. But seeing my virtual banjo friends offering their entries inspired me the day of the contest to pay the $20 entry fee, good for a raffle ticket, too, and whip up a recording to enter. “Whipping up” took more time than expected, but I still entered and proceeded to watch and wait for the results days later, and in the meantime prepare two more songs, just in case they’d be needed…but they weren’t. (Consolation – I won a nice raffle prize packet from Pisgah Banjo Co.)
Now to the Tune of the Week. Each entry was wonderful and I was especially drawn to Jim Mullins playing a tune called Wolves in the Woods. I commented to Jim at the time it would make a good TOTW, and now here it is. Jim played simply and beautifully, making the finals, finishing 5th overall out of some 80 entries. Way to go, Jim! And I set about learning the tune and looking for its source.
One likely player to learn from is Howard Rains, seen here in a fiddle contest, hauntingly portraying Wolves in the Woods with Tricia Spencer in 2013 at the Rocky Mountain Old Time Music Festival. A most beautiful and oh-so-Irish-sounding version was recorded by a trio called Alfi, based in Dublin, Ireland. With Ryan McCauley on banjo and the addition of a whistle and uilleann pipes, it takes me back to my days of enjoying the Celtic music of the Chieftains. You can hear and download Alfi’s whole CD on Bandcamp and go to track #2: Alfi CD Wolves in the Woods (also the CD title). They claim the tune is traditional.
The oldest recorded source points to a Texas fiddler, Thomas Jefferson “Duck” Wootan (1882-1964). The Traditional Tune Archive has notation and some background information and Slippery Hill has a recording, played by Thomas Jefferson "Duck" Wootan in A modal and recorded in 1958 at Duck’s home near Junction, Texas. His grandson is the Austin, Texas fiddler Tim Wooten who plays his grandfather’s fiddle with the Duck Creek String Band. Fiddle Hangout had a thread on the tune in 2010, including this anecdote: Tim taught the tune to Howard Rains, but didn’t know where his grandfather learned it. We read that Betty Vornbrock used to live in Austin and had learned the tune from Tim, but neither knew the title. She later played the tune for WV fiddler Wilson Douglas and he stated the tune was familiar from his childhood and called it “Wolves in the Wood.’’
I reached out to Tim Wooten and am waiting for his further input on the tune and his grandfather. One question I had is the question of whether the title has "woods" or "wood."
Tab posted below is based on what I heard on Slippery Hill and from Jim Mullin’s contest entry, plus Alfi's. I used the tuning of fDGCD, sometimes called SRB -- one of the Cumberland Gap tunings -- though Jim tuned his banjo down a step. With its title you get the modal musical feel in the A part of roaming wolves in mysterious, mountainous woods, and then come lonesome howls, as in the B part. There is an unusual 7-measure A part. One would think you’d notice the irregular crookedness, as most fiddle tunes have eight measures in a part, but it plays smoothly and you may think nothing is amiss.
Examples have already been linked within the above discussion, but I’m hoping someone will provide more examples and information about this enchanting tune. Having Jim Mullins contest entry version would be fantastic!
Edited by - JanetB on 06/03/2022 13:08:25
banjered - Posted - 06/03/2022: 10:00:33
Very nice tune and played wonderfully! Wistful, haunting in a way...a good wolf tune! Thanks! banjered
carolynf - Posted - 06/03/2022: 10:15:33
One observation, in the Rains' fiddle version some of the intervals in the A part are similar to his "Cattle in the Canebreak", one reason why that song (and this one) grabs me.
Hay-on-Wye - Posted - 06/03/2022: 11:07:12
Lovely haunting tune Janet. Sounds like some of the stuff in the Child’s collection published a 100 years ago. In the ilk of Fair Margaret and sweet William
JanetB - Posted - 06/03/2022: 21:58:46
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Originally posted by carolynfOne observation, in the Rains' fiddle version some of the intervals in the A part are similar to his "Cattle in the Canebreak", one reason why that song (and this one) grabs me.
I hear what you mention, Carolyn -- quite interesting. I hadn't heard Cattle in the Canebrake like this before (and like it lots): Spencer and Rains Cattle in the Canebrake.
JanetB - Posted - 06/03/2022: 22:05:48
Happily, I heard back from Tim Wooten, grandson of Thomas Jefferson "Duck" Wooten. We learn lots from Tim's response, including anecdotes we may never have heard otherwise. Also, I see that Tim's musical contribution to old-time music is quite significant. I'm hoping to see the "Old Squealer's" photo and other photos Tim might share. Here is what he wrote:
?"All my family called my grandfather 'Papa Wootan'. He was a subsistence farmer and, of course, a fiddler. He got the nickname 'Duck' because when he was a little boy he scrambled on the ground for the ducks’ food at feeding time. He was a hungry boy! Around 1900 he traded a horse for the fiddle that I now play. He named it 'Old Squealer'. He played it at home every day and for local dances. I was only nine years old when he died but remember dancing to his fiddling with my cousins whenever we visited his home.
It was my father (A.B. 'Pat' Wooten) that had his name changed by the army in WWII. That’s why the spelling of my last name is different from that of my extended family. It was also my father that recorded him on a borrowed reel to reel recorder back in 1958. About eight or nine tunes were recorded. I’m sure these were only a fraction of his repertoire.
I have these recordings and have shared them with several other people. I shared them with Betty Vornbrock who is the person who got the name of the tune “Wolves in the Wood” from Wilson Douglas. Her band, the Reed Island Rounders, recorded a beautiful version of the tune on a CD also called 'Wolves in the Wood'. The spelling 'Wood' seems more correct to me.
My band, Double Eagle String Band, recorded it on the Young Fogies album. There are other recordings out there. Every fiddler has a slightly different take on it."
Thanks so much, Tim, for your rapid response. I'm still looking for links of your recording to share here, as well as the Reed Island Rounders.
mandobanjolibrarian - Posted - 06/04/2022: 10:49:58
What a great bit of history and background for this tune! Thanks to Janet for tracking it down, and to Tim for providing it. To clarify, Tim's band Double Eagle String Band did record this for The Young Fogies, Vol. 2 (Track 26 - "Wolves in the Woods").
I don't know if it's kosher to upload tracks -- besides one's own work -- to this forum, so I won't do so unless somebody assures me it's not problematic. But I will say that The Young Fogies -- both volumes one and two -- are great collections and well worth having! Volume 1 was available as .mp3 download through that big-online-vendor-that-shall-remain-nameless, but I had to buy the physical CD for Volume 2 -- at least back in February when I bought them.
The Reed Island Rounders album Wolves in the Wood (singular!) is available at the Rounders' web site, as are their other CDs -- a few of which I also saw at the aforementioned big-online-vendor.
Randy
Edited by - mandobanjolibrarian on 06/04/2022 11:03:05
JanetB - Posted - 06/04/2022: 16:33:43
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Originally posted by Hay-on-WyeLovely haunting tune Janet. Sounds like some of the stuff in the Child’s collection published a 100 years ago. In the ilk of Fair Margaret and sweet William
There is some similarity, Neill. I wouldn't be surprised if Wolves in the Woods is related to an older song across the sea, as you perceive. The one you mention does have similarity -- Lady Margaret and Sweet William.
Hay-on-Wye - Posted - 06/04/2022: 22:33:13
Hi Janet
I heard a British banjo player sing and play Lady Margaret years ago in Wolverhampton . As soon as I heard your lovely version of Wolves in the Wood it reminded me of the Pete Coe tune I heard then
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