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CEParagon124 - Posted - 12/11/2019:  19:22:57


ebay.com/itm/5-String-Banjo-Th...wqCtd8MI0



 



Charlie Noyes


Edited by - Bill Rogers on 12/11/2019 22:10:49

Stephen John Prior - Posted - 12/12/2019:  00:50:40


Super cool.

banjonz - Posted - 12/12/2019:  10:40:18


That is nice.

Joel Hooks - Posted - 12/12/2019:  10:44:06


So J. A. Turner was getting private label banjos from CE who was getting banjos from Abbot?


Edited by - Joel Hooks on 12/12/2019 10:45:27

Half Barbaric Twanger - Posted - 12/12/2019:  11:10:58


It's interesting that the screws for the tuners are hexagonal, so key for the tensioners can also adjust the tuners. Clever idea!

Stephen John Prior - Posted - 12/12/2019:  12:35:48


quote:

Originally posted by Joel Hooks

So J. A. Turner was getting private label banjos from CE who was getting banjos from Abbot?






I think JAT banjos were being made by a number of makers Joel but I've not see one made by Essex.

Parker135 - Posted - 12/12/2019:  13:56:26


Is the fifth string tuner installation typical? The neck has such nice flowing lines, interrupted by an abrupt saw cut, or so it appears.


Edited by - Parker135 on 12/12/2019 13:57:09

Joel Hooks - Posted - 12/12/2019:  14:07:44


quote:

Originally posted by Stephen John Prior

quote:

Originally posted by Joel Hooks

So J. A. Turner was getting private label banjos from CE who was getting banjos from Abbot?






I think JAT banjos were being made by a number of makers Joel but I've not see one made by Essex.






I was just commenting on the description of the auction.  I'd like to get a better look at the rim-- I love these English clad rims.  Dare I say that they are better than US made clad rims???



I am glad he got the date right.  The professional tailpiece puts it after 1920 but many people tend to give these an earlier date.  Once we are able to fill in that 1920 to 1925 gap in the BMGs on the classic banjo site we will know the year when that tailpeice was introduced.



Aside from the topic, Steve, that Metal Hoop Special with the tailpiece you supplied is one of my regular rotation three.  It has found a home where it gets plenty of attention. 



 

banjonz - Posted - 12/12/2019:  16:20:17


I am restoring an old JAT and it looks nothing like that. It is difficult to see how the 5th peg sits in the hole. Most British made 5th string pegs have a substantial lower brass fitting with a fin. If the peg breaks it is a pig of a job to extract it. I have one just recently.

Stephen John Prior - Posted - 12/13/2019:  00:34:50


quote:

Originally posted by Joel Hooks

quote:

Originally posted by Stephen John Prior

quote:

Originally posted by Joel Hooks

So J. A. Turner was getting private label banjos from CE who was getting banjos from Abbot?






I think JAT banjos were being made by a number of makers Joel but I've not see one made by Essex.






I was just commenting on the description of the auction.  I'd like to get a better look at the rim-- I love these English clad rims.  Dare I say that they are better than US made clad rims???



I am glad he got the date right.  The professional tailpiece puts it after 1920 but many people tend to give these an earlier date.  Once we are able to fill in that 1920 to 1925 gap in the BMGs on the classic banjo site we will know the year when that tailpeice was introduced.



Aside from the topic, Steve, that Metal Hoop Special with the tailpiece you supplied is one of my regular rotation three.  It has found a home where it gets plenty of attention. 



 




I'm with you. Sellers descriptions on Ebay can sometimes be more than a touch misinformed. Which in turn can cause misinformation.



JAT banjos were some of the best of the British. But can be pretty speculative to identify the maker.



I thought that Special of yours was pretty special and it's found an appreciative owner. Excellent.

kiteflyer - Posted - 12/13/2019:  00:56:18


It looks very much like a Cammeyer " New Era" to me with that deep scalloped bezel, but with simpler inlays, the C. E. tailpiece and the tuners may have been added.
As has all ready been discussed JAT was a musical instrument retailer and many of the banjos he sold under his own name came from other workshops, and with slight modifications were sold under his own brand names.

