3 finger ninja - Posted - 05/30/2014:  06:32:30

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ninja, i don't live that far from you, would be happy to come pick you up, and we could roll downtown listening to hip-hop with the windows down! I could give you some of my (xanax,) we could spark a big fattty, hit some of the adult clubs, and then, i could show you how to make banjo blend into every form of music there is, even some of the stuff you just refuse to wrap your head around! But know this, i am the most understanding of all music and talent and ability YOU, OR ANBODY ELSE will meet, i don't just talk the talk, but i walk the walk and i consider old foggieism the biggest obstacle we as human beings have to overcome!

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Thanks man but I hear plenty of hip hop already in my hood (and  I do mean the hood),being from Cinci Im sure you know...I do chop along to it once in a while however..you cant help it when it gets deep down in your soul like that lol! I can wrap my head around it well enough, just dont really cared for rap...Ive always been a metal guy (headbanger) before I got into bluegrass...to each their own I guess. 

Now that you mentioned rap, the funny thing is that people I knew that liked crappy country music, also liked crappy rap music. Maybe thats just a fact of life we all have to get used to....some people really like crappy music.

Edited by - 3 finger ninja on 05/30/2014 06:49:28

3 finger ninja - Posted - 05/30/2014:  06:54:09

Tell me again why hip hop was brought up a thread about new country music being inferior to classic country music? smh

swamplunker - Posted - 05/30/2014:  07:26:28

I agree with Doconc. I don't have any records by Hank III, but what I've heard sounds closer to Hank I than ANYBODY. Good voice, plaintive but not whiny like generations of grown men in Bluegrass singing out of their vocal range in a failed attempt to copy Bill Monroe. I do have several records by Justin Townes Earle, and I think he has one of the best voices around, and his first album particularly has a "retro" country approach, "Its a Good Life from now on" stands up to any 50s-60s country song I can think of. I've heard all the whining about how modern country is too pop, too Rock and Roll, which I often agree with. If you think that, listen to J.T. Earle and Hank III, they're taking it back to an earlier time as was Gram Parsons in the early 70's, or Justins' namesake, Townes Van Zandt. I think the darkest period country ever went through was when Chet Atkins and Owen Bradley were running scared from rock and roll in the late 50s- early 60s, took out the drums and guitar, and had a choir, a pedal steel, and one lead voice. Truly boring stuff.

country frank - Posted - 05/30/2014:  08:47:52

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If you think that, listen to J.T. Earle and Hank III, they're taking it back to an earlier time as was Gram Parsons in the early 70's, or Justins' namesake, Townes Van Zandt. I think the darkest period country ever went through was when Chet Atkins and Owen Bradley were running scared from rock and roll in the late 50s- early 60s, took out the drums and guitar, and had a choir, a pedal steel, and one lead voice. Truly boring stuff.

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Gram is as guilty as anyone of producing truly boring material, and in spades......

I never really considered Townes as a country artists though, rather one of those guitar-wielding-introvert-troubadours so popular in the 70's.... Guess Leonard Cohen bears some responsibility for that too.

Jim Yates - Posted - 05/30/2014:  08:48:17

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Originally posted by 5 finger ninja

I guess my main gripe with the new "country music" is the overwhelming lack of musicianship. I like ALL music as long as it is good. It is sad to see musicianship itself taking a backseat to pre programmed "beats' and choreographed a--shaking while someone poses with a real instrument. Its sad to see real music die. That is why I listen to roots, blues, old time, bluegrass, jazz etc..because I like to hear real music.

As a side note, I think the lack of musical taste is learned behaviour....Little kids seem to be drawn to live music..it fascinates their young minds...then they grow up and are brainwashed to follow  whatever stupid trend they and their friends are being spoon fed that day...get in line and shake the booty like all the other sheeple.

ok....im done lol

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I don't own any Brad Paisley or Keith Urban records, but from what I have heard, I certainly wouldn't accuse them of "overwhelming lack of musicianship".

