Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/07/2016:  04:54:22

If anyone has questions, problems, answers about Tabledit software, please post it here so all information will be in one place. 

Edited by - Texasbanjo on 05/19/2016 05:12:33

trapdoor2 - Posted - 05/07/2016:  06:51:17

Good idea, Sherry. I'll start with some links to TablEdit's online manual, FAQ, etc.

The online manual: tabledit.com/help/english/index.shtml

The "hotkey" list: tabledit.com/help/english/hotkeys.shtml

FAQ and tutorials: tabledit.com/faq/index.shtml

TablEdit's Youtube page. Lots of examples, tutorials, etc.: youtube.com/user/TablatureEditor

kmwaters - Posted - 05/07/2016:  06:59:23

And here is the manual in pdf format for all. Good move Sherry.

Edited by - kmwaters on 05/07/2016 07:01:58

Tabledit Manual

Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/07/2016:  08:37:23

Thanks, but I can't take credit for it.  Ken started a topic on the possibility of a new forum for Tabledit and others chimed in and Janolov suggested maybe a sticky, and that I can do.  We'll see how much traffic this one gets and if it's enough, maybe Eric might consider a new forum.   We'll just have to wait and see.

kmwaters - Posted - 05/08/2016:  07:43:43

They come in bunches. Maybe has to do with when Tabledit updates their software version. Who knows?

kmwaters - Posted - 05/08/2016:  16:18:11

Maybe even a forum called Tablature Software in case there are issues with some of the lesser used programs too. And who knows - maybe another tab program is under development somewhere. 

F Elisha Eastes Jr - Posted - 05/09/2016:  02:31:23

I'm about to purchase TablEdit (I only have used the demo version) and I see it's compatible all the way back to Mac OS9

Are there any Mac people here who use TableEdit? I'm about to upgrade my hardware to MacPro 2010 5,1 running OSX Yosemite , but I have plenty of old Macs with OS 9.2.2 which was a very stable OS.

So...

I'm wondering if I should get the TablEdit version for OS 9 and just set up a dedicated machine just to do tab...? Are there any fundamental differences between the OS9 / OSX versions...?

Edited by - F Elisha Eastes Jr on 05/09/2016 02:32:16

Paul Roberts - Posted - 05/09/2016:  10:12:19

Help! I'm trying to figure out how to write a hammer-on/pull-off combination: right hand plucks the first string, left hand does a hammer from open to second fret, then pulls to open. 0-2-0. 

From the Note menu to the Special Effects menu there are two sections for combining a hammer-on with a pull-off but I haven't been able to get it to work. 

Tobus - Posted - 05/09/2016:  10:30:53

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Originally posted by Paul Roberts

 

Help! I'm trying to figure out how to write a hammer-on/pull-off combination: right hand plucks the first string, left hand does a hammer from open to second fret, then pulls to open. 0-2-0. 

From the Note menu to the Special Effects menu there are two sections for combining a hammer-on with a pull-off but I haven't been able to get it to work. 

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If there's any special combination function, I'm unaware of it.  I would just approach those as separate functions.  After you've tabbed the notes, you should be able to click on the first open note and hit the H key, then tab over to the 2 and hit the P key.  This should give you a hammer-on from the open string to the 2nd fret, then a pull-off from the 2nd fret back to the open string.

banjo_brad - Posted - 05/09/2016:  13:24:36

Enter the open note, then hit the 'H' key on your keyboard, move to the position for the hammer-on and enter the fret number. The hammer-on symbol will appear between the 2 notes.  Then, without moving the cursor, type 'P' on your keyboard, move to the note position and enter the open fret, the pull-off symbol will appear.

Paul Roberts - Posted - 05/09/2016:  14:12:51

I'm still not there. What do you mean tab over to the 2?

Tobus - Posted - 05/09/2016:  14:28:00

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Originally posted by Paul Roberts

 

I'm still not there. What do you mean tab over to the 2?

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Put your cursor on the 0 in the tablature for the first open note.  Hit "H" to make it hammer-on to the 2nd fret.  Then hit the "tab" key, which will move your cursor over to the next note (assuming you are currently set to the note duration of that note).

Paul Roberts - Posted - 05/09/2016:  17:38:24

Cool, I got it! Using your advice for the H and P, I was able to work it by going to the View menu and selecting scale to 1/32 notes, which gave me the space to sandwich it in. Cheers.

