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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Rickard Pisgah or Reiter


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erkclawbanjer - Posted - 04/21/2020:  06:10:11


Hey so here’s my dilemma, I’m looking for a new add to the my banjo collection. I’ve always had my eyes on pisgahs and Reiter. I’ve come across a few rickards banjos that have gotten my attention.

Here in Minnesota there’s not a lot of rickard or pisgahs so I’ve never played one, though I’ve played lots of reiters and love them. My main thing aside from tone is I’ve never played a banjo with a thicker neck (as far as depth and width) when I played bass guitar due to my medium hands I did not like thick necks at all. Bass necks are much bigger so I wonder if it would translate to a banjo. I understand rickard and Pisgah work with thicker necks and since I can’t play them it makes me cautious about buying one online. I currently play a Vega little wonder (deering) and enjoy the neck quite much. I would love some opinions on Pisgah and rickard necks and or comparisons.

-erik

DC5 - Posted - 04/21/2020:  09:08:44


Don't know how much this will help, but measuring as best I could with a caliper at the second fret my Yamaha bass measures around 13/16", my Deering Good time Classic measures just shy of 10/16" and my Rickard Dobson measures at around 15/16". The Rickard is about 1/8" thicker than the bass. I love my Rickard, and the thickness of the neck has not bothered me. In fact, I never noticed it when I was playing it at the store and comparing to Omes and some other banjos, they didn't have any Pisgahs For width, the Deering measures 1 3/8" at the second fret, and the Rickard 1 7/16", so the Rickard is 1/16" wider at the second fret. Cathy Fink played my banjo at Banjo Camp North 2 years ago and she liked it. She mentioned the thickness of the strings, but not the neck. My hands are not big, but my fingers are long. I buy Extra Large gloves just so the fingers fit.

mjt0229 - Posted - 04/21/2020:  10:35:29


I have a Pisgah Rambler Dobson and a Rickard Maple Ridge. The necks are similar but I think the Rickard is a little more “V” shaped and maybe a little deeper. I find both to be quite comfortable. To me, the Pisgah is more of a hot rod and the Rickard is more of a cruiser.



I have tried a couple of Reiters and liked them too - you probably can’t go wrong with any of them.



One important difference is that the Bart Reiter (I think) uses a 26.25” scale, which is too long for me. My banjos are all 25.5” or shorter.

 


Edited by - mjt0229 on 04/21/2020 10:35:43

erkclawbanjer - Posted - 04/21/2020:  11:29:38


Thanks guys this helped a bit. All in all it’s a bit of a hard decision for me being there’s no local pisgahs or rickards to play.

I’ve always enjoyed the feeling of Reiter necks and Vega necks. Just havnt has the chance to play on a thicker banjo neck yet.

Leslie R - Posted - 04/21/2020:  12:49:05


With the fingers you describe as long, you could probably do great with the Reiter, with it's longer scale.
You have already played several and indicate that you really liked them.
Any of those 3 you mentioned would be great banjos to have.
It's a tough world !

erkclawbanjer - Posted - 04/21/2020:  13:24:34


Well I don’t have long fingers but I do have long arms which makes me enjoy 26 inch scales. Plus all I’ve owned are 26 and playing bass guitar I’m used to wider fretting. It’s more about the depth and thickness of the neck. I enjoy the skin neck on my Vega . When playing bass all my bass guitars had not slot do beef to the necks. I havnt played many banjos with chunky necks

erkclawbanjer - Posted - 04/21/2020:  13:30:37


To correct my typo I meant I enjoy the slim neck on my Vega

mjt0229 - Posted - 04/21/2020:  13:38:00


quote:

Originally posted by erkclawbanjer

Well I don’t have long fingers but I do have long arms which makes me enjoy 26 inch scales. Plus all I’ve owned are 26 and playing bass guitar I’m used to wider fretting. It’s more about the depth and thickness of the neck. I enjoy the skin neck on my Vega . When playing bass all my bass guitars had not slot do beef to the necks. I havnt played many banjos with chunky necks






My primary instrument is the double bass, which generally ranges between 40" and 42", but I really prefer banjos on the shorter side. I have an A-scale that's in the range of 23" and my left hand loves it. Anyway, lots of people enjoy the longer scale, and the Reiter is probably the same scale length as your Vega - if you find that comfortable, you'll probably love it.

montanamike - Posted - 04/21/2020:  13:46:22


How about a day trip to Spruce Tree in Madison? Its been a few years since I was there but I think they carried a few options of each.

erkclawbanjer - Posted - 04/21/2020:  15:10:26


I think that’s a good plan.

I called spruce tree to see if I am able to come into the shop with this shelter in place thing with all the covid madness and I’m unable to at the current moment. I’m gonna keep my eyes on the news since they said their shop has a possibility of opening next week.

I wanna try the different banjos but I guess bart Reiter is retiring this year so that urges me to want one of his even more. By the way you guys have been helpful thank you

mjt0229 - Posted - 04/21/2020:  15:25:21


I have been to Spruce Tree in the past (I have family in Madison) - they were really nice and tolerated my sitting around for an hour or so playing all their banjos. Hope you can go check them out! Good luck. You're looking at all really nice banjos so you probably won't go wrong no matter what...

ceemonster - Posted - 04/21/2020:  21:53:58


Is it official\confirmed that Bart Reiter is retiring in 2020? I'm out of the loop on that one.

erkclawbanjer - Posted - 04/23/2020:  18:44:18


Owner of my local shop was telling me today Reiter May retire pretty soon because if this whole covid thing.

None the less I went with the Reiter. Just got a bart Reiter special today and am in love

erkclawbanjer - Posted - 04/23/2020:  20:12:11


 Mquote:

Originally posted by ceemonster

Is it official\confirmed that Bart Reiter is retiring in 2020? I'm out of the loop on that one.






 The owner of my local shop knows him well. He said Bart’s been talking about retiring the last few years but plans for this being his last year. He’s been Slowing down supposedly with this whole covid thing. 

DC5 - Posted - 04/24/2020:  04:56:33


Congratulations, Enjoy your new banjo.

gratefulbiker - Posted - 04/24/2020:  10:03:20


Congrats on the Reiter. I would have loved to have sold you the Rickard, but glad you found something you like. Enjoy the heck out of it and play it often.

ceemonster - Posted - 04/25/2020:  01:09:37


I think the Reiter brass hoop banjos really get you there to that old-school "County Clawhammer" sound, be it Round Peak, West Virginia Hammond Familyish, etc.  I have two 12-inches, one in mahogany and one in walnut, and love them.


Edited by - ceemonster on 04/25/2020 01:11:12

rkdjones - Posted - 04/28/2020:  11:38:51


I've been going around and around on the neck profile and "proper" hand position (is there anything proper with regards to the 5-string?). It's all harder to figure out what is going to work for me with local shops closed. For those of you who prefer slim necks (width and/or depth) do you play with your thumb pad toward the back of the neck? And do those of you who prefer fat necks tend to cradle the neck like a guitar neck? Robert

htb - Posted - 04/29/2020:  06:19:39


I have several banjos with different neck profiles. Thinnest of the lot is a 1913 tubaphone, and I play using a 'violin' hold (cradle between the thumb and 1st finger). I also have a pisgah, and really like the neck shape there - it's a soft "v" but not as deep or sharp as the tubaphone, and it's a bit wider. Same hold on the neck. I also had a enoch tradesman that felt more like the tubaphone neck, and I really liked that one too. Short answer to your question, is I have my thumb sticking up a bit from the violin cradle position, and that seems to work just fine for me.

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