Here's what some of the younger musicians around here are playing these days.

youtube.com/watch?v=62mXUhN0uOot

Sean also does some great acoustic bluegrass flat pickin'

youtube.com/watch?v=c4sjmIAJXl0

Jimmy is older now, 23, but still playing guitar, mandolin, fiddle, clawhammer banjo and singing up a storm.

Edited by - Jim Yates on 05/30/2014 09:07:11

banjo bill-e - Posted - 05/30/2014:  09:06:19

Really good Country Music is still being made today, but you won't hear it on the radio. I recently got to spend a delightful afternoon with a Country star from the Sixties-----anyone remember Melba Montgomery? She has been off the radar for quite some time now, but as became clear, she never retired. She gave me her newest CD, and it's just killer. Great new songs played by a real country band (with a steel, Steve), and her voice, even in her 70s now, is pure magic. I was amazed, this is SO much better than what we hear on country radio. But she knows the score. That CD will never be on radio and she can only hope that one of the songs will catch the ear of the producer for some young starlet who might cover it. But probably not, as these songs deal with real life, with heartache and loss, not the fake party anthems of a mythical small-town life that never was.

AshleyY - Posted - 05/30/2014:  09:30:18

I, myself, am I 16-year-old girl and I have quite the disliking to Taylor Swift. Though, I also have a disliking towards 50s/60s country. I just don't go for the monotonous voices and guitars. I always thought they were lacking some instruments and could really use a banjo :) Anyhow, I'm surprised that no one has pointed out this very fact: country music's originality comes from its LYRICS. Or, at least, that's how I think of it anymore. I'm hearing too much of this new "bro-country" fad...songs featuring guys singing about trucks, beer, partying, and their "girl". I'd like to point out that some of the biggest culprits are Luke Bryan and Florida Georgia Line. Some of you are probably going "Who???" Haha, and that's fine! They're those guys that wear skinny jeans, earrings, and pocket chains ;) I have hope for guys like Josh Turner, Scotty McCreery, Alan Jackson, Zac Brown Band, and Easton Corbin. And if you're OK with the rougher lyrics (which I'm not into), like Hank III, check out Texas Country. Some radio apps (like Spotify) have it.

steve davis - Posted - 05/30/2014:  10:01:24

I like Dierks Bentley

Doconc - Posted - 05/30/2014:  10:08:46

Florida Georgia Line is really one of the worst bands that have come out in a long time.  I see absolutely nothing to like about their music.  Taylor Swift, eh, she seems like a relatively nice person and I think she's a pretty good songwriter.  I also have a 13 yo daughter who loves her so I'm a little biased.  She writes about silly things but she's young. Brad Paisley is a really good guitar player but I still don't really like his music.  Sounds too generic country to me. 

JTRoberts - Posted - 05/30/2014:  10:35:47

Country Music is white mans blues.

The rest is just posers and BS.

From Greylock to Bean Blossom - Posted - 05/30/2014:  12:22:22

If you want to hear some OUTSTANDING soul music, get the CD "Hank Williams Alone With His Guitar". You can really hear his voice and all it's nuances. It is tough. Great feeling.
ken

3 finger ninja - Posted - 05/30/2014:  12:28:15

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Originally posted by 5 finger ninja

I guess my main gripe with the new "country music" is the overwhelming lack of musicianship. I like ALL music as long as it is good. It is sad to see musicianship itself taking a backseat to pre programmed "beats' and choreographed a--shaking while someone poses with a real instrument. Its sad to see real music die. That is why I listen to roots, blues, old time, bluegrass, jazz etc..because I like to hear real music.

As a side note, I think the lack of musical taste is learned behaviour....Little kids seem to be drawn to live music..it fascinates their young minds...then they grow up and are brainwashed to follow  whatever stupid trend they and their friends are being spoon fed that day...get in line and shake the booty like all the other sheeple.

ok....im done lol

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I don't own any Brad Paisley or Keith Urban records, but from what I have heard, I certainly wouldn't accuse them of "overwhelming lack of musicianship".