From Greylock to Bean Blossom - Posted - 05/09/2016:  20:52:03

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Originally posted by That Banjo Glossary Guy

 

I'm about to purchase TablEdit (I only have used the demo version) and I see it's compatible all the way back to Mac OS9

Are there any Mac people here who use TableEdit? I'm about to upgrade my hardware to MacPro 2010 5,1 running OSX Yosemite , but I have plenty of old Macs with OS 9.2.2 which was a very stable OS.

So...

I'm wondering if I should get the TablEdit version for OS 9 and just set up a dedicated machine just to do tab...? Are there any fundamental differences between the OS9 / OSX versions...?

 

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I am looking at going from the demo version to the purchase one. What benefits do you get when you upgrade.

Thanks,

ken

Frank, I did not notice that was you! new avitar and name. Good to hear from you again. how are you doing?

Edited by - From Greylock to Bean Blossom on 05/09/2016 20:53:52

F Elisha Eastes Jr - Posted - 05/10/2016:  00:41:52

Yes, 'tis me on a mission...

The demo version only allows you to save 16 measures (fine for short demos but not enough to tab any tune), and it's also watermarked when you print the tab. the full version removes those limitations.

I think I've answered my own question since posting it though. I'll just get the one version that will run on OSX and leave these old Macs alone...

Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/10/2016:  04:40:05

I had a member ask me if there was any way to just put chords in Tabledit and use it as a backup track.  I have no idea how to do that and have messed around with the TabView and the demo of Tabledit and so far have found no place to just put in chords. 

 I have no problem (so far) in typing in the tab, but haven't found where you put the chord notations.  Anyone know how to do that?  I'd like to help the person who asked for this info.

F Elisha Eastes Jr - Posted - 05/10/2016:  04:54:52

Wow, yes, I see I could sink my teeth into this topic. It's kind of getting me excited about buying TablEdit. My "new" used Mac arrives tomorrow. It'll take me some time to sift through years of work and move everything over to it. Bit it's gonna be what I use for the next few years.

Sherry, the few times I played around with the program to seemed to me that the way to accomplish what you're wanting is to stack the notes in TablEdit so they strike all at once, and then make them whole, or half notes. Or, once per beat (quarter notes). It would not emulate a guitar but it would give full chords over a measured duration and meter. A "poor man's" backing track I suppose? You could also apply the guitar sound to the playback... maybe a mandolin chop...

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Oops, I may have misunderstood your question. Maybe you mean chord diagrams above the tab...? I'm pretty sure all that's there... don't know how, yet...

Edited by - F Elisha Eastes Jr on 05/10/2016 04:58:47

Tobus - Posted - 05/10/2016:  05:33:35

Sherry, I use TablEdit for backup tracks all the time.  I will usually do a 5- or 6-part tune including mandolin/fiddle, banjo, guitar, bass, and often mandola as well.  I just add new modules as needed, change the instrument sound and tuning, then add each part.  Guitar chords are easy to add if you know how to play the guitar.  I just put in the bouncy rhythm, using brush strokes on the upbeats (highlight the chord notes and hit "B" to make it a brush stroke).  Once I get a measure tabbed out for a particular chord, I can copy/paste it everywhere I want that chord.  I always get my guitar and bass parts in first, then go and add the melody instruments.  Using the playback feature helps me get the melody part just like I want it.  I often will tweak the melody lines after listening to it repeatedly.  But when I want to play along with the tune and use it as a backing track, I just turn off the melody instruments so I only hear the guitar and bass and whatever else I want as a supporting instrument.  Then play along!

As for notating the chord names in tablature, use the Text Manager in the Edit menu.  Create a new one for each chord name you need (i.e. G, C, D, Em).  It will show you the list of text you have created.  You can choose whether to display the text above the tab, below the tab, etc.  Once you have these defined in the Text Manager, just highlight which chord name you want to insert, go into your tab and click where you want it to be, and choose Insert.  It will put a triangle in your tab as a marker, and will display that chord name where you told it to.  Keep in mind that the triangle marker actually resides in the tab, and cannot exist where you need a note/fret number to reside.  So you will either want to place it at your top string or bottom string, whichever one isn't being used at the moment.  The triangle will not show up when you print; it's just there in the program as a marker.  You can copy/paste the triangle marker everywhere else you want that chord name to be in the tune.  Then repeat with each chord name you've created.

These inserted text pieces do not affect the actual chords you've created for guitar, banjo, or other instruments.  So it's possible to accidentally insert the wrong chord name.  Again, they're just text.  They can say whatever you want them to say.  But it's a really quick and easy way to get chord names notated in the tab.

