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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: TOTW 3/27/15 Indian Eat a Woodpecker


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JanetB - Posted - 03/26/2015:  21:24:23


Chances are you haven’t heard this tune very much yet, but perhaps this thread will help promote Indian Eat a Woodpecker.  It’s one of several tunes about an Indian who feasted on a small game animal and also one whose title and related titles are mostly played by Kentucky fiddlers (e.g. The Indian and the Woodhen, Indian Ate the Woodchuck, Indian Eat the Woodchuck, and Indian Killed a Woodcock).  But this TOTW was recorded by a fiddler from Mississippi, so I dug deeper in its story.



When Strokestyle (Christine Breen) posted her band’s lively, pleasing version of banjohangout.org/myhang...ved=%20%20">Indian Ate a Woodcock I knew it was familiar and found it on a favorite CD -- Bigfoot’s “I Have a Bulldog.”  But the tune title was slightly different:  Indian Eat a Woodpecker.  After some research I’d have to say that Strokestyle’s title is more fitting, as woodcocks are known as gamebirds.  They have more of the stout look of a good meal than a taller, scrawnier woodpecker.  Another name for a woodcock is timberdoodle.  How’s that for a title:  Indian Ate a Timberdoodle?   (Here’s Kenny Baker’s cheerful, but different, tune called Indian Killed a Woodcock, which he says he got from his father.)   In the Milliner-Koken American Fiddle Tunes book and on Slippery Hill, this week’s TOTW is known as Indian Eat a Woodpecker.



The tune as Rhys Jones fiddles is another of his pleasing foot-tappers.  Rhys has become one of my favorite fiddlers.  His source was the Mississippi fiddler Stephen Benjamin Tucker (b. 1859), who recorded for the Mississippi Music Project in 1939 when he was 80 years old.  Nine of these twenty-four recordings were included in a 1954 LP called Great Big Yam Potatoes.  A copy of the LP on-line sells for $200.  The record was influential enough to inspire a festival called Great Big Yam Potatoes Old Time Music Gathering in Mississippi, still ongoing in May since 2008.  You can check it out on this website for Great Big Yam Potatoes festival



 



 I was able to find the album liner notes through a BHO discussion (downloadable PDF below, see page 17).  Stephen B. Tucker came from Collinsville, MS and learned fiddle as a 9-year old.   He used the same fiddle in 1939 for the recordings, bought at age 15 with his own whittled bone apron still on it.  As a boy he learned fiddling from his older brother -- a fiddler who had been in the Civil War – as well as other older fiddlers and neighbors.  This could explain how it was that a Mississippi boy learned a tune with a title associated more with Kentucky tunes.  Mr. Tucker’s recordings are considered valuable in that due to his age when recorded they have a direct link to the Civil War era. 



The liner notes by Tom Rankin and Greg Stanton are quite analytical, much as Allan Jabbour analyzed another tune by Tucker (Haste to the Wedding) in a Library of Congress compilation of fiddlers.  Sauber wrote Indian Eat the Woodpecker is “played in the key of C.  While this tune is familiar sounding, the melody is not a close kin to any published pieces. The coarse part, played primarily up on the bass strings, is similar to ‘Tom Wagoner,’  as played by K. C. Kartchner of Snowflake, Arizona, but certainly removed from the modern versions of ‘Texas Waggoner’ [VI 40145) as Eck Robertson recorded that tune. The fine part sounds similar to ‘Billy in the Low Ground,’ moving to the relative minor [Am] and being almost entirely played on the E string. A nice dance tune, the coarse strain consists of a single melodic phrase played twice. The only change is its ending, first on the dominant [G] and the second time on the tonic [C]. The melody of the fine is also only half the required length and repeats twice to complete the tune. Like many old-time fiddlers , Tucker chooses not to play each part four times to make a dance tune of standard measure; he instead shortens the fine part. The phrase structure thus is AAAABB.” 



Bigfoot's Indian Eat the Woodpecker resembles the original recording of Stephen Tucker's Indian Eat the Woodpecker , especially in the A part.  The B part differs in that there is the inuendo, as Sauber noted, of a minor chord, not evident in Bigfoot’s.  As a whole, I actually like Bigfoot’s better, but learned both versions.   For this MP3 I begin with that version and then include Stephen Tucker’s.  I’m playing in what is not a usual tuning for me of open C, gCGCE, and posted tab.  I also tried it in double C tuning.



If you do work on it, please share and let more of us enjoy this good tune. Tom Sauber has an article about Mississippi fiddling styles in the Great Big Yam Potatoes liner notes.  I’m hopeful to continue learning more about other Mississippi fiddlers.