Here's what some of the younger musicians around here are playing these days.

youtube.com/watch?v=62mXUhN0uOot

Sean also does some great acoustic bluegrass flat pickin'

youtube.com/watch?v=c4sjmIAJXl0

Jimmy is older now, 23, but still playing guitar, mandolin, fiddle, clawhammer banjo and singing up a storm.

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Dont know much about Keith, but I admit, Brad Paisley is one heck of a guitarist....

warpdrive - Posted - 05/30/2014:  12:33:29

some real good points made by one and all, as for me, and me alone, and my apologies for any stomped! on toes or sore feelings, as i have aged, i have mellowed, and i just chalk up what these younger kids are doing as just there generations way of expressing themselves, some of it is indeed a little hard to digest, but i really do try to find some good in all forms of music! i can remember a interview i think that bobby thompson gave once and how his melodic and chromatic playing was excepted when he first started using it, granted, that might be a stretch from hip-hop and rap, but i think you guys know what i mean! Few things that are new, and experimental and are a complete 180 from what we consider normal, are met with open arms!

ScratchJohnson - Posted - 05/30/2014:  14:44:49

I don't know, how many people have the average banjo player been able to play the Aggie War Hymn in front of?

That being said, I used to be a bit more pretentious about what was "good" and what was "bad", but in the end - if I can tab my foot to it, I really don't care. My grandpop loves to tell me the history of the banjo from the hills where he lived, and that history didn't include instruments that the average guy couldn't afford. Everything evolves 

ScratchJohnson - Posted - 05/30/2014:  14:47:23

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Country Music is white mans blues.



The rest is just posers and BS.

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Wouldn't White mans blues be inherently poserish and BS anyway? To quote Carlin "What do white people have to be blue about? Did they run out of Khakis at Banana Republic?"

Edited by - ScratchJohnson on 05/30/2014 14:53:26

ScratchJohnson - Posted - 05/30/2014:  14:50:22

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I have to take exception to that word 'hate'. It's a pretty evil word and I don't think we should ever hate music! Maybe 'strongly dislike' would be a better way of putting it.

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And I think political correctness is evil.

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Kind of off topic, but kinda not, but I don't think I thanked you for pointing me in the direction of Dave Evans!

JTRoberts - Posted - 05/30/2014:  15:30:48

ScratchJohnson:

"Wouldn't white mans blues be inherently poserish and BS anyway."

My quote was from Jimmy Rogers. Do you really want to call Jimmy Rogers a poser and a man of BS?

banjo bill-e - Posted - 05/30/2014:  15:50:34

"What do white people have to be blue about? Did they run out of Khakis at Banana Republic?"

If feeling blue, or any other emotion, was not universal to the human experience then there would be no music, literature, or art of any kind. People are people and every life has it's downs, even those who seem to have it made.

ScratchJohnson - Posted - 05/30/2014:  15:52:11

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ScratchJohnson:



"Wouldn't white mans blues be inherently poserish and BS anyway."



My quote was from Jimmy Rogers. Do you really want to call Jimmy Rogers a poser and a man of BS?



 

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When I think of the Blues and Jimmy Rogers, I don't think of a white guy :) Country music is country and the blues are the blues. 

ScratchJohnson - Posted - 05/30/2014:  15:52:57

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Originally posted by banjo bill-e

"What do white people have to be blue about? Did they run out of Khakis at Banana Republic?"



If feeling blue, or any other emotion, was not universal to the human experience then there would be no music, literature, or art of any kind. People are people and every life has it's downs, even those who seem to have it made.

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I apologize for the humor.

Jim Yates - Posted - 05/30/2014:  21:17:09

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Originally posted by bluenote23

I have to take exception to that word 'hate'. It's a pretty evil word and I don't think we should ever hate music! Maybe 'strongly dislike' would be a better way of putting it.

