CEParagon124 - Posted - 08/08/2014:  13:51:05

So, how does one successfully put a Nylgut 5th string on a Five Star  Planet 5th string tuner?

Thus far, I've broken two of the three in my possession.

I took my time, 2 1/2 days. I unwound and removed some excess string, about two to three inches.

Today, just as all five strings were actually approaching their respective tunings, the second 5th string broke.

I think the problem is the amount of string that ends up on the tuner shaft eventually brings it into contact with the metal surrounding the shaft and cuts it.

Any ideas or should I use something besides Nylgut in that position?

Any problem with mixing brands or composition?

Or should I just replace the tuner with an angled one?

Edited by - CEParagon124 on 08/08/2014 13:53:05

ClayTech - Posted - 08/08/2014:  14:05:46

When I put on Nylguts, I stretch them as tight as I can by hand before I begin winding. It saves a couple inches off the tuner peg. But if necessary I'll go back in and unwind them, pull them tight and wind again. If they're breaking then there's a sharp spot somewhere on your tuner. I took some very fine grit sandpaper and went around the edges of the tuner peg holes just to be safe. The only Nylgut I've ever had break was one that was binding in the nut, which had not been widened enough when I switched from steel strings. Is it possible that the string is getting cut on the pip?

Mumble Peg - Posted - 08/08/2014:  15:13:19

If you are talking about the one that has the planetary gear box on the side, then be advised that it is now branded Waverly. You are right: there is not enough room between the shaft and the enclosing tube. They are definitely not recommended for nylgut. Even with steel strings they are a PIA. Change to the angled shaft one.

CEParagon124 - Posted - 08/08/2014:  16:32:21

Thanks. That's pretty much what I thought I would need to do.

This tuner has been on my old Lyon & Healy since the mid-70's. It's marked Five Star Planet.

You are right about it being a PITA as it is very difficult to remove residual bits of string when changing.

I've tolerated it because it matches the other four.

I'll change it out for an angled nickel plated one and adapt my button to fit the new one.

Thanks for your help.

Charlie Noyes

mikehalloran - Posted - 08/09/2014:  09:08:57

>When I put on Nylguts, I stretch them as tight as I can by hand before I begin winding.<

Yep. 

If the string isn't up to pitch before it touches the collar, let it stretch a day, back off, pull tight again and bring to pitch. Keep doing so till it is up to pitch with a gap.

Bill Rogers - Posted - 08/09/2014:  10:04:30

Also see banjohangout.org/topic/289439