Stephen John Prior - Posted - 12/13/2019:  02:47:53


quote:

Originally posted by kiteflyer

It looks very much like a Cammeyer " New Era" to me with that deep scalloped bezel, but with simpler inlays, the C. E. tailpiece and the tuners may have been added.

As has all ready been discussed JAT was a musical instrument retailer and many of the banjos he sold under his own name came from other workshops, and with slight modifications were sold under his own brand names.






I think it's probably an Abbott Cyril. They used the professional style tailpiece and scalloped tension hoop (bezel) on many of their banjos. 22 hook and the heel also appear Abbott pointers to me.....



I agree Cammeyer also made some particularly fine examples for JAT.


Edited by - Stephen John Prior on 12/13/2019 02:49:58

Stephen John Prior - Posted - 12/13/2019:  08:59:56


Unusual position name/initial plaque/shield.

banjowilly22 - Posted - 12/13/2019:  12:39:48


This has Sydney Young stamped all over it. he was Cammeyers maker and later John Alvey Turners. It was a Banjo listed in the JAT catalogue.
Keith

Stephen John Prior - Posted - 12/14/2019:  03:11:58


Here's the pot of a fancy maple necked Abbott I'm restoring plus the heel shape.

JAT also seemed to favour Rosewood necks. All mine have Rosewood necks, as is the example in the original post.




CEParagon124 - Posted - 12/18/2019:  07:14:08


The instrument sold for$446.59

Charlie

blindboybutler - Posted - 12/18/2019:  10:36:33


Hi All!

I bought this banjo today, I thought it looked pretty decent for the price. It's a bit of a mystery to me as to who made it. It does have an Essex look to it but I'm not an expert. As far as I am aware Essex did supply Turner with Banjos and Banjo parts but this may not necessarily be the case here - I agree that Ebay sellers often don't know s*** from shinola.

If there's anyone interested I can take some photos of it when it arrives. It looks like it could be a really good instrument with a little bit of love and some nylon strings for purely classic playing - sorry Clawhammerers!

banjowilly22 - Posted - 12/19/2019:  13:59:34


Hello Andrew, Congratulations, you have a very rare Banjo there.
like I have already said, this was made by Sydney Young, for JAT.
The Alvey was their Trade name for instruments, and I have an original
Catalogue for JAT which clearly shows this.
Keith
Ps. Let me have your email and I can send it to you.

Stephen John Prior - Posted - 12/20/2019:  00:36:40


quote:

Originally posted by blindboybutler

Hi All!



I bought this banjo today, I thought it looked pretty decent for the price. It's a bit of a mystery to me as to who made it. It does have an Essex look to it but I'm not an expert. As far as I am aware Essex did supply Turner with Banjos and Banjo parts but this may not necessarily be the case here - I agree that Ebay sellers often don't know s*** from shinola.



If there's anyone interested I can take some photos of it when it arrives. It looks like it could be a really good instrument with a little bit of love and some nylon strings for purely classic playing - sorry Clawhammerers!






Nice banjo congratulations. Essex didn't make for JAT. As has already been said Cammeyer along with others did.  

Stephen John Prior - Posted - 12/20/2019:  00:39:42


quote:

Originally posted by banjowilly22

Hello Andrew, Congratulations, you have a very rare Banjo there.

like I have already said, this was made by Sydney Young, for JAT.

The Alvey was their Trade name for instruments, and I have an original

Catalogue for JAT which clearly shows this.

Keith

Ps. Let me have your email and I can send it to you.






Hi Keith. I'd also interested in seeing the catalogue if you woudnt mind. I have a few very fine JAT's as you know.

blindboybutler - Posted - 12/20/2019:  00:52:04


Great I'd like to see the catalogue.

andrew_butler79@hotmail.com

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