Edited by - JanetB on 03/29/2015 17:43:39



Stephen B. Tucker


Great Big Yam Potatoes liner notes


Indian Eat a Woodpecker


Indian Eat a Woodpecker tab, open C

banjukebox - Posted - 03/26/2015:  23:14:56


Nice selection, and good information, Janet. This tune has been on my "To Learn" List ever since "I've got a Bulldog" came out. Now I'll have to move it to the top.
Thanks for posting.

Adam Kiesling - Posted - 03/27/2015:  07:01:38


That sounds great, Janet! I really enjoyed both your playing and your write-up.



Regarding the Great Big Yam Potatoes LP, you used to be able download it from the Times Ain't What They Used To Be blog. I'm not sure if the mediafire link is still active, though (it's blocked on my work computer). It's a great compilation, however, and well worth seeking out. That $200 price tag from an Amazon marketplace vendor is a load of hooey in my humble opinion. The median price for previously completed sales on the Discogs site is only $14, with a high price of $20. (I use Discogs to keep track of my LPs, and I've also found some great old-time LPs via their marketplace.)


Chris Keefer - Posted - 03/27/2015:  10:19:36


I really want to learn this song, and after going to that amazon link and hearing a sound clip of that sound clip from Bigfoot, I really want to learn it, but that sound clip was too short. Does anyone know where I can hear Bigfoot in its entirety online, way to broke to buy a new cd right now. Oh and I love that steven tucker fiddling thanks for bringing him to my attention, I was learning how to play it along with him doing it, had to tune my banjo way down.

ITACUD - Posted - 03/28/2015:  05:03:25


I love the way this sounds Janet, your playing is so clean and crisp.  I'm fairly new  to CH but I'm gonna give it a shot and try to learn it.



Kevin



Edited by - ITACUD on 03/28/2015 05:03:46

JanetB - Posted - 03/28/2015:  07:18:39


My iPhone managed -- without my permission -- to move, then delete the above attachments--photo, MP3, and PDFs for the liner notes and tabs. I'll re-post them tomorrow when I'm home again. Sorry!

Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 03/28/2015:  07:23:08


JB,



You must have one of those new self-censoring iPhones, version 7E I think.  Not yet in the stores around here.



Looking forward to seeing the restored files, but in the meantime thanks for a great lead on a fine tune,



Lew


JanetB - Posted - 03/30/2015:  06:25:56


I've restored the files above. Thanks for your patience and your good feedback. I'm still hoping to hear some other attempts.

Below I'm including a tab for the Bigfoot version in double C. The reason my MP3 uses open C is because the source recording for Stephen Tucker worked better that way, avoiding the 9th fret. If you were to play just Bigfoot's Indian Eat a Woodpecker this tab works fine. The fingering is shown for the B part.

Let me know if anyone wants the clawhammer tab for Stephen Tucker's source recording.

(BTW, Lew, my iphone is a bit antiquated and even messed me up trying to get a boarding pass. Luckily I got a seat on the plane where the banjo still fit in the overhead storage bin. And, as luck would have it, the folks next to me attend Portland bluegrass venues.)



Indian Eat a Woodpecker tab, double C

   

greenbrooms - Posted - 03/30/2015:  09:30:16


i've been lurking around the BHO forums for quite a while, but i thought it was finally time to show some appreciation for the TOTW series. this has made learning tunes SO much easier and more structured. instead of flipping through pages of songbooks or clicking through tabs playing a million charts a day, it makes so much more sense to just spend time on ONE tune and learn it inside out.

one of my favorite things about old-time music is the rich regional history that all the tunes are associated with, so the weekly write-ups and history lessons are a huge bonus!! thank you all, and i hope to eventually contribute some myself!

JanetB - Posted - 03/31/2015:  17:16:12


I'm with you, Kevin (greenbrooms)  -- glad you're speaking up. When I noticed many MP3 posts for Shoes and Stockings one week in 2012 I liked it and thought I'd learn it, too, and lo and behold, it was the TOTW. I've enjoyed this thread ever since. It's a way to explore favorite tunes and discover new ones. The Great Big Yam Potatoes album of Mississippi fiddlers containing this week's tune came from the 1939 recordings of a relatively unknown 80 year old fiddler, Stephen Tucker. For me this is a virtual treasure hunt and it's free.



Here's an index for all the Tune of the Weeks posted so far:  banjohangout.org/topic/125151/1 , including directions on how to volunteer.  I recommend it -- lots of fun learning and sharing!


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