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And I think political correctness is evil.

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Let's not do away with PCness altogether.  Anything can be taken to extremes, but a certain amount of PCness is desirable for most folks.  I become very uncomfortable when I hear racial slurs or ethnic/misogynistic jokes.  I do think "person hole cover" is taking it too far, but I don't want to be around anyone who has decided to abandon political correctness altogether.

steve davis - Posted - 05/31/2014:  04:55:00

When I think of the blues I don't think in terms of race.
The blues are just life's struggles.

Getting knocked down and hopefully getting back up.

Hotrodtruck - Posted - 05/31/2014:  06:13:38

"Let's not do away with PCness altogether..... I become very uncomfortable when I hear racial slurs or ethnic/misogynistic jokes"

I don't think those things are PC, or even political. They are simply bad taste. Political Correctness is a way to suppress opposing political ideas. If we eliminate everything that makes someone uncomfortable, we won't have much of anything left. If we are to have free speech, we must tolerate ideas and words we may not choose for ourselves.

3 finger ninja - Posted - 05/31/2014:  07:43:47

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Originally posted by Hotrodtruck

"Let's not do away with PCness altogether..... I become very uncomfortable when I hear racial slurs or ethnic/misogynistic jokes"

I don't think those things are PC, or even political. They are simply bad taste. Political Correctness is a way to suppress opposing political ideas. If we eliminate everything that makes someone uncomfortable, we won't have much of anything left. If we are to have free speech, we must tolerate ideas and words we may not choose for ourselves.

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Thats right , even if it has bad taste. Freedom isn't always pretty.

Jim Yates - Posted - 05/31/2014:  08:34:54

While I realise that Wikipedia is not the be all and end all for definitions, I do think most folks think of a similar definition of political correctness when they hear the term.  Here's how Wiki defines political correctness:

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term that refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes"). These groups most prominently include those defined by gender, race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age and disability.

JTRoberts - Posted - 05/31/2014:  08:52:29

Political correctness is a reflection of the need to be controlled by others, or to control others.

Either you love freedom in all its sometimes ugly glory, or you like boot licking. This is the choice.

That is why performers like Hank 3 are so important. They show schizophrenic nature of our culture.

Lew H - Posted - 05/31/2014:  10:10:26

I thought this was about Hank One-Hundred-and-Eleven?!?!?

oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 05/31/2014:  10:34:49

I was playing Country Music in 1970 and there were two groups who called what was popular in Country at that time "Rock thinly disguised as Country". These were the Hank Williams crowd, and the Chet Atkins crowd. We did stuff from both and from Waylon Jennings too. That last got us dumped into the "Disguised Rock" category by the "purists."

The thing is, people were buying beer and dancin" so the club owner was happy, and we were making decent money playing in road houses no more than 10-20 miles from home. We got away with some Buffalo-Springfield and Byrds too. 

I think people who put their music into strict categories and will not allow any crossover are simply too paranoid about music to really like anything. By staying within a very small set of guidelines that can avoid ever having to think about the music. It is easier to collect, easier to anticipate. No surprises and an impressive record collection are their goals.

JTRoberts - Posted - 05/31/2014:  10:51:31

LewH:

Reread my last post. I tied it together with Hank 3. And ..........Please attempt to be respectful. His name is not Hank one hundred and eleven.

Oh, I understand now......you live in Illinois. When I was a resident of Wisconsin we used to say:

"Illinois, where everyone is ill or annoyed."

JTRoberts - Posted - 05/31/2014:  10:53:37

Oldwoodchuck:

" People who put their music into strict categories and will not allow crossover are simply too paranoid about music to really like anything."

Hmmmm, sounds a little like the OT music crowd.

Hotrodtruck - Posted - 05/31/2014:  11:39:48

"Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term that refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes"). These groups most prominently include those defined by gender, race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age and disability."