Edited by - Tobus on 05/10/2016 05:35:37

Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/10/2016:  10:22:01

Thanks for the answers, Frank and Tobin, I'll try both ideas and see what works or if it works for me.  

I already figured out that I could put tabbed notes in and use whole, half or quarter notes, but I really wanted no tab, just the chords and so far, I haven't figured out how to do that.

I'll try putting in the guitar part and the chords from the edit function and see if that works without putting in tab.  

banjo_brad - Posted - 05/10/2016:  11:42:09

There used to be a method of entering a one-line tab with note durations and showing chords over them.  I haven't used it in several years so will need to go hunting for that availability.  

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 05/10/2016:  12:40:06

here's a chord catalog that has about 70 chords ready to go

banjohangout.org/tab/browse.as...p;v=19861

banjo_brad - Posted - 05/10/2016:  18:06:56

I was thinking of the "Rythm Track" option in the instrument module.  I don't think that can be used with chords, but you might thing about a bass line based on the chords.

Tam_Zeb - Posted - 05/12/2016:  03:30:47

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Originally posted by That Banjo Glossary Guy

 

Yes, 'tis me on a mission...

The demo version only allows you to save 16 measures (fine for short demos but not enough to tab any tune), and it's also watermarked when you print the tab. the full version removes those limitations.

I think I've answered my own question since posting it though. I'll just get the one version that will run on OSX and leave these old Macs alone...

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Hi Frank

There's a lot of great feature on the Full version. You can add other instruments, Guitar, Bass, Mando, Fiddle (See other Hangout's for TABs. The Fiddle Hangout is an especially good resource) click track by using the Add Mode Option.

As well as learning to read, write and hear the TAB being played, you can use TabEdit  to practice your play along skills. Develop your speed by adjusting the relative speed from the Midi Drop Down Menu

monstertone - Posted - 05/18/2016:  11:31:26

I've been documenting my arrangements long hand in tablature for a very long time. I learned to read music before learning to read tablature. I would write my arrangements in cut (2/4) time,  four 1/16th note rolls & 1/32 note hammers &  pull offs, 1st & 2nd endings etc. So now I have tabledit & I'm pulling my hair out trying to get it to do what I want it do do. I was finally able to write an arrangement, complete with A & B parts, & 1st & 2nd  endings. Even figured out how to make the midi player play it like it's supposed to be played. But now I would like to embellish the arrangement by stretching out some of those one measure 1st & 2nd endings. Maybe even going so far as a complete variation resulting in a B1 & B2. I would think it to be a simple matter of copy & paste a few measures, then edit some of the notes. Worry about fixing the midi sequence later. Ha, life should be so simple.

 At my age, I'm beginning to place too much of a premium on time to spend hours doing what it used to take minutes to do. Are others experiencing difficulties working in this medium, or am I just too damn old to adapt?

janolov - Posted - 05/18/2016:  12:06:06

Well, I am still young and I have no problem with TablEdit. I think I can manage most of what I intend to do do. Don't forget to look in the manual (it is attached above) while you are making the tabs. . 

Old Hickory - Posted - 05/18/2016:  13:16:20

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Originally posted by Texasbanjo

 I already figured out that I could put tabbed notes in and use whole, half or quarter notes, but I really wanted no tab, just the chords and so far, I haven't figured out how to do that. I'll try putting in the guitar part and the chords from the edit function and see if that works without putting in tab.  

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If what you're looking for is the ability to enter a chord by name or letter only and have TablEdit play it as music, the answer is: I'm pretty sure TablEdit does not do that.

TablEdit only plays the notes you enter as tab or standard notation.

Band in a Box does what you're asking about.  You type in the chords, select the instruments and style, and you get a backing track.

Old Hickory - Posted - 05/18/2016:  13:18:19

By the way, the multiple and overlapping questions and answers is exactly why a "sticky" for TablEdit is not as good as a separate Forum where each question could be its own topic.

Rawhide Creek - Posted - 05/18/2016:  15:17:31

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Originally posted by Old Hickory

 

By the way, the multiple and overlapping questions and answers is exactly why a "sticky" for TablEdit is not as good as a separate Forum where each question could be its own topic.

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I hope Eric sees your comment, Ken.  I wholeheartedly agree.

janolov - Posted - 05/18/2016:  22:36:28

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Originally posted by Old Hickory

 

By the way, the multiple and overlapping questions and answers is exactly why a "sticky" for TablEdit is not as good as a separate Forum where each question could be its own topic.

