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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: TOTW (OT) 2/5/16 - Zinger


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LyleK - Posted - 02/05/2016:  11:32:21


391 tunes since the inception of the TOTW and  the tunes run the full gamut from "A" to .... 



"Y".  



Y?  I dunno', but it seems high time for a "Z" tune.  There are certainly a few such tunes, like "Zack Wheat's Piece" and "Zollie's Retreat," but I'm going with "Zinger."



"Zinger" is in A and is a three-part tune.  The ultimate source seems to be Bob Walters, so yes, it is a tune of note (intentional pun), both in quantity and quality.  You can hear Bob Walters playing the tune at: 



missourifiddling.bandcamp.com/track/zinger



Or youtube for Dwight Lamb:



 





 



Dwight Lamb and friends



 





Or Rafe and Clelia Stefanini (at about three minutes into the video, which starts with "Lady on the Green")



 





Zinger is on Charlie Walden's list of "100 Essential Missouri Fiddle Tunes" so it seems high time to add it to a list of "Essential Clawhammer Banjo Tunes."  That said, I don't play the tune well enough yet to venture making an *.mp3.  But maybe this week?  Tablature follows:



 



Edited by - LyleK on 02/05/2016 12:13:20



Zinger Tab

   

mojo_monk - Posted - 02/06/2016:  03:54:35


Great pick, Lyle! 



I occasionally have the opportunity to play this one at jams here in St. Louis, MO, but not as often as I would like to . The first time I ever played it was with Dwight Lamb while he was passing through St. Louis. He is still a heckuva fiddler for my money and knows a whole bunch of great tunes. 



I don't have an actual banjo version of this one worked up but I'll say that - as with 95% of the Missouri tunes I play - my accompaniment is nowhere near as notey as the fiddle melody.



Again, great pick. I'm interested to see what folks do with this one.



 



-Sean 


rudy - Posted - 02/06/2016:  08:11:28


Nice tune, Lyle!



I'm surprised there's time to spend on TOTW since you have your own "Young And Fretless" CD release party to attend to tonight!



facebook.com/events/1722011424701501/


Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 02/06/2016:  15:00:34


Lyle! Good on you!


JanetB - Posted - 02/06/2016:  19:43:24


Congrats on your CD, Lyle!  I appreciate having a Z tune for my Granny's Tab A-Z notebook.  Having recently got Dwight Lamb's "Joseph Won a Coated Fiddle" CD, I learned that Dwight and his father listened to Bob Walters' show on the radio out of Nebraska in the mid-40's.  In the 50's Dwight drove to Nebraska from Iowa just to locate Bob.  Dwight writes that Bob often said, "The latch string always hangs on the outside at our house" and that anybody was welcome there.  



I agree with Sean that the fiddle melody of Zinger is very notey.  This seems to be typical of many of the Midwestern tunes I've liked and if I were to play with a fiddle I'd be playing less of the notes, too, especially at fiddle speed.




Zinger (TOTW)

   

LyleK - Posted - 02/08/2016:  07:15:25


Janet: as always, excellent playing!



Sean: wow, jamming with Dwight Lamb.  That had to be memorable.



Randy: yep, busy weekend.  In addition to the CD release party on Saturday we played a contra dance Friday night (facebook.com/Urbana-Country-Da...59967491/).  No time to work on "Zinger" so far.


mojo_monk - Posted - 02/08/2016:  07:27:26


quote:

Originally posted by LyleK

Sean: wow, jamming with Dwight Lamb.  That had to be memorable.




 







Indeed. I've met him a few times but have only had one chance to actually pick with him. It was a great session full of monster musicians - and me blush. Congrats on the CD release, BTW.



And Janet, I'm pretty sure you nailed it. Nicely played!



 



-Sean




When Dwight Lamb passes through STL [2010]

   

bhniko - Posted - 02/08/2016:  08:44:26


Janet,

Your banjo sings so beautifully. Have to put this one up as one of my favorites of yours.


BANJOJUDY - Posted - 02/12/2016:  18:15:27


What a sweet, melodic tune, Lyle.  Thanks for continuing to contribute to Tune of The Week.



In the past, I've enjoyed playing Bob Walters Hornpipe and Old Melinda.  Now I can add this to my list of Bob Walters tunes.  I'm sure there are others, of course.



 



 



Edited by - BANJOJUDY on 02/12/2016 18:18:31

vrteach - Posted - 02/21/2016:  11:00:28


Zinger!



A challenging tune. The third part is enough to make one forget the first part, and the second part is enough to forget the third part. I worked on it this morning and did a recording to help me remember next time. I know that I have a chord that is consistently wrong.



Edited by - vrteach on 02/21/2016 11:01:59



Zinger (first try)

   

LyleK - Posted - 02/22/2016:  08:02:21


quote:


Originally posted by vrteach

 

Zinger!




A challenging tune. The third part is enough to make one forget the first part, and the second part is enough to forget the third part. I worked on it this morning and did a recording to help me remember next time. I know that I have a chord that is consistently wrong.







I think you're well on your way to having it nailed down.  As to a wrong chord, I'm not hearing that.  Given that there are "simply too many notes" to this tune, I imagine there are also a lot of possibilities on chords that would work.



I'm close to posting a video of my "Zinger," but first I have to record it.  And then I'm going to stretch the rules a bit (more what you call guidelines, than actual rules) and post it under a new topic.  The subject will be something along the lines of my (heretical) method for working-up fiddle tunes to play at dance tempos.


vrteach - Posted - 02/22/2016:  12:36:07


Well, "chord" was probably not the right word. There is a sequence of 3 or 4 notes that when I play Zinger (slowly) on the fiddle match what I hear from D. Lamb's version. But, my well-honed banjo synapses consistently translate them into something else. Probably that something else is compatible, but I'm not sure. I won't know until I play it with a fiddler. And maybe not then, we'll see.



 


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