Gee, that doesn't leave much to talk about, does it? Typical expansion of a relatively simple definition. I guess the PC police can get you for about anything they deem unacceptable.... I guess that being a bluegrass fan makes me a part of a social group, so I can be protected from people who disparage bluegrass? Who do I call?

Edited by - Hotrodtruck on 05/31/2014 11:44:05

3 finger ninja - Posted - 05/31/2014:  11:50:59

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While I realise that Wikipedia is not the be all and end all for definitions, I do think most folks think of a similar definition of political correctness when they hear the term.  Here's how Wiki defines political correctness:

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term that refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes"). These groups most prominently include those defined by gender, race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age and disability.

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In other words, those "protected classes" are....get ready for it....anyone but a white protestant straight male who is not diabled....got to keep an eye on those good ol boys or the south might rise again lol! I better look out the  pc cops are watching lol!

Edited by - 3 finger ninja on 05/31/2014 11:56:21

banjo bill-e - Posted - 05/31/2014:  13:17:39

Exactly!

Jim Yates - Posted - 05/31/2014:  15:34:14

"Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term that refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes"). These groups most prominently include those defined by gender, race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age and disability."

As I said in a previous post, I do realise that PCness can be taken to extremes and are annoying when they are, but we do need to be somewhat PC to get along with most folks if we are to accept Wiki's definition.  For instance:

gender Avoid the "B" word and similar words.

race Avoid the "N" word and similar words.

religion Avoid the "K" word and similar words.

ethnicity Avoid the "P" word ...

sexual orientation Avoid the "F" word...

age Avoid the "G" word (geezer) 

disability Avoid the other "G" word

Of course names are not the only way of being politically incorrect.  Refusing to hire someone based on these criteria or refusing to live in a neighbourhood based on...

I'm assuming that these are not the things that some of you don't like about PCness.

oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 05/31/2014:  16:25:23

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Oldwoodchuck:



" People who put their music into strict categories and will not allow crossover are simply too paranoid about music to really like anything."



Hmmmm, sounds a little like the OT music crowd.

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And the Trad Bluegrass boys and the Classic Country folks, the Chicago Blues people, the Delta Blues people and all sorts of people. Going narrower and narrower is an all too consistent and natural effect of really liking something. Of course there are people who say that I waste my time and effort on _____________ music (pick the genre you think is the most pointless), and that I should specialize more. I've tried it but other things keep sneaking into it. 

In my earliest days performing I was playing Flamenco gigs with a small troup and doing solo folk material other nights in some of the same coffeehouses. Later people said there was too much Country in my Rock band and even later they thought there was too much Rock in my Country band. In neither case did they even notice the folk material I snuck into our sets or the Flamenco rolls I played on my electric guitar. My Sevillanas based on Walk Don't Run was a piece I could play almost everywhere.

JTRoberts - Posted - 05/31/2014:  18:46:03

Woodchuck:

Excellent! I expect you to come to my defense the next time I post something on the Clawhammer forum, and folks start screaming "That's not old time music."

Or the next time I post a thread like this on on the Bluegrass forum and folks start screaming "That's not bluegrass" or "This doesn't belong here."

From Greylock to Bean Blossom - Posted - 06/01/2014:  04:49:41

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Originally posted by Jim Yates

"Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term that refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes"). These groups most prominently include those defined by gender, race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age and disability."

As I said in a previous post, I do realise that PCness can be taken to extremes and are annoying when they are, but we do need to be somewhat PC to get along with most folks if we are to accept Wiki's definition.  For instance:

gender Avoid the "B" word and similar words.

race Avoid the "N" word and similar words.

religion Avoid the "K" word and similar words.

ethnicity Avoid the "P" word ...

sexual orientation Avoid the "F" word...

age Avoid the "G" word (geezer) 

disability Avoid the other "G" word

Of course names are not the only way of being politically incorrect.  Refusing to hire someone based on these criteria or refusing to live in a neighbourhood based on...

