JanetB - Posted - 03/29/2014:  13:27:50

Over the last few years I've enjoyed arranging some Ed Haley's fiddle tunes for banjo.  With Adam Hurt's encouragement I'm finding myself listening to the blind Kentucky fiddler's tunes more carefully.  This is one of his recent "homework assignments."  I also listened to and was influenced by others who recorded this version of Lost Indian, in particular John Hartford and then Mac Benford.  As I recorded it I tried to imagine what it would be like for a real lost Indian and figured the title is also an allegory for any problem when you don't yet have the solution.

It's interesting that this is the third Lost Indian I've learned, all of them very different.  One came from Paul David Smith and the other from Doc Watson.  Hope you enjoy! 

Edited by - JanetB on 03/29/2014 14:22:53

Lost Indian

Lost Indian

Lost Indian

manomusic - Posted - 03/29/2014:  14:55:35

They all sound great Janet. Adam has me working on the Kyle Creed version of this tune at the moment.

bd - Posted - 03/29/2014:  15:00:07

I agree they're all good but the first one on the page is the real stand out for me.

JanetB - Posted - 03/29/2014:  15:14:42

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Originally posted by manomusic

They all sound great Janet. Adam has me working on the Kyle Creed version of this tune at the moment.

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I found that lesson very interesting.  We were working on the Galax lick at the time.  Kyle Creed's Lost Indian reminds me of Cherokee Shuffle, which together were a tune of the week a while back:  banjohangout.org/archive/253472  That's when I worked on the Doc Watson version I was most familiar with--the third MP3 above. 

JanetB - Posted - 03/29/2014:  15:16:57

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Originally posted by bd

I agree they're all good but the first one on the page is the real stand out for me.

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Thanks for listening to all of them, bd.  Here's the original Ed Haley recording I listened to.  He's remarkably powerful and smooth.  slippery-hill.com/calico/LostI...Haley.mp3

bd - Posted - 03/29/2014:  16:46:48

You're right, Janet. Great fiddling on that track.

rickhayes - Posted - 03/29/2014:  17:08:33

They're all good Janet.

Paul Roberts - Posted - 03/29/2014:  17:53:27

Very interesting. It sounds like your recorder is picking up higher octave harmonics which are quite present and provide an interesting effect, as though there's another instrument accompanying. Unless there is. Almost like a vague autoharp ambience.

JanetB - Posted - 03/29/2014:  18:23:36

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Originally posted by Paul Roberts

Very interesting. It sounds like your recorder is picking up higher octave harmonics which are quite present and provide an interesting effect, as though there's another instrument accompanying. Unless there is. Almost like a vague autoharp ambience.

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Paul, you're always perceptive, and have the best credentials in my book for hearing tones (in case anyone doesn't know, Paul produced Adam Hurt's excellent gourd banjo CD "Earth Tones"). 

After all my recording and posting was said and done I cleaned up only to find the extra towel I'd put behind my banjo head on the floor.  I recorded with only one stuffed towel and the sensitive whyte laydie tone ring reflected more tones than normal.  If you like the effect, it's serendipitous! 

guitarman8491 - Posted - 03/29/2014:  18:54:29

Janet..I like them all. You play each very nicely.

Denton - Posted - 03/30/2014:  00:28:08

Wonderful to hear the different ways to play it. The noting is great to listen to.
Each repeat was altered a bit and was very interesting.


That 3rd Ed Haley fiddle part that seems to me to be a measure or (two?) short. Would that be considered a vamp? Do you think he was trying to creat interest there or a different part to carry the song a little longer?
Maybe that is the part to portray the Lost Indian maybe? I don't know.

Keep up the great work.
Denton

Edited by - Denton on 03/30/2014 00:45:24

MrManners - Posted - 03/30/2014:  08:33:23

from ira ford's bookhttp://fiddlerwoman.com/id69.htm ---tom

JanetB - Posted - 03/30/2014:  09:30:17

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from ira ford's bookhttp://fiddlerwoman.com/id69.htm ---tom

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This fascinating story in Tom's link explains Denton's observation about the C part.  If I'd read that story prior to recording I'd have attempted a wailing, more strident 3rd part.  I can see you, Tom, doing one of your remarkable slide show videos to this tune!

Thanks, Tom, and also for the other kind comments about the tunes. Perhaps one more recording of Kyle Creed's version is in order, too.  Other Lost Indian recordings are welcome, too. 

Paul Roberts - Posted - 03/30/2014:  14:19:31

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Originally posted by Paul Roberts

Very interesting. It sounds like your recorder is picking up higher octave harmonics which are quite present and provide an interesting effect, as though there's another instrument accompanying. Unless there is. Almost like a vague autoharp ambience.

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Paul, you're always perceptive, and have the best credentials in my book for hearing tones (in case anyone doesn't know, Paul produced Adam Hurt's excellent gourd banjo CD "Earth Tones"). 

After all my recording and posting was said and done I cleaned up only to find the extra towel I'd put behind my banjo head on the floor.  I recorded with only one stuffed towel and the sensitive whyte laydie tone ring reflected more tones than normal.  If you like the effect, it's serendipitous! 

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Got any more of that syrupdiptiy?