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I think this sticky thing stinks. It does nor work when different questions are mixed. Another possibility can be to have the sticky more as an index of TablEdit questions where there are links to all TablEdit threads (and the TablEdit questions are posted as before in the Tab forum). A good example is the TOTW sticky in the Clawhammer and Old-time Styles Forum where there are links to TOTWs from 2008 and onwards (and on TOTW is added every week). 

Tam_Zeb - Posted - 05/19/2016:  04:48:57

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Originally posted by Old Hickory

 

By the way, the multiple and overlapping questions and answers is exactly why a "sticky" for TablEdit is not as good as a separate Forum where each question could be its own topic.

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Hi Ken

I couldn't agree more. After a while there will be hundreds of threads here. I do hope Eric sees fit to grant a dedicated Forum for TablEdit  

F Elisha Eastes Jr - Posted - 05/19/2016:  04:55:08

... and, if a separate forum were set-up for TablEdit, there's no real reason that forum couldn't be used to discuss other tab or music notation software, because each topic would be its own thread.

This quandary was pointed out by someone in the "suggestions" thread, but really, the separate forum would address that too. Queston about Finale? Start a new thread under the tab software forum.

So maybe instead of a new forum called "TableEdit Discussions" (or whatever) just call it "Tab Software Discussions" within which, I'll bet, the majority of the threads would be TableEdit anyway, but would open it up and not exclude anyone using other software. That way it's not tied to any one software brand... but still accomplish what's needed.

It's still a good idea IMHO.

Edited by - F Elisha Eastes Jr on 05/19/2016 04:56:37

Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/19/2016:  05:11:20

Okay, with me.  We'll "unstick" it and let it go to the bottom of the page.   It was an experiment and the consensus is:  it didn't work.

Old Hickory - Posted - 05/19/2016:  07:14:11

While I believe that a separate TablEdit or Tab Software forum is preferable to a sticky in the Tab Requests forum, I don't agree that a separate forum is actually necessary.

TablEdit and other tab or notation software is technology. We already have a Tech Talk forum where people ask questions about choosing and using technology, including recording devices, music editing software, computer setup, microphones, PA and pickups.  It seems to make total sense to me that people can simply post their TablEdit questions in Tech Talk.  It's not as active as some of the other forums and there are not so many TablEdit questions month-to-month, so TablEdit topics would be easy to spot.  If people posted TablEdit questions here in Tab Requests, a mod could move them to Tech Talk where they better belong.

To my mind, Tab Requests and Discussion is about actual tablature for songs: asking for tabs or perhaps asking how to read and interpret tabs.  I think the use of tab writing software fits better under Tech Talk.  But it's not really important to me.  If people prefer to discuss TablEdit here, makes no difference. I'm sure I can find TablEdit discussions wherever they end up.

janolov - Posted - 05/19/2016:  09:25:01

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Originally posted by Old Hickory

 

While I believe that a separate TablEdit or Tab Software forum is preferable to a sticky in the Tab Requests forum, I don't agree that a separate forum is actually necessary.

TablEdit and other tab or notation software is technology. We already have a Tech Talk forum where people ask questions about choosing and using technology, including recording devices, music editing software, computer setup, microphones, PA and pickups.  It seems to make total sense to me that people can simply post their TablEdit questions in Tech Talk.  It's not as active as some of the other forums and there are not so many TablEdit questions month-to-month, so TablEdit topics would be easy to spot.  If people posted TablEdit questions here in Tab Requests, a mod could move them to Tech Talk where they better belong.

To my mind, Tab Requests and Discussion is about actual tablature for songs: asking for tabs or perhaps asking how to read and interpret tabs.  I think the use of tab writing software fits better under Tech Talk.  But it's not really important to me.  If people prefer to discuss TablEdit here, makes no difference. I'm sure I can find TablEdit discussions wherever they end up.

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The current description of Tech Talk is "A new forum created to discuss equipment and techniques involved with audio/video recording and live stage sound.". I don't think that tab software discussion fits with that description.

monstertone - Posted - 05/19/2016:  09:56:29

How about a sub category of Tech Talk called Sound Reinforcement. Migrate all of the existing threads on sound reinforcement under that. Then another sub category of Tech Talk called Tab Talk & all the Tabledit threads under that? Much like the Playing the Banjo forum having Scruggs, Clawhammer, etc?

Edited by - monstertone on 05/19/2016 09:58:21