I'm assuming that these are not the things that some of you don't like about PCness.

 

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Jim,

IMO we are in much more danger when we start "enforcing language or ideas" (with ENFORCING being the key word) than we are with hearing the rash words of some jerk. Our society has always protected (until now) freedom of speech with the belief that if something was out in the open and talked about, then the truth would be found.

It scares me as to who will do the enforcing and set the standards.  Sugar and salt are being outlawed, maybe the banjo is next.

Also the term "PERCEIVED discrimination against PROTECTED CLASSES" causes me concern. With this PC mindset, when we start protecting one class, we disadvantage another class.

Sorry for my divergence from the thread. this is the last I will post on PC.

ken

Edited by - From Greylock to Bean Blossom on 06/01/2014 04:55:12

Lew H - Posted - 06/01/2014:  08:36:28

JT: I apologize if my remark on "Hank 111" was offensive or obtuse. Perhaps it was both. I intended neither. I've seen Hank 3 on the Marty Stewart show and do appreciate his music.

JTRoberts - Posted - 06/01/2014:  08:52:45

You're a good man Lew H. Apologies are a mark of character.

pick1936 - Posted - 06/01/2014:  14:44:57

No real  country  just  (KIDDIE  KOUNTRY)    I  do not  care for any  Hanks   other  than  the  first.   I like  the  older  music with  a  little  ragged  edge on  it.  Like  one  of  George  Jones  first  one's  ( I'm  Ragged  But  I.  Right.)..   This  whinny  junk  don't  move  Me.  When  Gene  Watson  and  Vern  Gosden  came  out  I  thought  They  were  a  little  off  center,  But  now  I like  them  both. to  bad  Vern  has  passed on.    Some  of  these  guitar  picker  today  are  trying  to  play  like  Roy  Buchanan,  They  can't  come  close.  fast  pickin  is  not  always  better,  just  fast.    like  these  two  clowns  that  have  been  around  awhile  one  plays guitar and  looks like  Jethro on  the  Beverly  Hill  billy's   The  other  one trys  to sing,  and  spins  His  Mike  stand   around, complete  Ignorance.  anyway   as  for  pure  great  singing  voice  ( Wynn  Stewart )  had  it  all,  I  miss  Him.  Another  Day,  Another  Dollar..

Nechville  In  Higginsville.

Lee  Kelso

 

ScratchJohnson - Posted - 06/01/2014:  17:20:54

Softening language is problematic in a descriptive way - clever words like disenfranchised sugar coat the real issues at hand. However, I find that often people cry political correctness because someone has told them, in one way or another, stop being an [ expletive ].

JTRoberts - Posted - 06/02/2014:  10:40:44

Before my thread fades into the sunset, I would like to thank everyone who participated. You made it interesting and fun.

Happy Trails,

JT Roberts

Fathand - Posted - 06/02/2014:  13:26:08

I never considered the Clawhammer and Old Time Styles forum to be about Clawhammer and the Old Time Music genre. I always thought it referred to Clawhammer and Old Time Banjo Styles or Techniques. Is someone trying to limit Old Time Styles and techniques to Old Time Music? We would  then have to ban most discussions of Pete Seeger, Grandpa Jones, Stringbean and Uncle Dave Macon who played Folk, Country, Bluegrass and Vaudeville amongst other categories all of them using Old Time techniques.

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Woodchuck:



Excellent! I expect you to come to my defense the next time I post something on the Clawhammer forum, and folks start screaming "That's not old time music."



Or the next time I post a thread like this on on the Bluegrass forum and folks start screaming "That's not bluegrass" or "This doesn't belong here."



 

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Fathand - Posted - 06/02/2014:  13:36:48

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I never considered the Clawhammer and Old Time Styles forum to be about Clawhammer and the Old Time Music genre. I always thought it referred to Clawhammer and Old Time Banjo Styles or Techniques. Is someone trying to limit Old Time Styles and techniques to Old Time Music? We would  then have to ban most discussions of Pete Seeger, Grandpa Jones, Stringbean and Uncle Dave Macon who played Folk, Country, Bluegrass and Vaudeville amongst other categories all of them using Old Time techniques.

