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Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 08/19/2020:  03:18:41


My brother in law is Iranian. He has a tar, which is a carved wooden instrument a bit like a sitar, but with a skin head and a "floating" bridge like a banjo. It blew over in the wind, and broke. Ouch. He can't get it back to Iran to be fixed, so I've recommended a luthier over here in the UK. (Any one know of a tar maker over here?)
It has moveable gut frets which obviously will need setting up after the break. But in looking it up I came across this, and don't understand the microtonal notation for flats used. Any know what an upside down pointy flat symbol means? Is it a 1/4 step flat, or a 3/4 step flat?
My head hurts just thinking about it.....


RB-1 - Posted - 08/19/2020:  06:43:31


The Netherlands has a substantial community of Persian expats.



As a result, in the 1990-ies I've been to many concerts of touring, Persian, bands. Haven't seen any recently.



The picture you've posted looks like a setar to me, not a tar.



Here's a page on the tar.



In both pages there are good explanations about tuning, frets, etc.



 


Edited by - RB-1 on 08/19/2020 06:45:44

Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 08/19/2020:  07:32:30


quote:

Originally posted by RB-1

The Netherlands has a substantial community of Persian expats.



As a result, in the 1990-ies I've been to many concerts of touring, Persian, bands. Haven't seen any recently.



The picture you've posted looks like a setar to me, not a tar.



Here's a page on the tar.



In both pages there are good explanations about tuning, frets, etc.



 






Excellent, thanks! You're right about the setar in the image. This page will really be helpful. I wonder if there is a tar maker in NL?



All the best,



Andy

rcc56 - Posted - 08/19/2020:  08:24:54


It would seem that since the upside down flat symbol is applied to notes that are closer to the bridge than those with "conventional" flat symbols, they are "less flat" than the conventional flats. Since the picture of the neck does not appear to be drawn to an accurate scale, whether or not that works out to 1/4 tone or not can only be determined by examining and measuring an actual instrument.

250gibson - Posted - 08/19/2020:  09:13:42


It is called a Koron and is a 1/4 step flat.

Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 08/19/2020:  09:28:07


quote:

Originally posted by 250gibson

It is called a Koron and is a 1/4 step flat.






Brilliant, thanks!

RB-1 - Posted - 08/19/2020:  14:57:30


quote:

Originally posted by Andyrhydycreuau


I wonder if there is a tar maker in NL?

All the best,



Andy






Not that I know of, unfortunately.

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