Can someone start another thread to define what is real Old Time? I had heard it was pre-bluegrass but they don't seem to allow much singing even though there are thousands of old time ballads.  Around here it can mean George Jones and Merle Haggard or it might mean Carter Family or Jimmie Rodgers. It rarely means Fiddle Tunes, we call those Fiddle Tunes. If Old Time does refer to fiddle tunes around here then they are often different Fiddle tunes than the ones commonly heard in Appalachia.  Really I am not trying to start a fight but it gets confusing.

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Woodchuck:



Excellent! I expect you to come to my defense the next time I post something on the Clawhammer forum, and folks start screaming "That's not old time music."



Or the next time I post a thread like this on on the Bluegrass forum and folks start screaming "That's not bluegrass" or "This doesn't belong here."



 

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JTRoberts - Posted - 06/02/2014:  14:58:47

Fathand:

A double post, and I still don't understand your intent. If this a cryptic message?

Fathand - Posted - 06/03/2014:  06:19:58

Sorry bout the double post. not sure how that happened

3 finger ninja - Posted - 06/03/2014:  07:47:24

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Originally posted by 5 finger ninja

I guess my main gripe with the new "country music" is the overwhelming lack of musicianship. I like ALL music as long as it is good. It is sad to see musicianship itself taking a backseat to pre programmed "beats' and choreographed a--shaking while someone poses with a real instrument. Its sad to see real music die. That is why I listen to roots, blues, old time, bluegrass, jazz etc..because I like to hear real music.

As a side note, I think the lack of musical taste is learned behaviour....Little kids seem to be drawn to live music..it fascinates their young minds...then they grow up and are brainwashed to follow  whatever stupid trend they and their friends are being spoon fed that day...get in line and shake the booty like all the other sheeple.

ok....im done lol

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I don't own any Brad Paisley or Keith Urban records, but from what I have heard, I certainly wouldn't accuse them of "overwhelming lack of musicianship".

Here's what some of the younger musicians around here are playing these days.

youtube.com/watch?v=62mXUhN0uOot

Sean also does some great acoustic bluegrass flat pickin'

youtube.com/watch?v=c4sjmIAJXl0

Jimmy is older now, 23, but still playing guitar, mandolin, fiddle, clawhammer banjo and singing up a storm.

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Howdy Jim. That Sean Conway band is really good, I love those hot guitar licks as I am still and always will be a geetar player...but.... here where 'Im from we'd call it rockabilly, not country. As far as the other guy playing the Hank Sr. tune I'd consider him folk even though he's playing  a classic country song( that was written by tin pan alley artist Cliff Friend by the way). I doubt he'd go far with "new country" fans unless they were drunk standing around a bon fire with no radio. 

It always cracks me up when we start picking in someones back yard, there is always that one guy who wants to go grab a radio for us to "play along with" lmao!

3 finger ninja - Posted - 06/03/2014:  07:50:27

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Originally posted by ScratchJohnson

I don't know, how many people have the average banjo player been able to play the Aggie War Hymn in front of?

 

That being said, I used to be a bit more pretentious about what was "good" and what was "bad", but in the end - if I can tab my foot to it, I really don't care. My grandpop loves to tell me the history of the banjo from the hills where he lived, and that history didn't include instruments that the average guy couldn't afford. Everything evolves 

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Ben is awesome and I learn from him all the time...banjer, mandlin and geetar. He did however quit his gig with Ms. Swift to start a band with his sisters....dont blame him a bit lol!

spoonfed - Posted - 06/04/2014:  05:48:44

I just saw a pretty poor Hank Williams copyist singing a pretty poor "ghost riders in the sky " copy !